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Re: Poland's Civil Records

jdupon — Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:46 am

Author: jdupon

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:46 am

The entry is from my own index of Gozdowo marriage records, transcribed from:

Akta urodzeń, małżeństw, zgonów 1867-1879
Family History Library
International Film
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Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:24 am

Author: Felicia

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:24 am

Thank you so much!

Is there an age listed for Franciszka?

Is there any way I can access this record online?

Felicia

Podwojski

jdupon — Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:58 am

Author: jdupon

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:58 am

On 21 Jan 1872, in Dzie,gielewo, Jozef Podwojski, son of Franciszek P and Katarzyna Wacl~awska, age 26, from Pokrzywdowo Prussia, married Franciszka Kl~obukowska, daughter of Tomasz K and Maryanna Osiecka, from Mochowo.

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:30 am

Author: Felicia

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:30 am

jdupon,

Please look for the surname Podwojski,

Specifically a record for Joseph Podwojski who married Frances (don't know the Polish version of her first name) Klobukowska.

Hope you find something!

Felicia

Stropkowo, Dziegielewo (Jezewo, Gozdowo)

jdupon — Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:16 pm

Author: jdupon

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:16 pm

I've indexed the Catholic marriage records for these parishes -- Let me know if you would like for me to look up a surname or marriage listing.

Re: Poland's Civil Records

dnowicki — Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:03 am

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:03 am

Felicia,

The "county" (powiat) for Dziegielewo is Sierpecki. The names of counties are in the form of adjectives in Polish. The town from which the powiat gets its name is Sierpc.

Dave

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:02 pm

Author: Felicia

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:02 pm

What would be the "county" for Dziengielewo?

Felicia

Re: Poland's Civil Records

dnowicki — Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:53 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:53 pm

Felicia,

Roman Catholic is Rzymsko-Katolicki.
Orthodox is either Ortodoksyjny or Prawowierny
Lutheran is Luteranski but in the older period Protestants in general (Lutherans included) was Ewangelicki

Also, I think it would be less confusing if you stuck to one set of wojewodztwa either the present list or the 1975-1998 list. Mixing the two groups will just confuse you. When Gilberto listed Lipowiec and Pokrzydowo as being in Wojewodztwo (Province) Kujawsko-Pomorskie it would be less confusing to list Jezewo, Stropkowo, Gozfowo and Dziegielewo as being in Wojewodztwo Mazowieckie. Thus all would be using the current names of the provinces.

Dave

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:37 pm

Author: Felicia

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:37 pm

Gilberto,

My father once told me that my grandmother from Lipowiec was German Lutheran in the old country and my father was Russian Orthodox. What would these be in Polish? Or should I stick with Katolicko-apostolskie, which I take it means Roman Catholic?

Felicia

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Anonymous — Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:07 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:07 pm

Felicia,

The third field is for confession: roman catholic, jews, ewangelical, orthodox, etc . It helsp to narrow your seach if the place you're looking (specially major cities).

Gilberto

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:17 pm

Author: Felicia

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:17 pm

Gilberto,

The 3rd asks for confession? I don't understand.

Felicia

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Anonymous — Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:51 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:51 am

Felicia wrote:

Gilberto,

I am just blown away by all the information that you have provided! Are Jezewo and Gozdowo the provinces for Stropkowo and Dziegielewo? I'm asking because on two of the links I had the search page translated into English and what is being asked for is confusing. For one thing they ask:

"Enter the name of the commune on the territory of which the town searched for is located, or the county on the territory of which it was located before the war:" and

"Select the name of the province within the 1975-1998 or 1918-1939 borders"

So I am not sure what to type for the first one, and what to select for the 2nd one. ????

Felicia

Hi,

Make sure to scroll down the page to its end, so you can see the results for the place. Then click on the word Wiecej, in red, to see what State Archive holds the records you need.

Answering your questions:
- the first field asks for the name of the gmina, if you already know it. If not, leave it untyped.
- the second asks for the name of province. same as above.
- the third asks for confession and
- the forth asks for the type of record.
No.
Jezewo, Gozdowo, Stropkowo and Dziegielewo are places in Plock province.
Pokrzydowo and Lipowiec are places in Kujawsko-pomorskie province.

Because Stropkowo and Dziegielewo had no churches there, their parishes are in Jezewo and Gozdowo.
Jezewo belongs to Dekanat (a group of parishes) sierpecki, whereas Gozdowo belongs to Dekanat bielski.
Both dekanats are part of Plock Diocese.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategoria:Dekanaty_diecezji_p%C5%82ockiej

Gilberto

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:27 pm

Author: Felicia

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:27 pm

Gilberto,

I am just blown away by all the information that you have provided! Are Jezewo and Gozdowo the provinces for Stropkowo and Dziegielewo? I'm asking because on two of the links I had the search page translated into English and what is being asked for is confusing. For one thing they ask:

"Enter the name of the commune on the territory of which the town searched for is located, or the county on the territory of which it was located before the war:" and

"Select the name of the province within the 1975-1998 or 1918-1939 borders"

So I am not sure what to type for the first one, and what to select for the 2nd one. ????

