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Re: Autosomal DNA test

DsS — Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:27 am

Author: DsS

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:27 am

efc3011 wrote:

Hi DsS,
I don't know if you have investigated autosomal DNA testing, which gives you DNA cousins back through 5 or more generations. It is called Family Finder if you test with FamilytreeDNA, or you could use 23 and Me, which is also a reputable company. I have recently found relatives on my paternal grandfather's side and also relatives on my maternal grandfather's side using these tests. Actually the Family Finder test has been more fruitful than the Y-DNA test which gives direct male line matches, but not in recent history.

Elaine

Hello Elaine.... I finally did the DNA testing also have paid for the Family Finder. Completed it early June and expected to get results mid way August. So so so excited, can't wait...

Find out that I'm Polish

Jessicacreative — Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:58 am

Author: Jessicacreative

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:58 am

I've always known that some of my relatives are Polish at some part. I didn't consider it like a sufficient part. But some month ago I decided to have ancestry test at dna services near the house https://dnasu.com/ And I found out that I'm 80% Polish. I'm very excited and eager to travel to Poland

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

ctamara — Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:13 pm

Author: ctamara

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:13 pm

Shellie wrote:

Aga did a wonderful job helping me understand a Polish article that I wanted to translate. I am making a donation as a token of my gratitude.

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Hi
shellie. I noticed awhile back you were interested in my Copernicus dna connection. recently i may have possibly finally broke through but i am awaiting some confirmation. i have parkinsons so i cannot type very well. wish me luck. carol

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

efc3011 — Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:31 pm

Author: efc3011

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:31 pm

Family Finder at FamilytreeDNA is $99. 23 and Me is also $99. Same price as AncestryDNA , I believe.

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

starkey76 — Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:04 pm

Author: starkey76

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:04 pm

Yeah, I was kind of bummed to read that Ancestry's test isn't that good unless you're delving into colonial ties, and Canada is the "abroad". Then you have to upload to GEDmatch. Maybe down the road I'll spend on the more expensive tests.
John

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

efc3011 — Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:59 pm

Author: efc3011

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:59 pm

Yes, GEDmatch is a great free site for comparing results from Familytree DNA, 23 and Me, and AncestryDNA. But it is limited by the fact that people need to upload their own raw data to the site, and if they don't do that, comparisons are, of course, not possible.

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

starkey76 — Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:40 pm

Author: starkey76

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:40 pm

Not sure if anyone else uses this site:

http://v2.gedmatch.com/login1.php

Once you get DNA results from Ancestry or someone else, you can upload them to GED match, and it will help you find relatives. Or overload you with data.....did find some of the Jablonowski's that were cousins, the same that were on my G Grandfathers voyage.
John

Autosomal DNA test

efc3011 — Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:14 am

Author: efc3011

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:14 am

Hi DsS,
I don't know if you have investigated autosomal DNA testing, which gives you DNA cousins back through 5 or more generations. It is called Family Finder if you test with FamilytreeDNA, or you could use 23 and Me, which is also a reputable company. I have recently found relatives on my paternal grandfather's side and also relatives on my maternal grandfather's side using these tests. Actually the Family Finder test has been more fruitful than the Y-DNA test which gives direct male line matches, but not in recent history.

Elaine

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

DsS — Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:45 am

Author: DsS

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:45 am

Absolutely intrigued with the Copernicus reconstruction and the DNA tracing ... Amazing!

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

DsS — Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:31 am

Author: DsS

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:31 am

Hello.... I am interested to know how does one get on when there are no direct relative on the Male side to have a Y-DNA TEST done??

My problem is, the only folk in my mothers side of the family, alive today is myself, sister, and 1st cousins 1 younger male and 2 younger females. And there children all up 5 in total and 2 grandchildren of mine.
My/our Grandfather was the only son and he only had 2 daughters. It is his Grandmothers line and her husbands line who I am trying to trace. They came from Moravia/Austria and from 'somewhere in Lithuania so far as I know' to NZ in 1874.
The Boyer from somewhere in Lithuania is proving very difficult.... and another Boyer from this site had mentioned I would need to do DNA testing... (?)

There are so many variants to all these DNA Tests I am unable to get my head round it all ...lol... Will I not ever be able to succeed with the Male DNA testing? As I see it, I/we would definitely need a Male with a direct lineage to our original GGG Grandparents for the father to son lineage....
I will be so disappointed to not be able to trace this line ever.... hohummm BUT I need to be put out of my misery on this issue. 'Please'

DNA testing

efc3011 — Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:35 pm

Author: efc3011

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:35 pm

For those of you who might want to "test the waters" with DNA testing, I thought I'd mention that Family Tree DNA is offering a great price for the basic 12 marker Y-DNA test. It is temporarily reduced to $39. I have paid $99 for this test! The Y-DNA test is for males only, and traces the male line directly from father to son down through the ages.

http://www.familytreedna.com/

Elaine

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

dancinchantilly — Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:32 pm

Author: dancinchantilly

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:32 pm

I just found this note on Dienekes Anthropology Blog - I think it is a nice overview of population genetics. Carolyn

The geography of recent genetic ancestry across Europe by Peter Ralph, Graham Coop
(Submitted on 16 Jul 2012)

The recent genealogical history of human populations is a complex mosaic formed by individual migration, large-scale population movements, and other demographic events. Population genomics datasets can provide a window into this recent history, as rare traces of recent shared genetic ancestry are detectable due to long segments of shared genomic material. We make use of genomic data for 2,257 Europeans (the POPRES dataset) to conduct one of the first surveys of recent genealogical ancestry over the past three thousand years at a continental scale. We detected 1.9 million shared genomic segments, and used the lengths of these to infer the distribution of shared ancestors across time and geography. We find that a pair of modern Europeans living in neighboring populations share around 10-50 genetic common ancestors from the last 1500 years, and upwards of 500 genetic ancestors from the previous 1000 years. These numbers drop off exponentially with geographic distance, but since genetic ancestry is rare, individuals from opposite ends of Europe are still expected to share millions of common genealogical ancestors over the last 1000 years. There is substantial regional variation in the number of shared genetic ancestors: especially high numbers of common ancestors between many eastern populations likely date to the Slavic and/or Hunnic expansions, while much lower levels of common ancestry in the Italian and Iberian peninsulas may indicate weaker demographic effects of Germanic expansions into these areas and/or more stably structured populations. Recent shared ancestry in modern Europeans is ubiquitous, and clearly shows the impact of both small-scale migration and large historical events. Population genomic datasets have considerable power to uncover recent demographic history, and will allow a much fuller picture of the close genealogical kinship of individuals across the world.

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

dancinchantilly — Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:25 pm

Author: dancinchantilly

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:25 pm

Dorothy,
Your mtDNA and your son's mtDNA will be the same, since inheritance is through the mother.

Your son's haplogroup of his y-DNA will be inherited from his father since it is associated the male y chromosome, which women do not have.

My full sequence mtDNA was done by Family Tree DNA. It is on file at GenBank, the National Institute of Health and I have also released it for any use in scientific research.

My father's Haplogroup (y-DNA) is R1a1a, most common in eastern Europeans.

Family Tree DNA has some excellent articles on both mtDNA, y-DNA, and access to project (Polish, Haplogroup H, Haplogroup W, Haplogroup Ria, and so on) results that give an excellent overview of where and who some group members are located.

Considering that Europe is relatively small populations have traveled everywhere even in the past thousand years. Fascinating to see where they originated, where they have been, and where they are now.

Carolyn

Clan Tarnawa and yDNA

andersm0 — Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Author: andersm0

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Dorothy,
My own Polish ancestral roots are linked to Clan Tarnawa. The surname is Galezowski. Polish clans were military brotherhoods rather than related through blood. So you could get many names who used the Tarnawa CoA and only a few would be related. I believe there are over 80 different family names claiming allegiance to Clan Tarnawa. Recent yDNA testing from FTDNA shows our family haplogroup is I1. Strongly prevalent in Scandinavia and all along the northern rim of Europe from Scotland over to Poland. The incidence of the I haplogroup drops off quickly as you go south though I vaguely recall seeing a concentration somewhere in the Balkans.

Marlene

DNA and Nicholas Copernicus Grave

Dorothy — Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:43 pm

Author: Dorothy

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:43 pm

Carol,
I had my Mt-DNA test several years ago. It was done by Sorensen Molecular Genealogy; however the profile was sequenced by Gene Tree.
Both of these are now owned by Ancestry. I am contemplating having the results transferred to Ancestry so that I might do some further
testing.

Since this was several years ago and the level of testing was minimal, the results are what are called "deep ancestry," which provided only one match in Poland. I am contemplating having a more complete sequence done to narrow the results.My son is now going to have his Y-DNA tested and because my husband's family is from Lithuania, I do not expect that
"deep ancestry" will show a different haplogroup. We shall see.

My haplogroup is U4, apparently not very common amongst Poles. Through my genealogical research, I now have documentation that my family is connected to the Tarnawa clan. This has been a family story which until a few years ago was merely a joke in the family.

I am in contact with a few people of this family and it seems that the more information I gather the closer I get to the fuller story. Of course, this means that while there may be a noble connection, there are also some shadows that get light shed on them.

I would be interested in hearing from others who may be willing to share about their haplogrouping.

Thank you.

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

Shellie — Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:28 am

Author: Shellie

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 2:28 am

Even though this thread, and the news about discovering the grave of Copernicus was posted in 2008, the story is very interesting, especially Carol's discovery that her DNA results show a family relationship to the famous astronomer!

I love the facial reconstruction that was done with the skull unearthed from his grave - it is very interesting to see Nicholaus Copernicus as a 70-yr old and compare it with portraits of him as a younger man. More information about Copernicus at the Visit Torun website: http://www.visittorun.pl/232,l2.html

Blog entry that mentions the DNA results and also how scientists suggest that Copernicus had blue eyes: http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/07/y-chromosome-mtdna-and-eye-color-of.html

The facial reconstruction led to chatter about the resemblance between Copernicus and actor James Cromwell. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=copernicus+Cromwell&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Carol, have you found the names that link your family tree with Copernicus? I would love to see it!

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

Zenon — Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:32 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:32 am

According ot Polish wikipedia http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodzina_Miko%C5%82aja_Kopernika Katarzyna Kopernik, sister of Mikołaj, was the only who extended Kopernik genealogical lineage marrying Bartłomiej Gertner from Kraków. They had five children: Katarzyna, Krystyna, Regina, Jerzy and Albrecht.

Gertner family lived in the former Koperniks family house. Katarzyna's husband paid a rent for the house to Barbara, Mikołaj's (and Katarzyna's) sister.

Their daughter Katarzyna married Toruń's merchant Andrzej Wachsschlager. Krystyna, like her mother's sister joined an order in Chełmno. But she escaped from there with Kasper Stulpawitz, drummer from Królewiec, who she married later.

DNA

carolt71 — Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:20 pm

Author: carolt71

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:20 pm

http://www.familytreedna.com/certificates-and-reports.aspx

HERE IS FAMILY TREE DNA INFO--PERSONALLY I AM IN SHOCK! Copernicus had one sister kATARYNA WHO MARRIED BERTHAL GERTNER. ANYONE KNOW THE NAMES OF THEIR GIRLS? LOVED JAMES PHOTO-THANKS CAROL

Re: DNA and Nicolaus Copernicus grave

Zenon — Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:36 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:36 am

This had to be so exciting for you, Carol

Have you seen Nicolaus Copernicus (or in Polish Mikołaj Kopernik) house in Toruń on picture taken on our common Tour with James a few months ago: http://blog.polishorigins.com/2009/05/20/my-second-visit-to-poland-forefathers-traces-tour-with-james-day-6/

Did you do the same as the lady in this video

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DNA testing

carolt71 — Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:03 pm

Author: carolt71

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:03 pm

I had my MT DNA done by family tree DNA. The only problem with testing is it is expensive. They do have sales and if you're interested I would call them and ask them to e-mail you when they have a sale or special. I had initial testing, then second level, then a testing that breaks down the haplo groups are little further. The only thing you really have to do is swab the inside of your mouth. They send you a kit with instructions that are very easy to follow. Upon submitting your sample you let them know if you give them permission to be able to compare matches with other people. To make a long story short-I found I match or people in Germany and in England and only one in Poland. I know I have a great grandmother who is German, however, a rest is a mystery. Any questions don't hesitate to ask! Carol