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Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:09 am

Author: zefir454

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:09 am

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hi Jozef,

Yes, that is the same record I found. That is why I posted the links for the Hudson County and the Archdiocese of Newark. You can only get the record through the archives.

I also found 1940 census for John and Alice but his age in 1940 does not match with a birth date of 1889 and the census gives his place of birth as New Jersey - not Poland. So I don’t think that 1937 marriage is him.

Question - how are you related to Jan Plosk

Cynthia

This is not my relative, but a friend whom I help.

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:05 am

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:05 am

Here is the 1940 census I told you about... age and place of birth doesn’t line up with your Jan Ploski.

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:56 am

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:56 am

Hi Jozef,

Yes, that is the same record I found. That is why I posted the links for the Hudson County and the Archdiocese of Newark. You can only get the record through the archives.

I also found 1940 census for John and Alice but his age in 1940 does not match with a birth date of 1889 and the census gives his place of birth as New Jersey - not Poland. So I don’t think that 1937 marriage is him.

Question - how are you related to Jan Ploski?

Cynthia

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:22 am

Author: zefir454

Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:22 am

On familysearch.org, I found a New Jersey Marriage Index from 1937 with a record of Alice Rudoski's wedding with John Ploski. I wonder where you can find their wedding record? Only archive?

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:47 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:47 pm

Hi Jozef,

Here is a link to the New Jersey Department of Health where you can order a search for the 1937 marriage record:

https://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/order-vital/genealogical-records/

Or, you can try contacting the Archdiocese of Newark to request a search of Sacramental records:

https://www.rcan.org/

Perhaps your friend in the USA can do this for you.

Best,
Cynthia

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:45 pm

Author: zefir454

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:45 pm

Thank you, Cynthia! It's good idea. I try.
Jozef

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:34 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:34 pm

Hi Jozef,

That photo and the location of the studio is a clue. Ancestry.com has a record from the New Jersey Marriage Index:

Name: John Ploski
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1937
Marriage Place: New Jersey, USA
Spouse: Alice Rudoski

Based on the dress in the photo, it could date to 1937. The next step would be to contact the city of Bayonne and request a search for this marriage application and record. I will post contact information for Bayonne, NJ a bit later. Once you get this marriage record, you can verify if it is your John Ploski by the names of his parents which should be included in the record.

It is the most logical next step based upon the information provided with the photo.

Best,
Cynthia

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:56 pm

Author: zefir454

Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:56 pm

I received a wedding picture of John Ploski. Unfortunately, I don't know the year. I only have information that this photograph was taken by Chester's Polonia Studio Bayonne NJ.

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:28 pm

Author: zefir454

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:28 pm

Here is the birth record of Jan Płoski (John Ploski) in a nutshell.

It happened in the Krasnosielc parish on October 27, 1889 at 1pm. 27-year-old Franciszek Płoski appeared in the presence of Jan Cupryn and Józef Kruk who lived in Buda Przysieki and told us that on October 25 this year at 1 pm a male child was born from his wife Rozalia née Kruk who was baptized name Jan.

Thank you so much for all your help so far, I will try to answer all questions tomorrow, because it is almost 1.30 am in Poland. I will ask my friend if he has any photos about John, they would be very useful. Best wishes from Poland

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:39 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:39 pm

NY Passenger list for Jan Rudka page 2

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:37 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:37 pm

here is New York passenger list page 1 for Jan Rudka

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:33 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:33 pm

Hello Jozef,

Some questions for you:

1. You said you had information and records for him from Poland. I saw the 1889 index for his birth in Geneteka (and also for the birth of his siblings). The index shows his parents as Francizek Ploski and Rozalia Kruk (as you told us). Do you have a copy of his birth record that has been translated? If so, can you give us the full date of his birth? There are many people in the USA with the same name of John Ploski living in New York, Massachusetts, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. Having the full date of birth could help narrow the search. It was very common for immigrants to travel to nearby counties and even cross state lines for work. He was single when he first arrived, so he could have moved around looking for work. Having his full date of birth would be helpful.

2. Do you have any family stories about him? Sometimes the smallest piece of information can help find him in the USA. A photograph with a studio name and location? A postcard or letter?

What I have learned in my search for Jan Ploski:

1. According to the Hamburg passenger list (see attached), He was traveling with another man, Jan Rudka, from Hamburg to the USA. The New York passenger list for Jan Rudka (see attached) shows he was also from Budy and he was going to his cousin, Stanislaw Bialczak in Wilmington, Delaware. So, Jan Rudka and Jan Ploski were both from Budy, traveling together, and had the same cousin - Stanislaw Bialczak.

