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Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

pattylogan — Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:29 pm

Author: pattylogan

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:29 pm

Thank you all for posting on this message. I am hoping that the info listed will help me in finding my family members!

Patty

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

mmurosky — Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:47 pm

Author: mmurosky

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:47 pm

dnowicki wrote:

Michelle,

The fact that they were from the German Partition narrows down the area in Poland where they lived. Unfortunately, their marriage does nor appear in the marriage index of the Poznan Project or in BASIA so that really does not help. However, there may be another way to learn where they were from. The marriage licenses of their two daughters who were born in Poland, Katarzyna/Catherine & Teofila/Teophila, are found on Family Search. Catherine married Stanislaus Zelazny on Nov. 22, 1910 and Teophila married Frank Gaczkowski on Sept. 6, 1909. The minister of the Gospel who officiated at both marriages was Andrew Ignasiak. It happens that he was the long time pastor of St. Stanislaus Catholic Church (516 E. 13th Street, Erie, PA). The parish has a website with phone numbers, email address, etc. According to that site Rev. Ignasiak immigrated to the USA in 1886, not long after he was ordained in Poland. So a possible place to learn where the two daughters were born and baptized in Poland is the marriage register of St. Stanislaus Church since that info should have been entered in their marriage records. If you decide to contact the parish about those two marriage records, ask them either for a scan of the actual entry in the register or, if they are not receptive to doing that, ask for a transcription of any birth/baptism information contained in the register. (A request for a certificate will not provide the info you need because that information is not usually entered on a certificate even if it is found in the entry in the register.

Hope this suggestion yields the clues you need.

Dave

Hi Dave,

Thank you so much for this suggestion to contact St. Stanislaus Church. The church records have offered some additional location clues that were previously not known. I need to take some time to transcribe the records and do some research to make sense out of the various names and places. These records have provided details previously unknown before. The folks at the church were very kind and the church is still very beautiful.

Thank you again!

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

Ciot — Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:27 pm

Author: Ciot

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:27 pm

Michelle....I only have a free account with Myheritage and I am continuously contacted by folks working on my family.....I have Kwiatkowski family members and never knew it until I was contacted by the administrator of that family tree.

Good luck with your research and I encourage you do the free membership as you will be able to post your family tree and others will find you.

Rita Ciot (Ciotuszynski)

Re: Kwiatkowski Family

mmurosky — Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:24 am

Author: mmurosky

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:24 am

Ciot wrote:

http://www.myheritage.com/FP/o.php?type=click&mailingid=200008&serial=newsletter-15041400a71d77e1f2be89251f35e7ba&emailid=rciot@suddenlink.net&extra=001&redirecturl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myheritage.com%2Fsite-134005082%2Fkwiatkowski%3Fforcelogin%3Drciot%2540suddenlink.net%26lang%3DEN

Hi - I don't have an account at this site. If I sign up for the free account will I be able to see this content?

Re: Kwiatkowski Family

Zenon — Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:09 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:09 am

Ciot wrote:

Rita,

This link requires registration to my heritage and I think that not everyone has account there..

Kwiatkowski Family

Ciot — Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:03 pm

Author: Ciot

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:03 pm

http://www.myheritage.com/FP/o.php?type=click&mailingid=200008&serial=newsletter-15041400a71d77e1f2be89251f35e7ba&emailid=rciot@suddenlink.net&extra=001&redirecturl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myheritage.com%2Fsite-134005082%2Fkwiatkowski%3Fforcelogin%3Drciot%2540suddenlink.net%26lang%3DEN

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:58 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:58 pm

Michelle,

Thanks for sharing!

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

mmurosky — Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:59 am

Author: mmurosky

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:59 am

Elzbieta,

Thank you again for your assistance and kindly answering my questions.

Thank you also for showing her husband's Polish translation: "Her husband Polish given name was Wincenty. Wincenty Bukowski "

His tombstone uses the Polish spelling of his name:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Bukowski&GSfn=Wincent&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=40&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=99322509&df=all&

Thank you,

Michelle

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:48 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:48 am

mmurosky wrote:

In this example how would one search the Polish records? Using Ignacy Kwiatkowski and Julianna Kłos?

Michelle,

Yes.
Please also remember that Polish language has declensions, genders, and suffixes (-owna for young woman), and that often you will have to recover the nominative form (the above Ignacy Kwiatkowski and Julianna Kłos) from declensions.

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

mmurosky — Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:23 pm

Author: mmurosky

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:23 pm

dnowicki wrote:

Hi Dave

Thank you kindly for responding to my post. I have also searched for a marriage record between Frances and Vincent with no luck. As you have discovered the family was Catholic. Well done finding the records for the two oldest daughters. The Family Search database was one that I was not familiar with - thank you so much for sharing that with me. My family has strong roots in Pennsylvania so this database has so much to offer.

Ironically I have marriage photos for both daughters:
Teo Fila Bukowski & Frank J. Gaczkowski - http://murosky-ancestral-lines.blogspot.com/2014/11/family-photo-teo-fila-bukowski-frank-j.html
Wedding Portrait: Catherine M. Bukowski & Joseph Stanislaus Zelazny - http://murosky-ancestral-lines.blogspot.com/2015/01/wedding-portrait-catherine-m-bukowski.html

There is a possibility I will be in Erie this summer. This would give me the opportunity to request the transcription of the marriage records from the church. Thank you for this suggestion.

