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Jan Zadenski in Wroblowka/Czarny Dunajec

Ute — Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:05 pm

Author: Ute

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:05 pm

cath wrote:

Ute,
Do you have any information about Jan Zadenski, or similar spelling, who was a lawyer in 1896 in Wroblowka/Czarny Dunajec? Thank you! cath

Unfortunately not, cath. I found some Zadenski families in the US, e.g. a John Zandenski, wife Kathy, from Galicia -- https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3AZadenski~ but couldn't find a connection to Wroblowka/Czarny Dunajac.
Ute

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

cath — Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:35 am

Author: cath

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:35 am

Ute,
Do you have any information about Jan Zadenski, or similar spelling, who was a lawyer in 1896 in Wroblowka/Czarny Dunajec? Thank you! cath

Catherine Tuz

cath — Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:47 pm

Author: cath

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:47 pm

I am happy to report that The LDS Church records from Jaryczow Nowy have information about my family! Catharina Tuz, was born 28 Aug 1840 to Gregory Tuz, son of Andreas Tuz and Catharina Kuzminska, and Marianna Kaczorowska, daughter of Joannis Kaczorowska and Agnetic Poszewska!

Re: Surname Chlebowski

PolishLibrarian — Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:26 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:26 pm

dsmsinww wrote:

Ute and PolishLibrarian (Ginny),
I read your posts regarding the Nowy Targ region and a search for Polish surnames. Thank you for taking the time to share this information. I am also researching the Chlebowski surname. I have traced my great-grandfather, Anthony (Antoni) Chlebowski to Nowy Targ. He emmigrated to the United States in 1904. Ute, you mentioned that you would post information for the Chlebowski surname. I would also be interested in that information. Ginny, perhaps we should chat more to discover if we are searching for the same branch of the Chlebowski family tree?
Michelle

Michelle~ I'll reply to you offline this weekend. I really don't know any more than what I posted here - Chlebowski just turned up in those baptismal records I saw. ~Ginny

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

PolishLibrarian — Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:24 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:24 pm

Ute~ Thank you for reporting so promptly on the Trabka and Chlebowski surnames, listing all of the variant spellings of my various surnames, and the summary of documents and dates that Bubak covered in his book. I appreciate the effort and your willingness to share the info. from your copy of the book.

I see that Rogoznik is on the road between Ludzmierz and Czarny Dunajec so this could be my family - since my great grandmother was born in 1848 in Ludzmierz, this organarius in the 1807 book of births could be her grandfather. One never knows!

On my grandmother's side, one of her nephews, who died in 2009, was a church organist in Kielce. For his 44 years of service to the church he was awarded the Medal Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice by Pope Benedict XVI.

There may be organists in both my paternal Polish lines, but the talent certainly didn't trickle down through the generations! ~Ginny

Re: Surname Chlebowski

Ute — Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:35 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:35 am

dsmsinww wrote:

Ute and PolishLibrarian (Ginny),
Ute, you mentioned that you would post information for the Chlebowski surname. I would also be interested in that information.

Michelle,
please see my message to Ginny re: the Chlebowski surname.
Ute

Trabka and Chlebowski in Bubak's books

Ute — Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:29 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:29 am

PolishLibrarian wrote:

That would be great if you could do Trabka and Chlebowski when it's convenient for you. Feel free to send me a private message rather than posting here, unless you think it would also be of interest to others. Again thank you for sharing this great resource. ~Ginny

Ginny,
I took the time and looked up the surnames Trabka and Chlebowski in Bubak's books for you: Trabka was listed 1722, 1741, and 1765 in the book of births in Waksmund. Variations of the surname Trabka are Tramka, listed 1765 in the book of births in Waksmund; Tromka, listed 1767 in the book of births in Nowy Targ; Trampka, listed 1769 in the book of births in Waksmund; Trombka, listed 1801 in the book of births in Gronkow; and Trapka, listed 1805 in the book of births in Waksmund. Trabka was also found in the books of registration in Czarny Dunajec and Ostrowsko (years not given).

There was only one entry for the surname Chlebowski in Bubak’s books: Chlebowski, organarius, listed 1807 in the book of births in Rogoznik.

An organarius is a musician, who knows, perhaps you have a famous Podhale musician in your family tree.
Ute

Surname Chlebowski

dsmsinww — Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:23 pm

Author: dsmsinww

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:23 pm

Ute and PolishLibrarian (Ginny),
I read your posts regarding the Nowy Targ region and a search for Polish surnames. Thank you for taking the time to share this information. I am also researching the Chlebowski surname. I have traced my great-grandfather, Anthony (Antoni) Chlebowski to Nowy Targ. He emmigrated to the United States in 1904. Ute, you mentioned that you would post information for the Chlebowski surname. I would also be interested in that information. Ginny, perhaps we should chat more to discover if we are searching for the same branch of the Chlebowski family tree?
Michelle

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

Ute — Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:10 pm

Author: Ute

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:10 pm

PolishLibrarian wrote:

... what sources did Bubak use to create these lists and what is the timeframe covered? I was assuming he wasn't going to the churches and using those records.

Ginny,
Bubak’s books are written in Polish, but a lady who speaks Polish was kind enough to translate some paragraphs of the introduction for me some years back when I had the same questions you have now. If one of your names is listed in Bubak’s books at a certain year I guess it means that Bubak found an entry, e.g. a birth/baptism, marriage, or death, for this name in the respective church book at this time. The information given in his books doesn’t seem to go beyond the years 1850, later records were most likely protected by privacy law.
In the introduction it says that Bubak started his research in October 1965, and that he collected data from the books of registration that each village had to have, from the church books of 18 parishes, from the ‘Archiv Kurii Metropolitarnej, Cracow, from Nowy Targ court books, and so on. He lists the parishes he went to, which of the church books he examined there, and indicates which church book was in which parish resp. archive at the time (1965). Since a village may have belonged to different parishes during different periods, this is interesting to know for researchers who have trouble finding their ancestors in a certain parish. The lists extend over more than two pages and are too long to transcribe, I can only scan the pages and post them or e-mail them to those interested in seeing them.
Ute

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

PolishLibrarian — Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:05 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:05 pm

Thank you Ute. I suspected Chabowka might be too far north.

So I guess this tells me that there were Babczakiewicz living in this area possibly as far back as 1652 and Pajerski back to 1762 or so. Do you know if this means there should be written records in the District Archives? I assume this is where Bubak found these names. Or, I guess a better question is, what sources did Bubak use to create these lists and what is the timeframe covered? I was assuming he wasn't going to the churches and using those records.

That would be great if you could do Trabka and Chlebowski when it's convenient for you. Feel free to send me a private message rather than posting here, unless you think it would also be of interest to others. Again thank you for sharing this great resource. ~Ginny

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

Ute — Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:22 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:22 am

PolishLibrarian wrote:

My grandfather was born in Nowy Targ in 1885. Would you be willing to look up some surnames for me? Specifically Babczakiewicz (Babczak) and Pajerski. Details I found when in Nowy Targ in 2009: My grandfather's father was Jozef Babczakiewicz (although some of the family baptism records show Babczak) son of Andrzej Babczak and Tekla Trabka. His mother was Maria Pajerska (born in 1848 in Nowy Targ) daughter of Jakub Pajerski and Katarzyna Chlebowska (her father N. Chleboski of Ludzmierz and mother Katarzyna Sopinska). Do you know which villages are included in the Nowy Targ District in this book? My grandmother was born in Chabowka near Rabka Zdroj about 15 miles north of Nowy Targ, so I'm not sure if this area would be included in the book.

