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Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

Sophia — Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:48 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:48 am

dnowicki wrote:

Sophia wrote:

Hi Dave,
I think you have it exactly right with Grzybno. Nice!
Thanks for confirming my guess about the date. You know, once you learn how to de-code this stuff, it's a lot less mysterious!
(On a side note, you may want to give your keyboard a good vacuuming. It seems to have typed "November" when I'm sure you told it to type "September").
Best,
Sophia

Hi Sophia,

Actually it is my multitasking skills that need some work. I was a bit premature in my congratulations. The date really is November 8, 1813. The entry is die 8va 9bris (the 8th day of November). If the old keyboard were not cooperating for it to be October 8, 1813 the Latin shorthand would have to be die 8va 8bis or in full text die octava Octobris.

I guess I'll have to change your grade from A+ to B+. Keep practicing those Arabic numerals and be glad that we don't have to use Roman numerals for multiplication and division and to write millions, billions, etc. The Roman numeral system symbolized large numbers by adding bars above the symbols. E.G. ten million would be X with two bars. We have a lot for which we should be grateful to the Arab world.

Dave

Hi Dave,
It's OK, I can live with a B+. I'll just keep on trying!
All I could tell for sure was that at the top of the page the priest abbreviated the names of the months as Jul and Aug and at the bottom of the page Januar, so I knew we needed to fit in between those. I'll have to watch for it, in future, when a numeral is used to represent the month that it won't line up with the way I now use numerals to represent months. So very interesting.
Thanks,
Sophia

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

dnowicki — Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:28 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:28 pm

JGwizdowski wrote:

dnowicki wrote:

Sophia wrote:

A big thank you, Dave, and to you Sophia. Grzybno makes perfect sense, and as for the Latin translation...I'll believe whatever you tell me, Dave!

Dziękuję!

Joe,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I wouldn't deliberately lead you astray.

I hope the new year is treating you well.

Dave

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

JGwizdowski — Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:10 pm

Author: JGwizdowski

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:10 pm

dnowicki wrote:

Sophia wrote:

A big thank you, Dave, and to you Sophia. Grzybno makes perfect sense, and as for the Latin translation...I'll believe whatever you tell me, Dave!

Dziękuję!

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

dnowicki — Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:48 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:48 pm

Sophia wrote:

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

Sophia — Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:16 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:16 pm

Hi Dave,
I think you have it exactly right with Grzybno. Nice!
Thanks for confirming my guess about the date. You know, once you learn how to de-code this stuff, it's a lot less mysterious!
(On a side note, you may want to give your keyboard a good vacuuming. It seems to have typed "November" when I'm sure you told it to type "September").
Best,
Sophia

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

dnowicki — Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Sophia wrote:

JGwizdowski wrote:

Sophia wrote:

JGwizdowski wrote:

I would be grateful for help in deciphering the village name indicated on the 7th record down. It is the marriage record for Andreas Kromka and Marianna Nehring.

I also need clarification on the date.

Thank you for your help...and Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku!

I read it as Grzywno. It is quite some distance from the other villages on that page, though.
Regarding the date, I cannot say. Ah, Latin!
Best,
Sophia

Thank you, Sophia. I have a similar response! Yes, it is a far distance from Bobrowo!
Joe

Hi Joe,
OK, I think I understand the date now. 8 September 1813.
Sophia

Hi Joe & Sophia,

According to the Słownik geograficzny, Grzywno was about 1 mile from Brodnica and 2 miles from Jabłonowo (Pomorskie) on the road between those two locations, which puts it near Bobrowo. Evidently it no longer exists under the name Grzywno. Could it possibly be Grzybno on contemporary maps? Here is the link to the Słownik http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_II/901 It is the final Grzywno in the left column.

Sophia, Congrats on understanding the date. What is in the text is “die 8va 9bris” which written in the words of that most beautiful of languages is die octava Novembris (on the 8th day of November). O carissima lingua Latina, O pulcerissima lingua nostra, ad multos annos, gloriosque annos vivas!

Dave

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

Sophia — Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:50 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:50 pm

JGwizdowski wrote:

Sophia wrote:

JGwizdowski wrote:

I read it as Grzywno. It is quite some distance from the other villages on that page, though.
Regarding the date, I cannot say. Ah, Latin!
Best,
Sophia

Thank you, Sophia. I have a similar response! Yes, it is a far distance from Bobrowo!
Joe

Hi Joe,
OK, I think I understand the date now. 8 September 1813.
Sophia

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

JGwizdowski — Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:11 pm

Author: JGwizdowski

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:11 pm

Sophia wrote:

JGwizdowski wrote:

I read it as Grzywno. It is quite some distance from the other villages on that page, though.
Regarding the date, I cannot say. Ah, Latin!
Best,
Sophia

Thank you, Sophia. I have a similar response! Yes, it is a far distance from Bobrowo!
Joe

Re: Help Deciphering Village Name

Sophia — Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:50 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:50 pm

JGwizdowski wrote:

I read it as Grzywno. It is quite some distance from the other villages on that page, though.
Regarding the date, I cannot say. Ah, Latin!
Best,
Sophia

Help Deciphering Village Name

JGwizdowski — Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:14 pm

Author: JGwizdowski

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:14 pm

I would be grateful for help in deciphering the village name indicated on the 7th record down. It is the marriage record for Andreas Kromka and Marianna Nehring.

I also need clarification on the date.

Thank you for your help...and Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku!