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Załuczne,Odrowąż -Podhalański Parish Records

mpalus — Sun, 13 Sep 2026 18:03:09 +0200

Author: mpalus

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2026 11:03 am

Hello, Sophia, Thank you for your response. I will be looking into the information you have provided. I have found a number of brith, marriage and death records in the 1890 to 1945 records for Załuczne. For example, the 1894 death of Jan Masnica, the father of Marcin Masnica; and, the 1896 marriage record of Tomasz Waligora and Sabina Masnica. I Knew Uncle Tomasz in the early 1950s. He lived a farm in Sobieski, Wisconsin with my Greatgrandparents, Wincenty Kaleciak and Aniela Masnica. She is a niece of the other Aniela and daughter of Marcin. I also have church records for the family in Chicago and Sobieski. It is very frustrating not to have the earlier records from Załuczne. When I first started my research I had Aunt Aniela born in 1867. Probably neither 1861 or 1867 is correct. I also started with Sabina Masnica as a sister of Marcin. But, it turns out she was the illegitimate daughter of Katarzyna Masnica, who had her baptized as Susana in the Slovakian RC Church in Orava, Slovakia in 1867 which was right across the border from Załuczne and now part of Nowy Targ, Poland. Martin

Polish Record Translation

Sophia — Sat, 12 Sep 2026 19:54:03 +0200

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2026 12:54 pm

marierpk wrote:

Sophia and Henry,

Again, thank you for your help with the translation. I have been trying to understand this branch of my father's family for several years. I still haven't figured out the "true" surname. The Lutherans list it as Insel or Inselis, the Catholics (sometimes in Latin, sometimes in Polish) as anything from Inzel to Idzelis to Insielis to Idzielis... Thank you again! Every little bit helps.

Best,
Marie

Hi Marie,

That's an interesting puzzle, trying to sort through variations on a surname to find the "true" one. Of course, there can be more than one that was true, if the name morphed over time. I'm sure that as you have looked at records, you have thought about which versions are just a matter of interpreting handwriting and which name endings have to be ignored because they are there for grammatical reasons in inflected languages. After all that, do you have a gut feeling about which one is the most probable?

I will just comment briefly on pronunciation. If you were to use German rules of pronunciation to say Insel it would sound very much like using Polish rules of pronunciation to say Inzel; you won't hear any difference between the "s" and the "z" (although you will hear a change in the "I"). You can click on the "listen" icon on google translate to hear how Insel is pronounced in German and you hear how much that "s" sounds like "z":

https://translate.google.com/?sl=de&tl=en&text=insel&op=translate

Sticking with Polish pronunciation, if you shift from Inzel to Idzel, there is a definite difference between the "n" and the "d" and if you go further still and add another "i" in there to make Idziel there is a bigger difference in that the "z" sound disappears altogether. The letter combination "dzi" in Polish sounds like an English "j." Here are the sounds of Polish Inzel, Idzel and Idziel:

https://translate.google.com/?sl=pl&tl=en&text=inzel%0A%0Aidzel%0A%0Aidziel&op=translate

As for names actually in use by Poles, one source does show Indziel and even Hendziel but these are incredibly rare. Hendzel appears more popular.

Just finding it interesting,
Sophia

Joseph Wachowiak B:Dec 1867 Where in Prussia?

skozewski — Sat, 12 Sep 2026 19:01:39 +0200

Author: skozewski

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2026 12:01 pm

What is the name of the village where Joseph Wachowiak was born in December of 1867? His spouse, Michalina Lemanska, was born on September 29, 1873 in Grocholin, Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Poland.

Thank you!

Russian records translations p.2

Henry Soszynski — Thu, 10 Sep 2026 12:38:42 +0200

Author: Henry Soszynski

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2026 5:38 am

marcelproust wrote:

Henry Soszynski wrote:

Greetings,
I would appreciate a full translation of the attached record, since it seems to be related to me in some way.

Kind regards.
Henry Soszynski

I am working on it.

Please cancel my request. I've done a bit more checking and it doesn't seem to be relevant to my research.

Kind regards,
Henry Soszynski

Cieszanow birth record

Sophia — Thu, 10 Sep 2026 00:49:20 +0200

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2026 5:49 pm

mtmtntop wrote:

still looking, and reviewed your response below for jaroslaw. i went to geneteka and entered maria uranin and found no records. can you direct me to where you saw records for uranin? . thank you for this help

Hi,

You didn't find records there because you included the name Maria in your search for Uranin records in Jaroslaw. If you look at the screenshots that I am attaching, you will see that I searched with only the surname Uranin. There are a few records for Katarzyna Uranin in Jaroslaw, whose married name was spelled by the indexers as Matujek and as Matrejek. If you do the search the same way that I did, you will see marriage and death records there also; my screen shot shows only the baptisms.