Ginny,
The following villages are included in Bubaks books: Banska; Bialy Dunajec; Bustryk; Bor; Brzegi; Bialka Tatrazanska; Bukowina; Czarny Dunajec; Chocholow; Ciche; Dlugopole; Dzianisz; Dzial; Gliczarow; Gron; Gronkow; Jastrzebie; Klikuszowa; Koniowka; Koscielisko; Krauszow; Lasek; Lesnica; Leszczyny; Ludzimierz; Lopuszna; Maruszyna; Miedzyczerwienne; Male Ciche; Morawczyna; Murzasichle; Niwa; Nowy Targ; Obidowa; Odrowaz; Olcza; Ostrowsko; Podczerwone; Pieniazkowice; Poronin; Pyzowka; Ratulow; Rogozik; Stare Bystre; Sadel; Skrzypne; Suche; Szaflary; Ustup; Waksmund; Witow; Wroblowla; Zab; Zakopane; Zaluczne; Zaskale.

Vol. I of Bubak’s books contains a map of the region that illustrates the location of the respective villages. It shows Chabowka, but unfortunately the village is located too far north and is not included within the area Bubak researched.

The surname Babczakiewicz was listed in Bubak’s books: Babczakiewicz in the liber natorum (book of birth) 1731, 1743, and 1761 in Nowy Targ and in the 'ksiazka meldunkowa' (book of registrations) in Nowy Targ; the spelling Babcziakowicz was listed 1678 in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ and in the 'Ksiega sadu wojtowskiego miasta Nowego Targu. Archivum Powiatowe w Nowym Targum' in 1688 (the books are written in Polish, if I understand it correctly, this was a Nowy Targ court book). Alternate spellings of the name Babczakiewicz are Babczakowicza, Babczakowiczowi (which occurred 1688 in the 'Ksiega sadu wojtowskiego miasta Nowego Targu' again), and also Babczak.

Babczak was listed 1652 in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ, Bapczak 1663 in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ, Babcak 1725 and 1726 in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ, Babczak again 1739 in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ, and also in the libri natorum in Niwa (1805) and Waksmund (1803). It was also found in the 'ksiazka meldunkowa' in Bialy Dunajec and Niwa.

The surnames Paierski resp. Pajerski were listed in 1762, 1765, 1773, 1782, and 1805 in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ, Pajerski in the 'ksiazka meldunkowa' in Nowy Targ and Waksmund, Peierski was listed 1761 also in the liber natorum in Nowy Targ. The name was also spelled Pejerski.

I didn't find Sopinski/Sopinska, but the names Trabka and Chlebowski. If you like, I'll transcribe the information for Trabka and Chlebowski some time later when I have a little more time.
Ute

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

PolishLibrarian — Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:17 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:17 pm

Ute wrote:

There are two volumes, written in Polish, published in 1970 resp. 1971. The title is “Nazwiska Ludnosci Dawnego Starostwa Nowotargskiego” which means (freely translated) "Family names of the former population of the Nowy Targ district". Ute

Hi~ Just an FYI. I just checked the Family History Library Catalog. They do own these two volumes and they are available on microfilm for borrowing. Title in their catalog is "Nazwiska ludności dawnego starostwa Nowotarskiego" (one letter different from what Ute typed).

Ute~ My grandfather was born in Nowy Targ in 1885. Would you be willing to look up some surnames for me? Specifically Babczakiewicz (Babczak) and Pajerski.

Details I found when in Nowy Targ in 2009: My grandfather's father was Jozef Babczakiewicz (although some of the family baptism records show Babczak) son of Andrzej Babczak and Tekla Trabka. His mother was Maria Pajerska (born in 1848 in Nowy Targ) daughter of Jakub Pajerski and Katarzyna Chlebowska (her father N. Chleboski of Ludzmierz and mother Katarzyna Sopinska).

Do you know which villages are included in the Nowy Targ District in this book? My grandmother was born in Chabowka near Rabka Zdroj about 15 miles north of Nowy Targ, so I'm not sure if this area would be included in the book.

