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Re: Last Place of Residence

Linda — Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:30 am

Author: Linda

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:30 am

Hi Zenon,

Great pictures! Thanks for posting them here.
Checked out "Shellie's Tour" before as you recommended in a previous email.
Learned a lot! Her story was wonderful because she was able to meet live
relatives on her trip. She also had a lot of information for others as far as names go.
You are an "awesome tour guide" Zenon!

Re: Last Place of Residence

Zenon — Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:36 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:36 am

Great job Bill Genealogy search has a lot to do with detective work, hasn't it Bill

I attach three pictures from Żywiec square market which we visited on the last year's Forefathers Traces Tour with Shellie and Jerry. You can also read and see pictures on our Blog http://blog.polishorigins.com in 'Shellie's Tour to Ancestral Places' chapter: http://blog.polishorigins.com/2009/07/12/11-shellies-tour-to-ancestral-places-day1/ .

As you mentioned Bill, Żywiec is well-known in the whole Poland from tasty beer as well as Golec uOrkiestra band (more about the music group, including video clips: http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=269 ).

Below photos from Żywiec (click on the pictures to enlarge).

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:31 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:31 pm

Thanks Bob,
I use to be police officer in Ohio for many years. Class of 74, taught by FBI agents at Kent State. I think that had a lot to do with my persistence. Plus I have this genealogy bug that I can't rid of for the last 30 years. <grin>

Re: Last Place of Residence

BobK — Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:59 pm

Author: BobK

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:59 pm

Hey Bill, you'd have made a great programmer. That's the kind of "Debugging" skills needed..

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:19 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:19 pm

The manifest in question and you can see how I did it.

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:57 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:57 pm

(Since this post may be of interest to others I have copied my answer in ref. to Linda's search which I sent her via personal email) Bill

Linda, Today I looked again at your data as I haven't heard from Mateusz in Poland yet. I studied a map that I had of Galicia and looked for more clues on your manifest list. That Terval place name was driving me crazy so I concentrated on it. So I studied how this form taker wrote his letters on other lines. I then found he wrote the word "Polish" with the same letter as in "T"erval. So I changed that letter to Perval, Pevel, Pawel, etc. The person on the next line was going to Jelesina, Galicia. So I then knew from past experience that many people traveled together from same towns a lot of the time, and on your list I looked up that town. Bingo- I found it in Galicia, south west of Krakow. I also noticed another person further down on the list was from "your unk. town" and studied how he wrote this info also. But then I noticed a big difference in the spelling of the town name, and I came up with Pewel. The second letter is definitely an "E" and also the 4th one.

So I went back to a map and slowly zoomed in on Jelesnina, SE of Zywiec. Then as I zoomed in again I saw it, Pewel Mała, like in the other person's line. So I thought this is close enough that it has to be it. But when I went to Google and got another map I really got excited, I found PEWEL ŚLEMIEŃSKA just above Pewel Mała just as it is written on your form. (I had "slowieuska" in my last email to you). THIS IS IT, I"M POSITIVE! (The Ł in Mała has a line through it so it looks like a T, this is the Polish letter Ł)

It looks like a little mountain village. The biggest town to yours is Zywiec, which is very, very famous for their BEER! It is sold all around the world and doesn't taste to bad in my opinion. Google Zywiec and you will see how pretty and famous it is. You must go there someday. Bill

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:47 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:47 pm

Linda, check your email, sent you a bunch of stuff. (check your spam folder also as I might be in there first)

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:47 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:47 pm

Linda,

I did some studying tonight on your data and I have indeed found your town!!! Your are definitely a "Goral" - yay! Polish Goral are Mountain Folk from Southern Poland. I have tons of information on them because I am one myself. They even speak a different dialect of Polish that regular Poles don't even understand. They are very famous even today as they still wear the old costume of the Polish Goral even in daily work in 2010. Welcome to our Goral family!

Nie ma za co,
Bill

PS- I have your email address so I will be sending you all the details. I need to make you a chart, map and add all the goodies in for you.

