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Re: Parent's Consent

dnowicki — Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:29 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:29 pm

a4u2fear wrote:

thanks dave ,i'm keeping you busy haha

in the attachment, i believe, there isn't a last name shown for this child Nicolas or his parents Adalbert and Catherine. Am I right?

Hi,

You are correct. No surname appears in the record for the child and his parents. (Although surnames do appear for both sponsors, commonly known as godparents.) Even during the late 18th Century not all Polish peasants had/used a surname.

Merry Christmas.

Dave

Re: Parent's Consent

a4u2fear — Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:13 am

Author: a4u2fear

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:13 am

thanks dave ,i'm keeping you busy haha

in the attachment, i believe, there isn't a last name shown for this child Nicolas or his parents Adalbert and Catherine. Am I right?

Re: Parent's Consent

dnowicki — Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:09 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:09 pm

a4u2fear wrote:

this should be easy, but i can't figure it out. i'm sure this is saying maybe the groom's parents gave consent? anything helps me determine if they're still alive.

Hi,

The text reads: "sponsus liber sponsa sub potestate parentum" which is translated: "the groom is free/emancipated (from parental control); the bride is under the control/authority of (her) parents." The parents of the bride are living. It is not clear whether the parents of the groom are still alive or not. He may be emancipated because he is living on his own, although his parents are alive, or because his parents are deceased.

Dave

Re: Parent's Consent

a4u2fear — Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:07 am

Author: a4u2fear

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:07 am

this should be easy, but i can't figure it out. i'm sure this is saying maybe the groom's parents gave consent? anything helps me determine if they're still alive.

Re: Parent's Consent

a4u2fear — Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:17 am

Author: a4u2fear

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:17 am

great info. thanks dave this helps

Re: Parent's Consent

dnowicki — Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:00 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:00 pm

a4u2fear wrote:

Thanks Dave.

For the death of Matthew Zulke #80 in the attachment, does anything indicate he is a widow?

Hi,

The given name of the deceased is Maciej (Eng.: Mathias) rather than Mateusz (Eng.: Matthew). In Latin the two given names are quite similar—Mathias and Mathaeus (also spelled Matthaeus). However, they are two distinct names and are not interchangeable. To answer your original question...He was a widower. (That info is found in the column with the heading “Status Mortui”/State of Life/Condition/ Status/etc. of the deceased. The Latin word for a widower is viduus, vidui, m. and appears in that column. The record also states that he died of “hydrops”, which during the 19th Century was commonly known as dropsy and today is called edema. The final column lists his surviving children: Krystyna (Eng.: Christine), Marcin (Martin), Katarzyna (Catherine), Maryanna, Dorota (Eng.: Dorothy), and Andrzej (Andrew). That column also states that he was a pauper at the time of his death.

I hope this helps you.

Dave

Re: Parent's Consent

a4u2fear — Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:58 am

Author: a4u2fear

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:58 am

Thanks Dave.

For the death of Matthew Zulke #80 in the attachment, does anything indicate he is a widow?

Re: Parent's Consent

dnowicki — Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:56 am

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:56 am

a4u2fear wrote:

Is the attached picture from a marriage say both parents of the bride are alive and gave consent?

Hi,

It does state that both parents of the bride gave consent and thus were alive at the time of the wedding. The Latin is: Cum consensu parentum sponsae—"with the consent of the parents of the bride." Parentum is the Genitive Plural form of the noun parens and thus includes both the mother & the father of the bride.

Dave

Parent's Consent

a4u2fear — Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:42 am

Author: a4u2fear

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:42 am

Is the attached picture from a marriage say both parents of the bride are alive and gave consent?