Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:29 pm
Post subject: town name - Soniza, Russia? or Poland?
Searching for the town of Soniza, Russia? or Poland?
My grandfather was from the Romany/ Przytuly area . He listed this as his last place of residence on a document he filed out here in the united States.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:07 pm
Post subject: Re: town name
| adamsam wrote: | Searching for the town of Soniza, Russia? or Poland?
My grandfather was from the Romany/ Przytuly area . He listed this as his last place of residence on a document he filed out here in the united States. |
Adam,
Without a region it might be difficult.
We have one grouping Romany and Przytuly - 20 km distant, both North of Szczytno
Przytuły, szczycieński, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, Poland
Romany, Poland
But it could be another grouping (Romany Przytuły).
Concerning "Soniza" - I cannot find any village name starting with "Soni" or "Somi", there is only half a page here:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XV_cz.2/611
Do you have other hints, other names of places, to determine the area of Poland?
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:43 pm
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Unfortunatasly I don't have much more information other than it might be the
Lomza ? region
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:30 pm
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| adamsam wrote: | Unfortunatasly I don't have much more information other than it might be the
Lomza ? region |
Adam,
That is a hint.
I have another grouping (Romany, Przytuły), this one near Kolno.
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_IX/732
left top 3) Romany wies i folwark powiat kolnienski, gmina Kubra, parafia Romany
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_IX/240
3) powiat kolnienski, gmina Kubra, parafia Przytuły
pomiedzy Stawiskami a Radzilowem
On today's map:
Przytuły, Kolno, Poland
Romany, kolneński, Poland
Those two villages are less than 8 km distant.
Both are few kilometers distance East of Stawiski.
Stawiski is bigger that Romany or Przytuły
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stawiski
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stawiski
I imagine (I might be wrong) that your grandfather noted "Soniza" (or similar) for a village bigger than Romany or Przytuly, and close to them.
Not many villages in that area starting with letter "S", and I do not see how Stawiski could became Soniza.
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:38 am
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Thank you for the information, I will continue to persue.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:45 am
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| adamsam wrote: | Unfortunatasly I don't have much more information other than it might be the
Lomza ? region |
Hello Adam,
I was wondering if you could upload the portion of your grandfather's document where he lists his last place of residence in Poland. I assume it is handwritten. I have a feeling that "Soniza" may actually be Lomza. In Polish it is actually spelt Łomża, which handwritten may look like Soniza. In that case, Elzbieta is right on the money as Kolno County used to fall under the Łomża Voivodeship (before the re-distribution in the 90s when it became the Podlaskie Voivodeship), which includes the village of Romany. Przytuły is part of Łomża County, but it is only around 7kms away from Romany.
I wish you every success in your search,
Megan.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:53 am
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| megsiek86 wrote: | | adamsam wrote: | Unfortunatasly I don't have much more information other than it might be the
Lomza ? region |
Hello Adam,
I was wondering if you could upload the portion of your grandfather's document where he lists his last place of residence in Poland. I assume it is handwritten. I have a feeling that "Soniza" may actually be Lomza. In Polish it is actually spelt Łomża, which handwritten may look like Soniza. In that case, Elzbieta is right on the money as Kolno County used to fall under the Łomża Voivodeship (before the re-distribution in the 90s when it became the Podlaskie Voivodeship), which includes the village of Romany. Przytuły is part of Łomża County, but it is only around 7kms away from Romany.
I wish you every success in your search,
Megan. |
Megan, excellent!
Handwritten Łomża deciphered "Soniza". You found it.
Adam,
I noted you are looking for Samelko - there is a diacritic, Samełko,
Today's distribution of the name - 247 Samełko
http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/same%25C5%2582ko.html
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:59 am
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The document I have is written in English by a clerk in the records bureau at that time. My grandfather could niether read, write or speak english. He always signed his name with an "x" which was witnessed. His household spoke nothing but the Polish dialect their entire lives. As they say, here in the States, words were written as they sounded to the individual hearing them. This, Lomza, is the best lead I have had to date. I can't thank you enough for all your help.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:36 pm
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My grandfather talked of a pristine forest very near where he lived. The Russian nobility used it as a private hunting grounds and also, they(Russians) had estates there. Is or was that near Lomza? (circa1900).
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:42 pm
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| adamsam wrote: | | My grandfather talked of a pristine forest very near where he lived. The Russian nobility used it as a private hunting grounds and also, they(Russians) had estates there. Is or was that near Lomza? (circa1900). |
Adam,
Absolutely!
When you take Google maps, then search for
Łomża, Pologne
Przytuły, Kolno, Pologne
you will see to the East a huge forest Biebrza National Park
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biebrza_National_Park
The distance is circa 10 kilometers from Przytuly to this huge forest, it's very close.
Please note that Łomża city's coat of arms is a deer on the run
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81om%C5%BCa
In the old Polish geography book (end of XIX and beginning of XX century) Lomza is described profusely, including as a famous place for hunting
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_V/700
Best,
Elzbieta
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:51 am
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Thank you for the information. You people continue to amaze me with the quick answers and valuable information. The links will be printed out and added to the family "book". I am in the planning stages of a genealogy tour to Poland and can't wait to see this area as well as the Plock area where my Grandmother originated.
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