2. Stanislaw Bialczak moved from Wilmington Delaware to Binghamton New York between 1910 - 1913. I know this because Jan Ploski arrived in the US in 1910, and I saw a marriage record for Stanislaw Bialczak in Binghamton, NY for 1913. So, he had to move between 1910-1913.

3. The first document that places John Ploski in Binghamton, New York is the 1915 New York State Census that I posted for you earlier in the thread. So it seems likely that Jan Ploski followed his cousin, Stanislaw Bialczyk, to Binghamton.

4. That same 1915 New York State census shows Jan Ploski was living in the same house as Peter Ploski and his family. I don't know how/if they are related.

5. I provided you with the link to the Broome County marriage records for 1908-1935 earlier in this thread. I looked through them all and did not find any marriage record for John Ploski. So, he either: 1. married later than 1935; 2. moved and married in another county or state; 3. died before he ever married; 4. returned to Poland.

That is all I have found. Please let us know if you have his full birth date or any other piece of information that can help narrow the search.

I will post the passenger list images separately.

Best regards,
Cynthia

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:21 am

Author: zefir454

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:21 am

Springfield, Massachusetts. Rather, it doesn't suit me. He was still living around New York. It wouldn't fit.

Re: John Ploski

Sophia — Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:16 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:16 am

zefir454 wrote:

My American colleague Dan Jeski, who is also helping me, sent me this document. This is the 1925 Hudson (Columbia) census. At number 40, John Ploski, 31, and his wife, Helen, 24 are mentioned. This does not match the actual date of birth. However, I assume it could be him.

Hi Jozef,
Yes, this does not match his birth year. However, it does agree with when he immigrated (column 8 shows he has been in the U.S. for 15 years, so he arrived in 1910).
Column 10 says he became a naturalized citizen in 1919, in the county court in Springfield, Massachusetts.
Did you expect your John Ploski to have lived in Massachusetts at all?
Sophia

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:10 am

Author: zefir454

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:10 am

My American colleague Dan Jeski, who is also helping me, sent me this document. This is the 1925 Hudson (Columbia) census. At number 40, John Ploski, 31, and his wife, Helen, 24 are mentioned. This does not match the actual date of birth. However, I assume it could be him.

Re: John Ploski

lindqm2 — Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:56 pm

Author: lindqm2

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:56 pm

There was a John Ploski that married an Anna Banas 9Jan1922 in Syracuse.

His WWII Draft Registration says he was born in Wasily Zygny

The 1940 Census and the Draft say he was born in 1895-ish, but I've seen most of my Polish ancestors shave a few years off their age after coming to the states.

Also, I noticed that with my ancestors, many of the dates and months are slightly off on draft registrations.

Hoping this is your guy!

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:32 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:32 pm

In case you are interested: the marriage records for Broome County, New York are available online at Family Search for 1908-1935. I checked them and there is no marriage record for John Ploski. Perhaps he married after 1935 or in another county or perhaps he died and never married?

Here is the link in case you want to check my work and look for yourself:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/316039?availability=Family%20History%20Library

best,
Cynthia

Re: John Ploski

dnowicki — Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Sophia wrote:

Jozef, there are two graves for Plasky at Saint Stanislaus Kostka Cemetery in Binghamton, one for Mary and one for Teofil.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/79611571/mary-h_-plasky

Hi Sophia & Cynthia,

Under the spelling Ploski Peter, Mary, & Frank—possibly the same family on the census— have memorials on Findagrave at St. Stanislaus Cemetery. Frank’s date of birth on the stone matches the Frank on the 1915 State Census. The link: https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2241762/memorial-search?firstName=&lastName=ploski&page=1#sr-79667670

Dave

Re: John Ploski

zefir454 — Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:42 pm

Author: zefir454

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:42 pm

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hello,

Here is another clue. It is a New York state census from 1915 (see attached). John Plosky is shown to be single and living as a boarder in the home. If you look at the image, you will see the address for him in the census is the same address for the family that precedes him in the list - Peter Plosky and his family.

The age seems to line up for him, and it is the first document that places him in Binghamton, Broome County, New York.

I will keep looking.
Cynthia

Thank you very much! I hope it's him. Everything points to it.

Re: John Ploski

mcdonald0517 — Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:10 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:10 pm

Hello,

Here is another clue. It is a New York state census from 1915 (see attached). John Plosky is shown to be single and living as a boarder in the home. If you look at the image, you will see the address for him in the census is the same address for the family that precedes him in the list - Peter Plosky and his family.

The age seems to line up for him, and it is the first document that places him in Binghamton, Broome County, New York.

I will keep looking.
Cynthia