PSS- wait till you hear some góralska muzyka = goral music, you'll love it. LOL

Re: Last Place of Residence

Linda — Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:28 pm

Author: Linda

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:28 pm

Hi Bob
Thank you for checking this for me. I am glad you cleared that up about the towns and nationality. I am
starting to make sense of these details. Thanks for all your helpful tips too!
Thank goodness I love to read, (I will just have to give up sleep to get it all in!)

Re: Last Place of Residence

Linda — Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:21 pm

Author: Linda

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:21 pm

I am overwhelmed by all the support and kindness! THANK YOU BILL!
I appreciate all your time helping me find some real answers, and learning so much along the way.
My email is: lindabilek6@yahoo.com

Re: Last Place of Residence

BobK — Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:14 pm

Author: BobK

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:14 pm

No, not related.. But finding the Manifests from the temp file of Internet Explorer is so easy...

Re: Last Place of Residence

drphil — Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:29 pm

Author: drphil

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:29 pm

Hello Bob,
Thanks for the info on how to capture a screen image. I have often wanted to do this but never knew how. Very useful information.

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:21 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:21 pm

Bob, I already have the documents in question, I'm just going to send a copy to Linda with the info I have deciphered. Are you related to the person in question also?

Re: Last Place of Residence

BobK — Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:21 pm

Author: BobK

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:21 pm

Be careful using the town or nationality given. My own relatives used either the largest nearby city, or the central town of their province. They *DID* give the correct address (town) of their contact. Though Russia 'ran' Poland, some say 'ruled', many emigrants would leave the country blank, many would give "Russia", and others either "Poland, Russian" or "Russia,Poland" .
I hadn't noted many giving "Poland, Austria" or "Poland, Prussia".. The politics varied, as well as people's attitudes toward their being ruled.

One onther thing, Use Steve Morse's "Gold Form" to search. He gives you MANY MORE ways to find your relative's name. I once
searched for everyone coming from my great grandfather's village and got a number of 'hits'. You can't do that from the Ellis Island web site! http://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html

Bob

Re: Last Place of Residence

BobK — Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:11 pm

Author: BobK

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:11 pm

Linda: I have both pages of her manifest. Write me so I have your ID to send them to you..

For everyone (how I get them):

To obtain a copy of the manifest (could be one or two pages - depends on when !).. bring it up on your screen, enlarge it.
THEN,
1: Use a program that can 'capture' your screen, such as "IRFANVIEW" (google it, download the program, install it - if you don't
already have it! it's a VERY useful tool)

2: If you know how to go to your Internet Explorer's (or whatever) TEMP files, the manifest image will be named TIFGIF[x].GIF
(where the x can be 1, 2, 3, etc depending on how many others you've also downloaded. Copy it from the TEMP file area
to any where you want it).

Bob Krampetz
my id is my Surname on AOL dot COM site (obscure to keep spammers from searching for ID's)

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:04 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:04 pm

Whew! I'm hoping the kid on line 04 is traveling with your Regina right now. I know exactly where he is from. He is a Goral like me. Keep your fingers crossed that is good. Anyway I sent a copy to my friend in Poland to see what he think it is, he speaks Polish , Goral, German and Russian. It's 3 am over there so we will have to wait. So far I have Pawel slowieu slowieuska p Powasinasa gal. But that gal is GALICIA, that is for sure. Send me your email address so I can send you a copy of the document.

Re: Last Place of Residence

Linda — Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:36 pm

Author: Linda

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:36 pm

You are AMAZING!
This is so exciting!

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:29 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:29 pm

Well I did, it only took a minute to help you and I'm glad I did, as it states right on the record where she is from! Happy days for you, she is Polish. Austro-Hungary is correct but she's from Galicia!!! Still working on the other names/info. How did I do so far?? hahah

Re: Last Place of Residence

Linda — Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:06 pm

Author: Linda

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:06 pm

Her name was REGINA SZWED
She spoke Polish.
She was on the ship KROONLAND out of ANTWERP, arrival date August 16,1910
She was single and 20 years old.
Austria, Polish Pawelslemien Austria
manifest line #0003
you don't need to look this up, (thanks) just your understanding of it is helpful

Re: Last Place of Residence

Bill Rushin — Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:50 pm

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:50 pm

What is the names to look for on the manifest then? Did your relative speak polish or german? And what time frame was this/