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Re: russia-poland , minsk area

larrylancucki — Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:39 pm

Author: larrylancucki

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:39 pm

Hi everyone,

Thank you all for the insight you have provided regarding my search for juniszcze, horyn, stolin Belarus.
I have found a map on www.kami.net.pl/kresy/ which shows juniszcze and horyn the rail station, within 4-5 kilometers of stolin, and all within minska gubernia.
I have attached the maps with this email, and have a question about how to find the church in stolin, part of pinsk diocese, parish stolin narodzenia nmp .

am I on the right track ?

larry

Re: russia-poland , minsk area

larrylancucki — Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:22 pm

Author: larrylancucki

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:22 pm

Hi elzbieta,

I saw juniszcze,belarus and horyn, Belarus outside of minsk on bing maps, my computer uses bing to power some of its services, Microsoft corporation, using the name earthstar geographics is part of the logo in the lower right portion of the map. stolin, Belarus on this system is near the Ukrainian border. distance is what baffles me. I am not good at interpreting the distance from stolin on the Ukraine border to minsk. but I did try bing maps , their latest version and this takes
you to the same locations that I have been viewing.

the oral history I was referring to, the descendants of the denik/denig family passed on the information that the family emigrated from Germany and settled in the area around minsk, the sons franz and ernest being born in stolin, 1882,1884 and the daughter Helena being born in 1892 in horyn. previous to birth of sons beginning in 1882 , the parents august and anna had lived in Germany.

I hope some of the information is helpful, but it seems like I am in the right neighborhood, now I just need to find the right church or archive.

larry

Re: russia-poland , minsk area

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:59 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:59 am

larrylancucki wrote:

I have a question about the location on the map. juniszcze , Belarus comes up on the outskirts of minsk, as does horyn, Belarus, but stolin ,Belarus comes up near the Ukrainian border, is this still the same general area , the distance
appears to be too far for stolin to be a suburb of minsk, have I made a mistake or is there another stolin closer to minsk ?

larry

Larry,

You wrote "oral history passed down indicates" they moved to Minsk area. If that oral history is from another continent, then you refer to a big city, which might be quite a long distance away of your village.
It could be also Minsk as "Minsk gubernia" or Minsk governorate, which is very large, country size.

All villages you mention are close to Stolin, Belarus, near Ukrainian border.

Stolin is over the river Horyń, which goes north, to the bigger river Prypeć.

The political status of territories in that area have been changing over time.
I was lucky with someone quoting Encyclopedia Britannica's map of Belarus, easy to see:
http://www.bakerbluminfamilytree.com/maps_minskguburnia/belarus_map.gif

NB: where, on which map, did you see "Juniszcze, Belarus" on the outskirts of Minsk?

Best,
Elzbieta

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: russia-poland , minsk area

larrylancucki — Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:08 pm

Author: larrylancucki

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:08 pm

I have a question about the location on the map. juniszcze , Belarus comes up on the outskirts of minsk, as does horyn, Belarus, but stolin ,Belarus comes up near the Ukrainian border, is this still the same general area , the distance
appears to be too far for stolin to be a suburb of minsk, have I made a mistake or is there another stolin closer to minsk ?

larry

Re: russia-poland , minsk area

larrylancucki — Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:37 pm

Author: larrylancucki

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:37 pm

thank you elzbieta and gilberto for your insights into the Oscar cupa/supa/sipa passport and its details, the mishmash between Cyrillic,french,polish is another twist , there are some pictures I have with notes in polish, and some other mixture

of languages that appears to be close to polish but not quite the same. thank you also for the links to the slownik geograficzny and polish wiki . as well as the occurences of the name sipa in Poland . I will follow up on these leads and let you know

where they take me. much appreciation for your efforts.

larry

Re: russia-poland , minsk area

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:47 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:47 pm

larrylancucki wrote:

Hi, my name is lawrence lancucki and I am searching for the location of the towns/villages of juniszcze, horyn, stolin .

the family names involved are cupa/supa denik/denik
...