I was hoping that the possibility of parents names for Francis would give me a new place to look. Family lore has it that the family openly would not discuss where they came from.

Thank you,

Michelle

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

mmurosky — Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:13 pm

Author: mmurosky

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:13 pm

Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote:

Michelle,

Here is my deciphering. Unfortunately we do not have any single hint for the place they lived before moving to the US.

Best,

Elzbieta

==

==PO180:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/42342_2321306652_0663_02558_313.jpg
Death certificate
2. FULL NAME: Frances Bukowski
// Her Polish given name was Franciszka. Franciszka Bukowska
5a. If married, widowed, or divorced HUSBAND or WIFE of: Vincent Bukowski
// Her husband Polish given name was Wincenty. Wincenty Bukowski
16. DATE-of-DEATH: 30 July 1936
6. DATE-of-BIRTH: 3 May 1867
7. AGE: 69 years 2 months 27 days
9. BIRTHPLACE: POLAND
10. NAME-of-FATHER: Ignatz Kwiatkowski
// Her father Polish given name was Ignacy. Ignacy Kwiatkowski
// Her name at birth was Franciszka Kwiatkowska
11. BIRTHPLACE-of-FATHER: POLAND
12. MAIDEN NAME-of-MOTHER: Juliana Kłosuwna
// Her mother’s maiden name was: Julianna Kłos
// The Polish suffix -ówna (same spelling as -uwna) is used to indicate “daughter of”, daughter of Kłos
13. BIRTHPLACE-of-MOTHER: POLAND

All the names: Bukowski, Kwiatkowski, Kłos are very popular in Poland.
The US method (used even today) to reduce a birthplace outside of the US to a country is a nonsense, and does not help.
==

Hello Elzbieta,

Thank you kindly for your assistance transcribing the names. In this example how would one search the Polish records? Using Ignacy Kwiatkowski and Julianna Kłos?

Thank you,

Michelle

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

dnowicki — Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:06 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:06 pm

Michelle,

The fact that they were from the German Partition narrows down the area in Poland where they lived. Unfortunately, their marriage does nor appear in the marriage index of the Poznan Project or in BASIA so that really does not help. However, there may be another way to learn where they were from. The marriage licenses of their two daughters who were born in Poland, Katarzyna/Catherine & Teofila/Teophila, are found on Family Search. Catherine married Stanislaus Zelazny on Nov. 22, 1910 and Teophila married Frank Gaczkowski on Sept. 6, 1909. The minister of the Gospel who officiated at both marriages was Andrew Ignasiak. It happens that he was the long time pastor of St. Stanislaus Catholic Church (516 E. 13th Street, Erie, PA). The parish has a website with phone numbers, email address, etc. According to that site Rev. Ignasiak immigrated to the USA in 1886, not long after he was ordained in Poland. So a possible place to learn where the two daughters were born and baptized in Poland is the marriage register of St. Stanislaus Church since that info should have been entered in their marriage records. If you decide to contact the parish about those two marriage records, ask them either for a scan of the actual entry in the register or, if they are not receptive to doing that, ask for a transcription of any birth/baptism information contained in the register. (A request for a certificate will not provide the info you need because that information is not usually entered on a certificate even if it is found in the entry in the register.

Hope this suggestion yields the clues you need.

Dave

Re: Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:32 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:32 pm

mmurosky wrote:

Hello,

My 2nd great grandparents were from Poland. Unfortunately the family didn't discuss their history so I currently do not know where the family was living prior to moving to the United States in the 1890's. The couple traveled through Antwerp with their three small children and were processed at Ellis Island. The ships arrival record indicates they traveled from Antwerp. These departure records for Antwerp were lost during WWI.

When Ancestry.com loaded the PA death certificates I was able to locate my 2nd great grandmother's death certificate. Her death certificate includes her parent's names. The handwriting in this portion of the death certificate is different - possibly recorded by her husband Vincent Bukowski.

There are a few unfamiliar characters so I am uncertain of how to transcribe these names. At the time of her death, 1936, her parents were listed as born in Poland.

Previous references to Frances and her husband:

1900 United States Federal Census - Poland Ger
1910 United States Federal Census - Ger Polish
1920 United States Federal Census - German Poland
1930 United States Federal Census - Poland

All census records are from Erie, Erie County, Pennsylvania

Thank you,

Michelle

Polish Surnames on PA Death Certificate

mmurosky — Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:05 pm

Author: mmurosky

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:05 pm

Hello,

My 2nd great grandparents were from Poland. Unfortunately the family didn't discuss their history so I currently do not know where the family was living prior to moving to the United States in the 1890's. The couple traveled through Antwerp with their three small children and were processed at Ellis Island. The ships arrival record indicates they traveled from Antwerp. These departure records for Antwerp were lost during WWI.

When Ancestry.com loaded the PA death certificates I was able to locate my 2nd great grandmother's death certificate. Her death certificate includes her parent's names. The handwriting in this portion of the death certificate is different - possibly recorded by her husband Vincent Bukowski.

There are a few unfamiliar characters so I am uncertain of how to transcribe these names. At the time of her death, 1936, her parents were listed as born in Poland.

Previous references to Frances and her husband:

1900 United States Federal Census - Poland Ger
1910 United States Federal Census - Ger Polish
1920 United States Federal Census - German Poland
1930 United States Federal Census - Poland

All census records are from Erie, Erie County, Pennsylvania

Thank you,

Michelle