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Re: Truchon name origins

katarzyna_t — Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:40 am

Author: katarzyna_t

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:40 am

TruchonE wrote:

Does anybody know where the name Truchon came from? It's French in origin, is it not? (Frank Anthony Truchon is my grandfather.)

Hello TruchonE,

Surname Truchon might come from given name Trukhon, Trukhan, used in the Orthodox Church (Greek Τρύφων (Trýphōn), τρύφή (tryphḗ), “softness, effeminacy”.

Here you can find a map of the surname Truchoń (variation with the diacritical mark "ń") distribution: https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Trucho%C5%84
You can see that the most people bearing this surname live near Nowy Targ.

See what records with the surname Truchoń are available in Geneteka: https://geneszukacz.genealodzy.pl/index.php?search_lastname=Truchon&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&bdm=&url1=&w=&lang=pol&op=se

Sources

Best regards,
Katarzyna

Truchon name origins

TruchonE — Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:43 am

Author: TruchonE

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:43 am

Does anybody know where the name Truchon came from? It's French in origin, is it not? (Frank Anthony Truchon is my grandfather.)

Dzielski from Dzial

fdzielski — Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:27 am

Author: fdzielski

Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:27 am

Greetings! My grandfather was born in or near Dzial in 1890. His name was Franciszek Dzielski, my father was Frank Dzielski Jr and I am Frank Allen Dzielski. I would love to find my great grand parents names and any siblings grandpa may have had. I can be reached at fdzielski@gmail.com if you have any questions or perhaps are a relative of mine. Thank you!

Dzial

Mehrlich99@yahoo.com — Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:34 am

Author: Mehrlich99@yahoo.com

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:34 am

Hi Shellie,
I saw your post about Dzial. My grandfather was born there and I believe lived there until he emigrated to Chicago around 1893. His surname was Dzielski. I never met him as he died years before I was born. My aunt and uncle visited Dzial in the 1970’s and found lots of relatives including one of my granfather’s brothers who was well into his 90’s. Everyone rolled out the red carpet for the American visitors even though this was 80+ yrs after my grandfather left! I was always touched by this story. Thanks for the Ellis Island tip. I’ve never found a naturalization document, but this might narrow it down.
MaryOE

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

mikefagan — Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:34 pm

Author: mikefagan

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:34 pm

I have that Vincent's wife Mary died on that date but I don't see the record of how I knew that. The 'Dobrzyniecka' name is odd because I have plenty of records showing that was Stanley's wife's maiden name.

After Vincent died she married Mike Blenka, so both the Dzielski and Blenka names make sense. Not the Dobrzyniecka name. It would be really odd that she has the same maiden name as her son's wife.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

Cheri Vanden Berg — Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:10 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:10 pm

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18777592
If your Mary died in March 20, 1963, the above link shows her maiden name is Dobrzyniecka! I am happy to be wrong in this case, but interesting that Dzielski was in quotation marks...

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

mikefagan — Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:56 pm

Author: mikefagan

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:56 pm

Thanks so much. The numbers do match those shown on his petition for naturalization, so it was him and not a baby girl It will be very interesting to see what Marya's actual maiden name is for sure. I thought that Dzielska might mean what you said when I saw it on the passenger list but wasn't sure.

As for relatives, I hope something turns up. I haven't had too much luck with the Dzielski line to date but I'll keep plugging away. At least you taught me about the numbers on the manifest. Thanks again Cheri.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

Cheri Vanden Berg — Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:18 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:18 pm

Jan Dzielski could have possibly been Vincent's father, but the relationship to Marya says father, not father-in-law. There can be mistakes on manifests, but I found it interesting that Mary's children's marriage records have her last name as Dzielski, where as, I believe that the records usually have the maiden name of the mother.

I do think that Marya 11 months old has got to be your grandfather. There are numbers by "her" name, maybe 7-146824 and 8-7-40 Did your grandfather become a citizen in 1940? Sometimes they went back and put numbers on the manifests. At some point, they were supposed to check that someone applying for citizenship came when they said they did. Does that first set of numbers match any records that you have?

I hope someone that you are related to finds you by reading this. It took at least a few years, but I did get one cousin from Poland, and one cousin from the U.S. who wrote to me about my Lenart side of the family, and one cousin from the U.S. write about my Depa side.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

mikefagan — Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:27 am

Author: mikefagan

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:27 am

Hi Cheri,

You confirmed what I found, that Vincent came over first - the confusing part for me was not finding my grandfather's name traveling with his mother. He also would have been 13 months old so the 11 months that they show made me scratch my head. On my grandfather's paperwork it shows he came on June 7, 1910 as Jan Dzielska.

