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Re: thank you Elzbieta for the quick translation

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:06 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:06 pm

ossnhughie wrote:

Elzbieta,

Thank you this is potentially big news my 2nd Great grandmother was born in 1864 in Troki to Noble parents Jozef and Marcjanna (Rogowicz) Fronckiewicz. So seemingly one of these must be my 3rd great grandfather Jozef?

Also, I know how busy Ryszard with the constant translations I appreciate it. Not to look agift horse in the mouth (I know Russian Documents are not your speciality) but could you see if this marriage record from Troki in 1863 is a Fronckiewicz in particular a Jozef Fronckiewicz and Marcjanna Rogowicz marriage. It is the second one down. A whole translation is not necessary just want to know if it is them or not.

Dziekuje Bardzo,

Hugh

Hugh,

It is so blurred that almost impossible to read. Maybe a native Russian speaker could recover some words with his knowledge of language, as I can do with Polish, so please ask on Russian translations.

In the record 14, I see:
Large left column:
Date: 1863 year, April 14 day.
Large middle column:
Дворян = Nobleman
Fronckiewicz Jozef, age 21? from Zascianek Gerwazy and Ewa Stan??
Waszkiewiczow, age 19

In other words, I do not see Marcjanna Rogowicz.
Please note this record is not from 1864.

Zaścianek = village with nobles residing there,
Zaścianek https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za%C5%9Bcianek_szlachecki

Best,
Elzbieta

thank you Elzbieta for the quick translation

ossnhughie — Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:51 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:51 pm

Elzbieta,

Thank you this is potentially big news my 2nd Great grandmother was born in 1864 in Troki to Noble parents Jozef and Marcjanna (Rogowicz) Fronckiewicz. So seemingly one of these must be my 3rd great grandfather Jozef?

Also, I know how busy Ryszard with the constant translations I appreciate it. Not to look agift horse in the mouth (I know Russian Documents are not your speciality) but could you see if this marriage record from Troki in 1863 is a Fronckiewicz in particular a Jozef Fronckiewicz and Marcjanna Rogowicz marriage. It is the second one down. A whole translation is not necessary just want to know if it is them or not.

Dziekuje Bardzo,

Hugh

Re: also not sure but will check with russian experts

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:37 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:37 pm

ossnhughie wrote:

Henryk and all,

It seems to be really close or indentical to the print on a birth record from 1864. So I guess like I said its up to the experts. Although I understand that some of these documents sometimes have misspellings.

Dziekuje,

Hugh

Hugh,

I see four Fronckiewicz on two pages.

Here is very quick list of names. I added ** before each person listed.

Best,
Elzbieta

==

==PO210:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/fronckiewicz_nobility_record_1_page_001_227.jpg
400. Fronckiewicz 1798 December 3
** Stefan Pietrow. (son of Piotr?)
** His sons: Wincenty
** Jozef
** Antoni
Number 4 (could be the number of persons within item 400)
402. Fronckiewicz 1799 May 4
Bracket {
** Jozef
** Ignacy
** Antoni
** Jerzy
} After bracket: Stanislawa (sons of Stanislaw)
Number 4 (could be the number of persons within item 402)
==PO210:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/fronckiewicz_nobility_record_2_page_001_399.jpg
403 Fronckiewicz 1811 July 26
** Piotr Macieja? (son of Maciej?)
** His son: Florian
Bracket {
** Jakub
** Szymon
** Jan
} After bracket: Jozefa (sons of Jozef)
Number 5 (could be the number of persons within item 403)
404 Fronckiewicz 1804 March 21. 1834 April 11
** Michal Tomaszow. (son of Tomasz?)
** His sons: Stefan
** Jerzy
** Andrzej Juriewa (Jurij=Jerzy, Jerzego) (son of Jerzy)
** His son: Stanislaw
** Mateusz Andrzeja (son of Andrzej)
** Jan Kazimierza (son of Kazimierz) ---- number 1 ---- Ivan (Ivan=Jan) Kazimierz ? born 1837 ??
Bracket {
** Szymon
** Jakub Stanislaw
** Ludwik
** Hieronim
} After bracket: Jozefa (sons of Jozef)
** Wincenty Stefana (son of Stefan)
** Stanislaw Ivanowy (son of Jan=Ivan)
Number 13 (could be the number of persons within item 404)

==

also not sure but will check with russian experts

ossnhughie — Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:42 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:42 pm

Henryk and all,

It seems to be really close or indentical to the print on a birth record from 1864. So I guess like I said its up to the experts. Although I understand that some of these documents sometimes have misspellings.

Dziekuje,

Hugh

Re: information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

Henryk — Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:37 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:37 pm

Maybe sz and not cz?

Henryk Good news I got the djvu working

ossnhughie — Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:20 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:20 pm

Henryk,

Many thanks following your advice I have fianlly got the viewer working and have been using certain lists on the site. I was just looking at the trakai 1844 nobility lists but am having trouble with reading the last names. I don't know if you read Russian but I think I found an ancestral name and possibly a first name.

Here's hoping either you or one of my other compatriots can read cyrillic. If not I will certainly post on Russian language page.

I Think that it is the name Fronckiewicz but can be certain (cyrillic cursive is not my thing)

Hugh

Re: information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

Henryk — Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:30 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:30 pm

In Polish, until 1848, then Russian.
http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&w=23lt
Partially transcribed Lithuanian parish records, including Wilno, but not Troki.

very frustrating

ossnhughie — Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:42 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:42 pm

Henryk,

I followed your advice and being that I am a bit of a novice when it comes to computers doesn't help either. Looks like as of now the trakai 1844 lists are of limits. You said you could view the list was it is Russian or Polish........just curious.

Hugh

Re: information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

Henryk — Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:25 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:25 pm

I don't recall the source for my djvu.
The Nobility List works for me.
Go to internet options/privacy/sites to see if genealodzy.pl is being blocked. Change to allowed.
Open properties/compatility on djvu and run compatibility troubleshooter.
The above is for Windows.

Henryk

ossnhughie — Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:38 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:38 pm

Henryk I don't know if you have this djvu yourself but the documents on the sight won't work for me with the downloaded software. If you have it yourself can you try viewing the Trakai (Troki) 1844 nobility list.

Thanks,

Hugh

Downloaded the latest version

ossnhughie — Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:45 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:45 pm

Henryk,

followed the link and dowloaded djvu still wont read the documents from the site you provided.....more headaches I suppose. Thanks anyway.

Hugh

Re: information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

Henryk — Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:36 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:36 pm

djvu is a very useful web reader, used on many Polish sites: eg: Wielkopolski Digital Library, Geographical Dictionary of Poland. Information on djvu:
http://djvu.org/resources/whatisdjvu.php
http://djvu.org/resources/?detail=doc_djvu_plugin&platform=win
Site for downloading on your computer:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/djvu/files/
Click on:
"Looking for the latest version? Download DjVuLibre-3.5.27_DjView-4.10.1_Setup.exe (9.0 MB)"

Thanks Henryk

ossnhughie — Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:08 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:08 pm

Henryk it is a great resouce website unfortunately ik canot view the files they are in some format I never heard of called djvu files. It's a shame because there is some potentially good stuff on the site

Hugh

Re: information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

Henryk — Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:16 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:16 pm

http://kresy.genealodzy.pl/index.html
Links to information on Kresy. In Polish. Use Google translate.
Including links to Troki Parish records.

Re: information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

sirdan — Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:02 am

Author: sirdan

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:02 am

Hi. I didnt know what i could reccomend you. Out of search from google i found a book contained nostalgic story about coming back to the place of origins. Book has good opinions from readers in Poland, so it may interest you philipmarsden.co.uk/books.html book is The Bronski House
I hope you will enjoy the read.

information on Kresy (Eastern Borderlands)

ossnhughie — Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:19 pm

Author: ossnhughie

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:19 pm

Hello All,

I can remember back about 6 years ago, when I started looking into my Polish heritage that I assumed when I got back to the village(s) of origin they would be in what is now called Poland. Needless to say I was very naive about the history of Poland and the surrounding countries. It was a land that has seen many changes in border and many wars and lots of strife in general. It is a land of proud people who have experienced tragedy unlike most places in Europe.

I was shocked at the time to find out my ancestors came from an area referred to as Kresy they came from the Wilno-Troki districts of the old Russian Empire. In my limited searches I found very little information (in English) on the Wilno/Kresy region so I figured I'd ask here on the forum if any of my Polish Origins friends could suggest any media book, articles etc, on this region of the "Old Poland".

A dear friend and contributor here, Elzbieta suggested I put this out on this part of the forum to see if anyone has anything to offer. Also as an aside soes anyone have roots from the Wilno/Kresy area?

Thanks so much,

Hugh