Felicia

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Anonymous — Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:08 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:08 am

Felicia wrote:

Gilberto, my problem is that I cannot find Stropkowo and Dziegielewo church records. That's why I am looking for civil records. I cannot find them for Lipowiec or Pokrzydowo either. These towns are all in the same area, so I guess I need to find which church would be holding them.

Felicia

Felicia,

According to a 1934 index, Lipowiec had no parish. People attended masses in Pokrzydowo. Both villages are in gmina zbiczno, powiat brodnicki, kujawsko-pomorskie.
I think records may be in Zbiczno, AP Torun, see http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=pl&miejscowosc=zbiczno&gmina=&wojewodztwo_id=0&wyznanie_id=0&rodzajaktu_id=0&search=szukaj

RC Church in Pokrzydowo http://www.diecezja.torun.pl/par_pokaz.php?idpar=32

Stropkowo and Dziegielewo had no parishes, either. The former was in Jezewo, the latter in Gozdowo.

Jezewo in State Archives: http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=pl&miejscowosc=jezewo&gmina=&wojewodztwo_id=48&wyznanie_id=0&rodzajaktu_id=0&search=szukaj

Gozdowo in State Archives: http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=pl&miejscowosc=gozdowo&gmina=&wojewodztwo_id=48&wyznanie_id=0&rodzajaktu_id=0&search=szukaj

Jezewo in LDS microfilms: https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=342902&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Warszawa%2C+Je%26%23x17c%3Bewo+%28Sierpc%29+-+Church+records&columns=*,0,0

Gozdowo in LDS microfilms: https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=342874&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Warszawa%2C+Gozdowo+%28Sierpc%29+-+Church+records&columns=*,0,0

RC church in Jezewo: http://www.diecezjaplocka.pl/index.php?akcja=spis_wyswietlParafie&p_id=199

RC church in Gozdowo: http://www.diecezjaplocka.pl/index.php?akcja=spis_wyswietlParafie&p_id=3

Gilberto

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Author: Felicia

Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Gilberto, my problem is that I cannot find Stropkowo and Dziegielewo church records. That's why I am looking for civil records. I cannot find them for Lipowiec or Pokrzydowo either. These towns are all in the same area, so I guess I need to find which church would be holding them.

Dave, I had no idea non-Catholics would be married by a Catholic priest! Very interesting, since one of my ancestors supposedly went all the way to Spain and brought a Spanish lady back with him. I don't know if she was Catholic.

Felicia

Re: Poland's Civil Records

dnowicki — Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:46 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:46 pm

Here is a Catholic church baptismal record of a child of non-Catholic parents from 1781.
Translation: Szaradowa: In the year of Our Lord 1781 on the 8th day of December was born an infant of the legally married Non-Catholic parents Piotr and Rozalia Tessman who was baptized by me as above on the 10th of December to whom I gave the name Krzysztof. The sponsors were the lord Stanislaw Szerner and the worker Maryanna Hartska, a maiden.

Dave

Re: Poland's Civil Records

dnowicki — Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:22 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:22 pm

Henryk et al.,

The requirement of keeping Sacramental records in the Catholic Church came about as a result of one of the canons of the Council of Trent in about 1575. The Church requirement was not to keep what we would call vital records as such but was to keep records of the Sacraments of Baptism, Communion, Confirmation, and Marriages as well as records of Christian burials. Things like date and place of birth for baptismal records was not the primary purpose of the records but was often included to give more detail to the record. The reason the Council of Trent required the keeping of Sacramental records was part of the Catholic Church's response to the Protestant Reformation. Since being Christian in Europe no longer meant either being Catholic or Orthodox the Catholic Church wanted to have a means to identify those who were baptized Catholic and received the other Sacraments. This was especially important since some Protestant groups did not share the same Sacramental Theology as the Catholic and Orthodox branches of Christianity. Church records doubled as civil records since the state in those centuries had no system of civil registration and of keeping civil vital records and so ecclesiastical records filled that void.

As an interesting side note, I have seen baptismal records fro the parish of Szaradowo in the mid 1700s where the parish priest baptized children of Protestant parents with Protestants serving as sponsors (Godparents) with no expectation that the child would be raised Catholic rather than Lutheran. I guess it was an early form of ecumenism. I know that I have copies of such baptisms and will post an example if I can locate the record easily.

Dave

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Henryk — Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:55 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:55 pm

Vital records keeping is a very old requirement of the Catholic and other churches. In Poland the Catholic Church was responsible for civil records, which included Jewish records for a period. Here is an online example for Sokolina Parish, then Kraków province, later Kielce:
Księgi metrykalne parafii rzymskokatolickiej w Sokolinie
(Urodzenia-1672-1683)

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Anonymous — Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:36 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:36 am

Felicia,

In your search in Stropkowo and Dziegielewo records, have you ever find the surname Stypurski?

Thank you,
Gilberto

Re: Poland's Civil Records

Felicia — Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Author: Felicia

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Gilberto,

Thanks for the interesting link! It gives me renewed hope.