The contact in Poland I saw was father, grandfather Jan Dzielski. Could that have meant Vincent's father? It confused me because that was my grandfather's name and I couldn't see how they left him behind. The children match up: Stanislaw - Stanley Honorata - Henrietta but not Marya.

I have been unable to find Vincent's death record. Marya remarried a Mike Blenka and I have found various info on their children (my grandfather's half brothers and sister but nothing of her parents and such.

I'm hoping that someone is related to my great grandfather Vincent and has some info to share. It was really nice of you to respond so quickly. Thank you.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

Cheri Vanden Berg — Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:08 am

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:08 am

Hi Mike,
Yes, it looks like Marya arrived June 7, 1910 with her children, going to her husband Wincenti in Chicago. Her contact in Poland was her father Jan Dzielski. The children are listed a Stanislaw age 4, Honorata age 2, and Marya age 1. I imagine there was a mistake, and Marya was supposed to be your grandfather. Wincenti arrived Dec 19, 1909. It said he had been here before, with the dates 1905/1906. I didn't find him arriving them. I found a Wincenti arriving in 1907, going to Gallitzen PA. There was a Stanislaw above him on the ship manifest. This could all be found at the Ellis Island site.

Do you have Vincent's or Mary's death records? They might contain their parents' names. If Mary married again, the church marriage record might have her parents' names. Unfortunately, I don't believe you will find records from Dzial online, or filmed by the Church of the Latter Day Saints. in our area of Poland (my grandmother was born in Zaluczne) the records would be in the church they attended, or the records could be in the Krakow Archdiocese Archives (if they were sent there like they were supposed to).

Cheri

Need help with another Vincent Dzielski

mikefagan — Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:23 pm

Author: mikefagan

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:23 pm

Hello,

I've been researching my family history and have just started really digging into my mom's side of the family. My great grandfather was Vincent Dzielski - born abt 1879 in Galicia, died in 1911 in Chicago, IL. (I have seen plenty of info on the Vincent mentioned in this thread who died in 1959 but not for my great grandfather) Vincent was married to Mary, who was born abt 1885 in Poland and died in Ohio in 1963. Vincent and Mary had three children while still in Poland. Stanley, born 1906, Henrietta, born 1908, and my grandfather John born May 10, 1909 in Dzial.

They came to the US shortly after - I think Vincent came to the US in 1909 and the rest of the family in 1910. They had a brief stint in Chicago before moving to Ohio. I'd be so thankful for some help.

Mike

Myrda family

taraba — Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:16 pm

Author: taraba

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:16 pm

So far I've found a branch of my family tracing back to Dzial. Their father was Wincenty Myrda and mother was Anna Bachleda. The children were Jan (1884), Jakub (1888), Piotr (1889), Antonina (1891) and Aniela(1897). There's also another brother that I found in a passenger list as Jan Myrda traveling to his brother Jan Myrda. I don't know if that's a transcription error or if there were two brothers named John. My grandmother had talked to her father-in-law, John Myrda, about his family and wrote down years later that the siblings were John, Jacob, Peter, Stanley, Andrew, Antoinette and Angeline. Unfortunately I was called by my uncle's names and father's name a lot when I was a kid so I don't know if those are right or wrong. Most of them match up.

I found most of the family traveling to the US. Peter and Jacob travel to Chicago, IL. John, Antonina and Aniela travel to Gallitzin, PA. Eventually they also go to Chicago, IL. I don't find the second John anywhere. I'm not sure if he died or if there was a transcription error and he's really Stanley or Andrew.

Some of the siblings I found in the Dziennik Chicagoski death notice and I'm waiting for that those to see what names are listed.

I also found a brother of Vincent and his family from Dzial. Their father was Stanley Myrda and mother was Magdelena. The children which came to the US, as far as I've found, were Justina (1877), Jakub (1881), Agata (1885), Jan (1887) and Aniela (1898). It appears they traveled to Chicago, IL, Gallitzin, PA, Welland, Ont and New York.

I haven't located the name of Vincent and Stanley's father and mother yet. I think there was also another brother but he might have lived in Morawczyna. I found one person coming from there and listing a Jacob as a cousin and a mother who wasn't Magdelena or Anna. They could have been half siblings of one of these families but I haven't worked any of that out yet.