Larry,

Let me add to Gilberto's explanation:

Stolin:
in old geography book (1880-1900)
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XI/361
…
Gmina stolińska sklada sie z 5 okregow (starostw) wiejskich, ma 312 osad wlosc.
...
W sklad gminy wchodza: Bielohusza, Chotomla, Juniszcze, Mankowicze, Otwierzyca, Rzeczyca, Stolinek, Terebiszcze, Widybor i Wikarewicze.
// The community [Stolin] is composed of villages: Bielohusza, Chotomla, Juniszcze, Mankowicze, Otwierzyca, Rzeczyca, Stolinek, Terebiszcze, Widybor i Wikarewicze

Stolin in Polish wiki:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolin

Today:
Stolin, Brest Region, Belarus
==
The passeport is precious, because it clarifies the name: it is SIPA (Oscar signs Sippa).
The passeport is bilingual Polish-French, I noted few observations (see PDF attached), including strange name of Oscar's wife: CUPA, which is in my opinion a mishmash between Cyrillic and Latin, and should be SIPA.

Incidentaly the name SIPA does exist in Poland (639 cases)
http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/sipa.html

The name written Ostap in Passeport is clearly Cyrillic mishmash, Oscar writes Оскар in Cyrillic, and in handwritten it is possible to confuse the letter in the middle, "к" with ("т" written "m").

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: russia-poland , minsk area

Anonymous — Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:58 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:58 am

larrylancucki wrote:

Hi, my name is lawrence lancucki and I am searching for the location of the towns/villages of juniszcze, horyn, stolin .

the family names involved are cupa/supa denik/denik

oral history passed down indicates that the denik/denig family emigrated from Germany to the area around minsk.

franz denik/denig was born in 1882 in stolin, his brother ernest denik/denig was born on august 25, 1884
their sister Helena denik/denig was born on june 17,1890 .

Helena denik/denig married ostap cupa/supa , the passport of ostap cupa/supa indicates he was born in juniszcze, pow stolinokiego, and his wife Helena was born in horyn, pow stolinokiego.

ostap and Helena emigrated to America/Canada in 1928.

franz denik/denig and his brother ernest married two sisters , stefania and marya byzak,beiser,baizert,bayzert,baisert spelling is undetermined. they were married in early 1914 and left for America/Canada
arriving in new York on march 7 1914 . the girls were 16 and 17 years of age, their place of residence was given as stolin, and they left their father august behind.

I have found the immigration ship manifest of these two couples. I am trying to find the villages or towns of juniszcze , horyn, stolin and if any metrics on their birth , marriage are available.
attached is a copy of the passport of ostap cupa/supa and his birthplace,

Larry,

I vaguely remember to have helped someone looking for Oscar some years ago.
Stolin and Juniszce now in Belarus:
Search Results

You searched for: juniszcze
Found: 1

Juniszcze, village
Stolin, gmina wiejska, Luniniec powiat, Polesie voivodship
http://radzima.net/eng/search_place/

Horyń, railway station
Stolin, gmina wiejska, Luniniec powiat, Polesie voivodship

Gilberto

russia-poland , minsk area

larrylancucki — Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:45 am

Author: larrylancucki

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:45 am

Hi, my name is lawrence lancucki and I am searching for the location of the towns/villages of juniszcze, horyn, stolin .

the family names involved are cupa/supa denik/denik

oral history passed down indicates that the denik/denig family emigrated from Germany to the area around minsk.

franz denik/denig was born in 1882 in stolin, his brother ernest denik/denig was born on august 25, 1884
their sister Helena denik/denig was born on june 17,1890 .

Helena denik/denig married ostap cupa/supa , the passport of ostap cupa/supa indicates he was born in juniszcze, pow stolinokiego, and his wife Helena was born in horyn, pow stolinokiego.

ostap and Helena emigrated to America/Canada in 1928.

franz denik/denig and his brother ernest married two sisters , stefania and marya byzak,beiser,baizert,bayzert,baisert spelling is undetermined. they were married in early 1914 and left for America/Canada
arriving in new York on march 7 1914 . the girls were 16 and 17 years of age, their place of residence was given as stolin, and they left their father august behind.

I have found the immigration ship manifest of these two couples. I am trying to find the villages or towns of juniszcze , horyn, stolin and if any metrics on their birth , marriage are available.
attached is a copy of the passport of ostap cupa/supa and his birthplace,