I am attaching a second screen shot, this time from Ukraine, for a Maria Kocur whose married name was Uranin.

I don't know how helpful either of these are to your research, but worth taking a look at anyway, right?

Best regards,
Sophia

Added note, 10 Sep: This same Katarzyna Uranin also shows up in Geneteka as Katarzyna Oranin. It may be helpful in your search to try substituting an O for the U as you continue looking for your family.

Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

Sophia — Wed, 02 Sep 2026 16:14:59 +0200

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 9:14 am

Hi again Natalia,

I also took a look at the 27 July 1910 marriage in Markowa for Franciszek Szylar. I read the names differently here, as well.

I see Franciszek marrying Franciszka Zijma (not Ryznar). Franciszek's parents are Marcin Szylar and Marianna Bar. Franciszka's parents are Jan Zijma and Wiktoria Suchecka (not Szylar). I see the surname Zijma also written as Zima (one of the witnesses).

The link for this record is: https://fotolubgens.lubgens.eu/picture.php?/365591/category/6061

Best regards,
Sophia

Help with transcription

trinkelson — Sun, 30 Aug 2026 01:26:58 +0200

Author: trinkelson

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2026 6:26 pm

Thank you M Proust. Great assistance as usual!

TYLKA

mpalus — Wed, 26 Aug 2026 19:42:37 +0200

Author: mpalus

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2026 12:42 pm

I was researching my Great Great Grandfather, Martin (Marcin)Masnica. I found a Jan Tylka in a 24 Mar 1909 New York Arrival Passenger List. He listed his home as Załuczne, Austria, Galicia. The person he left back in Załuczne was his wife, Antonina. He was to be met by Marcin Masnica and Jan was going to his address in Chicago, Illinois. Martin was born in the village. Martin later moved to a farm in Sobieski, Oconto, Wisconsin.

Latin records translations

TedMack — Tue, 25 Aug 2026 12:59:19 +0200

Author: TedMack

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2026 5:59 am

G'day Dave

Thanks for the wonderful reply.
My problems are not the foxes but the Brush Turkeys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_brushturkey
I've had to get garden cages to keep them out of the veggies.
Elmer would be a blessing with his shotgun.

Till next time.
Cheers
Ted

People from Wysoka near Lancut

nataliaszulc — Sat, 22 Aug 2026 10:39:57 +0200

Author: nataliaszulc

Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2026 3:39 am

Hi sirdan,

I hope you do not mind me contacting you through this old thread.

I am researching my Kielar and Szylar family from Markowa and found your old posts about the Markowa parish records and the scans you had collected.

I am currently looking for Markowa records from approximately 1850–1890, especially marriages involving Kielar, Szylar, Ryznar, Szpytma, Cynar, Grad and Bąk.

I also saw that you had read Howard Tejchma’s “Tejchma Ryznar Research 2005.pdf”. Unfortunately the attachment is no longer available.

If you still have any of the old Markowa scans, transcriptions, or Howard’s PDF, I would be extremely grateful for a copy.

Thank you,
Natalia

Cause of death query (cor?)

lenahlene — Wed, 19 Aug 2026 17:59:56 +0200

Author: lenahlene

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2026 10:59 am

I’ve come across a little batch of records which seem to have ‘Cor’ as part of the cause of death and I have no idea what it means or its relevance, as it appears both in the originals and the bishops copy, and the deaths seem to be mostly children but the causes differ. In some cases, the cause of death in the original is simply given as ‘cor’ but the bishop’s copy adds scarlatina. But this word appears in pretty much every death entry for about 6 months, and then disappears and I haven’t seen it anywhere else in the records. Most of the deaths are ‘cur’ or ‘cur et scarlatina’ but not all, there is one ‘cur et convulsiones’, but where ‘scarletina’ is given as the cause of death elsewhere in the books, it’s not accompanied by ‘cur’

These are from 1875, the scans are on FamilySearch film 2037644, image 181 for the original; and the bishop’s copy is film 4945071 images 677 and 678.

Anna Landkammer d.28th Dec is one of the ones which has ‘scarlatina’ added in the bishop’s copy entry but not in the original.

Possible ancestors? Looking for advice

Sophia — Tue, 18 Aug 2026 11:38:04 +0200

Author: Sophia

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2026 4:38 am

Hi Jerry,

You're welcome!

I agree, you can consider this Jakub Krutul to be part of your family, even if you will not be able to find a record of the birth of his son Stanislavas/Stanislaw because the records from the year you need might never become available.

It could be well worth your while researching the others on that list of displaced persons to see if they are extended family members. Try tracing them back and pay special attention to whether their baptism records show any of your known family members as godparents/sponsors, or if their marriage records show someone from your family as witnesses.

Best of luck!
Sophia

Polish records translations

marcelproust — Tue, 18 Aug 2026 07:08:03 +0200

Author: marcelproust

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2026 12:08 am

Fmbelcher wrote:

If you could translate this document, I would be most appreciative. It is written by a notary to my GGM, Marya Strezpek Stec when she lived in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I believe it is a request to sign papers so that they could sell the family estate.

I am working on it.

Translation

marcelproust — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 15:06:55 +0200

Author: marcelproust

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2026 8:06 am

TorSee wrote:

Hello,
can anyone read and decipher the attached handwritten Polish document?
Thanks in advance.
Torsten Seemann

61

It happened in the town of Dąbie, on July 14th, 1828, at 7 p.m.

There appeared Michał Bosim, a farmer, 43 years old and Jan Doberstein, a farmhand, 22 years old, both living in Łąbędź Holendry and they declared that on that day, at 2 p.m., Marcin Doberszteyn (as the surname was written in this document) died in Łabędź Holendry, a 19 years old cloth-making journeyman, a son of ...[left blank], luźniak [ a day laborer without land or property].

After having convinced myself of the death of Marcin Doberszteyn, this Act was read to the declarant, the second of whom was the deceased's brother, and was signed by Us, as the others were illiterate.

German records translations

Blue — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 14:12:49 +0200

Author: Blue

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2026 7:12 am

Thanks again TorSee, much appreciated.

Bobrowniki or Tłuchowo parish records

BarbOslo — Sun, 02 Aug 2026 16:32:02 +0200

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2026 9:32 am

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Need Help Deciphering Ancestor's Town Name

Trish — Tue, 28 Jul 2026 17:49:30 +0200

Author: Trish

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2026 10:49 am

JFalejczyk wrote:

Just a minor update here, I was able to find a few things, and (thus far) not able to find a few things.

I am leaning towards that record Trish found of Joe Cieslak being Sylvia's older brother, I feel like the close birth year and parent match is too much to ignore. I was able to find his grave on FindAGrave here: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/95613654/joseph-cieslak

I don't think he had any children. I have been researching the descendants of the Fisher family and there are definitely quite a few.

I unfortunately haven't been able to find anything else on Sylvia's other siblings, like Zofia, Wladyslaw, or Edward. I was able to figure out that Stanislaw's (Sylvia's father) second wife's name was in fact Aurelia, and I was able to find some FamilySearch records on her first marriage and children from it, like here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/PMQY-BD6

It appears Karpinska was her maiden name and Daszkowski was the surname of her first husband. I haven't seen any evidence of her having kids with Stanislaw after they got married, and considering she was 36 when they got married, I think it's totally possible they just didn't have any other kids.

I've been scouring FindAGrave and I can't seem to find any graves for the Cieslak family, besides Sylvia's and (potentially) Joseph's. I'm going to keep on digging to see if there's anything on her other siblings (Sophia, Wladyslaw, and Edward). I'll be sure to post updates in here.

Hi!
I am so happy to hear that you were able to find some amazing clues about the family. I'm glad you were able to figure out the maiden name and first marriage surname for Aurelia. Keep us posted as how you make out with your research and if you find any more clues.

Regards,
Trish

Villages

Fox — Mon, 27 Jul 2026 13:05:40 +0200

Author: Fox

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2026 6:05 am

Dąb Wielki

Looking for relatives of Wesolowski, Wesolek, Jankowski,

monika_wk — Mon, 27 Jul 2026 07:24:56 +0200

Author: monika_wk

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2026 12:24 am

Dear Terri,

while researching my husband’s ancestors, we came across your posts on this forum. You last posted in 2019; now, seven years later, I hope you’re in good health, and if you’re still interested in learning more about your immediate and extended family, I’d be happy to help you, to the extent of my knowledge about the family from Bartoszyce.

Warm regards, Monika Wysocka-Kawa
wife of Arkadiusz, a descendant of the Wesołek family

ancestry

Fox — Sun, 26 Jul 2026 18:43:28 +0200

Author: Fox

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2026 11:43 am

Thank You