I'll edit this if I can when I get more information.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

antonina1 — Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:12 pm

Author: antonina1

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:12 pm

Unfortunately, in Poland there is of her death . And do you know when Andrew Dzielski came to the US. Maybe his mother came with him.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

antonina1 — Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:19 am

Author: antonina1

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:19 am

Cheri,
Yes Anna name Bachleda Księdzularz. Friend in Poland called to the parish may know something. Thank you all for your help.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

Cheri Vanden Berg — Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:11 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:11 pm

I have looked a little for Anna's passenger list, but I haven't found it yet. I haven't seen anything that has had her birth date on it. Anna's father had two surnames? I have seen that surname combination online. I think there is at least one person in Zakopane with the Bachleda Księdzularz name. I think they must be a relative of yours because it is a rare name.

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

antonina1 — Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:00 pm

Author: antonina1

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:00 pm

Thank you for your response . Dzielska Anna was born in Zakopane . Her parents were Jacob Bachleda Księdzularz and Teresa Gąsienica. She came to the USA in 1905 . Maybe someone found her passenger lists . Is there somewhere in her date of birth ? In 1910 he was 27 years old .

Wedding Seasons

dnowicki — Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:23 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:23 pm

Cheri,

Catholic marriages did not take place during the two penitential seasons, Lent and Advent, because the festivities of a wedding were not in keeping with the somber character of those seasons. Weddings also did not take place during the octaves of the feasts of Easter and Christmas so basically there were no weddings during parts of the months of February and April and not at all during the month of March---the exact "weddingless" dates depended on the variable dates of Ash Wednesday and Easter. It is also safe to assume that no weddings took place during the month of December. Wedding friendly time began after January 6 and ran until Ash Wednesday and then began again after the first Sunday after Easter and ran until the first Sunday of Advent. However, in rural Poland, although Church law permitted weddings for much of the year, the actual times when most weddings took place was dictated by the busy seasons on the farm. People generally married during the"down times" of farm life---January until the beginning of Lent (before spring planting started) and the months of October and November (after the autumn harvest was over). Weddings did take place in late spring and during the summer as well as in early autumn, but the vast majority of couples didn't want to marry during the times when their friends and relatives were too busy with farm work to give the wedding celebration their full attention.

Dave

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

Cheri Vanden Berg — Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:37 am

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:37 am

Dave, I appreciate what you've added. When I saw the marriage date, and then didn't find them in the PGSA marriage index, I thought maybe they had gotten married by a judge. Since Catholics didn't do that because their marriage wouldn't be recognized by the church, I tried to look at various churches in their neighborhood. I don't know that I would have been as diligent as Polish Librarian to find the February church record. I did know that priests did not marry people during the Advent/Christmas season (?). It looks that way in the church books. My mom didn't want to get married until she was 20. She turned 20 on 3 Dec 1955 and married on 7 Jan 1956. Oh, and I should add that my advice about getting the application for a marriage license, or the 30 Dec 1907 marriage record would not shown the church they married in like I thought it would...Cheri

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

dnowicki — Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:37 am

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:37 am

Antonina, PL & Cheri,

Perhaps Antoni's death certificate may help to clear up what happened to his wife Anna. Cook County vital records are available from the County Clerk's Office and can be obtained for a $15.00 fee plus $1.75 for the company that runs the service by going to www.cookcountygenealogy.com and following the instructions. It is an instant gratification service. As soon as the fee is paid a digital image of the certificate will be sent. Attached is the page listing Dzielski vital records. (As a side note...The early birth, marriage & death certificates have been filmed by LDS and for about a month or so when Family Search began posting such films online they were available gratis. The images were taken down at the request of the Cook County Clerk---free images cut into the county's income.)

The reason the marriage was not indexed on the PGSA site is because Cyril & Methodius parish was founded in 1891 as a Bohemian ethnic parish but later a lot of Poles were members of the parish. I went to high school with quite a few Poles who were from that parish.

The notation PL mentioned in the church marriage register reads: "Matrimonium 30 Decembris 1907 coram judice conjugaverunt." and is translated as "They were joined in marriage before a judge on December 30, 1907." It doesn't tell you anything you don't know from the civil license and certificate. However, according to Catholic Church law the marriage before the judge was invalid due to lack of canonical form. (Marriage between to Catholics had to take place in the presence of a priest and two witnesses to be recognized as valid.) As far as the Catholic Church was concerned the date they were validly married was the date of the church wedding. Technically, the church wedding was referred to as a validation of a civil marriage.

Dave

Re: Dzial near Czarny Dunajec in Malopolskie

antonina1 — Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:02 am

Author: antonina1

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:02 am

My friend with the Polish call to the Registry Office . In Poland, the birthplace of Andrew and Joanna . Andrew was born 1910 in Dział, Joanna was born 1914 in Dział. Maybe Anna was in Poland with her daughters Angela and Joanna.