Thank you. ~Ginny

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

MDuplaga — Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:05 pm

Author: MDuplaga

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:05 pm

Ute,

Thank you for taking the time to check the names for me!

MaryAnne

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

Ute — Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:58 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:58 am

MDuplaga wrote:

Ute,
Thanks for the explanation about the books.
Would you please check the following names for me?
1.) Duplaga
2.) Szuba

Thank you,
MaryAnne

MaryAnne,
I checked your names in Jozef Bubak’s books, but neither Duplaga nor Szuba are mentioned. In the introduction to Bubak's books it says that his research focussed on the history of family names in the district of Nowy Targ, with some exceptions:
- He did not include names composed of the first name and a last name that consisted of the place of origin (e.g. Jacobus de Marusina. It says that names like that were often used until up to 1630 and, in single cases, beyond that time for women);
- Names of the lesser nobility that came from outside the Nowy Targ starostship (so called szlachta, a privileged class with origins in the Kingdom of Poland);
- In the 19th and 20th century names of migrants who worked in the mines that existed in the Tatra Mountains in former times (however, names of foreign migrants in the 17th and 18th century were included in the books);
- Austrian civil servants in Nowy Targ (in single cases, their names appeared in the records with a clear remark that they were Slovak, Czech or Hungarian).
An exception were names of people who played a role in the history of the region, e.g. the last names Klajn (derived from the German name Klein?) and Homolacz.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help to you.
Ute

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

MDuplaga — Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:52 am

Author: MDuplaga

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:52 am

Ute,
Thanks for the explanation about the books.
Would you please check the following names for me?
1.) Duplaga
2.) Szuba

Thank you,
MaryAnne

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

Ute — Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:47 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:47 am

MDuplaga wrote:

Ute,

Please tell us about the source book by Josef Bubak. Apparently it is written in Polish. Are there many volumns or just a couple? Is it a rare book that is difficult to find?

Thank you,
MaryAnne

MaryAnne,
There are two volumes, written in Polish, published in 1970 resp. 1971. The title is “Nazwiska Ludnosci Dawnego Starostwa Nowotargskiego” which means (freely translated) "Family names of the former population of the Nowy Targ district". I found the books in the Dept. of East European History at our University Library many years ago when I started researching my paternal grandfather’s ancestors in this region. They are out of print, but I made Xerox copies of both volumes and am willing to do lookups any time.
Ute

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

MDuplaga — Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:21 am

Author: MDuplaga

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:21 am

Ute,

Please tell us about the source book by Josef Bubak. Apparently it is written in Polish. Are there many volumns or just a couple? Is it a rare book that is difficult to find?

Thank you,
MaryAnne

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 1850s

cath — Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:23 am

Author: cath

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:23 am

Thank you very much, Ute!
I appreciate this very much.

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 18

Ute — Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:38 pm

Author: Ute

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:38 pm

Ute wrote:

cath wrote:

Onufry Idzik married Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec. Their children are
John Idzik, b. 28 Jul 1871
Joseph Idzik, b. abt 1800

Are there any records or knowledge of the Idzik and Tuzow families?

Thank you.

I did a lookup for another name in a book by Jozef Bubak on surnames in the district of Nowy Targ, and came across an entry for the name Idzik in Szaflary: Luca Idzik de Makow, 1649, LC (liber copulatorum = book of births), so the name Idzik occurred as early as 1649 in Podhale. However, no further information, and no entry for the name Tuzow.

Source: Bubak, Jozef (1970): Nazwiska ludnosci dawnego starostwa Nowotargskiego, Wroclaw-Warszawa-Kraków: Zaklad Norodowy Imienia Ossolinskich Wydawnictwo Polskiej Akademii Nauk, vol. 1, p. 139.

I just saw I made a mistake -- LC = liber copulatorum = book of marriages and not book of births. Sorry!

Re: Onufry Idzik and Katarzyna Tuzow in Czarny Dunajec in 18

Ute — Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:55 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:55 am

cath wrote: