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Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

jewell-legal@telus.net — Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:50 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:50 pm

Hi Jim,

I appreciate your excellent advice and will send out a Friend request.
Thank you,

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

jimpaprocki — Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:24 am

Author: jimpaprocki

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:24 am

It depends how active they are. If their last post was 20 Apr 2012, then chances are slim. But it appears Oliwia is active (even though her Photo page is not), so give it a try. Try a Friend request and include a short message in that request.

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

jewell-legal@telus.net — Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:48 am

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:48 am

Hi Jim, This is a great suggestion so really appreciate this!

Several days ago, I did send out a Facebook request to similar surnames with Naglik in the area. I did up a nice message in Polish via messenger. I assume if I haven't received any reply in a few weeks if the person is active on FB, it's unlikely I'll hear back from them. I know everyone is different in responses, but I assume others have tried this, so just wondering how long to give this approach before moving on. I appreciate any insight as expect others have had experience with FB and searching this way.

Much appreciated any thoughts and I liked your suggestion a lot, but just wondering if this gets results for those who may have tried this.

Thank you,

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

jimpaprocki — Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:15 am

Author: jimpaprocki

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:15 am

Now let's skip ahead to present day Poland. A number of years ago you could search on the social media site 'Nasza Klasa,' Our Class in Poland. It may still exist, but many of the participants have moved. To guess where? Facebook! So do a search for 'Naglik' and you will find OliwiaNaglikPhoto from Kety, Poland 32-650, with a link to her personal page. She has 1300 friends, 17 are Naglik, with a few from Kety.

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

jewell-legal@telus.net — Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:17 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:17 pm

Hi Sophia,
It was lots of fun to discover this so thank you for finding these Nowa Wies school records! I appreciate you checking the neighboring schools and have noted your comments which are correct and have added these to my research notes.

I will look around for possible parish of the Krysa family, which could have been Krysta in this area.

I'll let you know as I hear more about the vital records and see if I can find out more. I'm glad you enjoyed the video segment.

Keep in touch and all the best,

Adrian

Re: Very interesting Clues!

Sophia — Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:09 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:09 am

jewell-legal@telus.net wrote:

Hi Sophia,

I did follow your instructions, which were excellent and believe I found the 2 pages for the small village school house in Nowa Wies, near Kety. There were a total of 8 school-children with the names Naglik or Naglikowna. More importantly many match names that appear to be part of my family tree, specifically Jan, Ignacy, Franciszek, Anna, and Antonina (twice), and there were only 2 other names in that list in 1926.

The population today of Nowa Wies near Kety (Biala powiat/region) is about 3,200, so fairly small. It is estimated that there are about 60 Naglik families now in the area, so the proportion of Nagliks to village population is very small around 2%, and likely less than that in 1926 as families expand over 3 generations.

I checked the neighboring schools and found no Nagliks in about 5-8 kilometre radius for the others schools. Now returning to my grandfather Jan Ignacy Naglik he was believed to be on a farm very near Nowa Wies, likely in Kanczuga, based on the passenger records of his uncle, Stanislaw Jacuk Naglik, born on April 23, 1886 in Kanczuga, Nowa Wies, Biala. However, Stanislaw Naglik emigrated to Hamtramck, Detroit Michigan in 1903 and had all of his children in the eastern United States including Detroit where he died. So Stanislaw's side has not given rise to these Naglik school children found in 1926.

So in my hypothesis, the 8 Naglik children found as elementary children in grades 3 and 4 are likely the children of Jan Naglik's siblings, possibly a cousin, but more likely 2-3 brothers that we understood he may have had and remained in Poland, while Jan went to Canada in 1930. You'll note that there were 2 Antonina Nagikowna's in the school signatures and I believe this is significant as each brother of my grandfather may have chosen a special commemorative name for these daughters who must come from separate but related families. My grandfather, Jan Naglik, had a prior marriage around 1925 to Filomena and also had a daughter named Antonina born in 1926. So, she would just have been born at the time of the school list in 1926. The unproven assumption at this point is that his 2 brothers, may have also given the name Antonina to each of their daughters as well.

I know from the marriage record of Jan's uncle, Stanislaw Naglik to Anna Klezyk in Oct. 1905 in Delray, Detroit, that Stanislaw's father was Franciszek Naglik. That places my grandfather's grandfather's name as Franciszek Naglik, one of the names in the school records, who could have been named after a paternal grandfather. You'll see that between my grandfather, Jan Ignacy, his grandfather Franciszek, Antonina, and Anna as my grandfather's mother's name that many of the school children's names could have family significance of being named after a close ancestor.

I think these particular school records will prove with time to have some key significance although this will still need to be verified. I'm seeking the Nowa Wies parish records for my grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik, but at this point some possible assumptions are as follows:

The oldest relative Franciszek Naglik, was born around 1856 in Maloposkie region of Poland. Franciszek may have had at least 2 sons:

(1) Stanislaw Jakub Naglik (known as Stanley Jack in Detroit) born on Apr 23, 1886 in Kanczuga, Nowa Wies, Biala. He married Anna mentioned above and is my grandfather's known uncle. Their 8 children are all born in the USA, some in Detroit, but elsewhere as Stanley worked as a miner and other labour jobs.

(2) possibly Ignacy Naglik born on Mar 26, 1878 also in Kanczuga, Nowa Wies, Biala. He had at least 3 sons, one of which could be my grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik born in 1901 in Nowa Wies, Biala. The other two sons may have had several of the children that were registered in the Nowa Wies school house you found in 1926.

The latter points in item (2) are assumptions to be confirmed, but progress and pieces appear to be fitting together as the Nowa Wies puzzle starts to be put together more. I'll continue to work on this and seeing if these theories bear fruit, but there is a further picture starting to emerge thanks to this valuable help (both you and Cynthia ably provided me).

As you can see your research has been very helpful with parts of this puzzle, to be confirmed with the parish records. I did get an e-mail in reply from the chief diocesan archivist for Biala, pointing me to the Nowa Wies parish and the Kety civil records, and older parish archives in Krakow. I've since e-mailed those 3 places, so this is progressing at least.

Thank you so much and if you or others find anything related, please let me know!

Adrian

Hi Adrian,
Excellent! You found them! Isn't this fun?
Your logic about how these names may fit in to your family is very solid.
Since the Biala towns are listed one after another (although not alphabetically) in the Polish declarations images, I did go through them a bit myself and I saw a few more details. In the Nowa Wies school, I counted 9 Naglik/Naglikowna. In addition to the names you listed above, there is a boy Feliks in klasa I, a girl Helena in klasa II and a boy Juljan in klasa IV, but it seems these are names that aren't showing up (yet!) elsewhere in your family tree.
You may want to go take a look at the school in Malec, Biala, where there are additional Naglik/Naglikowna pupils (Wladyslaw, Rozalia, Antoni, Grzegorz and two Zofja's) as well as the name at the top of that page in the box for Trustee, Adam Naglik (so now you have the name of an adult in 1926). Malec seems quite close to Nowa Wies and Kanczuga.
Here's another thought. Marriages happened in the church of the bride, so if you are able to go through these images again and you spot an isolated cluster of Krysa kids, then you might gain a clue as to where to look for a marriage record (if they are farther afield than villages that belonged to the Kety church). If there are Krysa kids in lots of villages, then there is no clue waiting to be found. It's just a thought.
I hope you keep us posted on your progress with obtaining vital records from the church or the archives.
All the best,
Sophia
P.S. I did watch the video, not the entire hour + , but the section relevant to Kety. The old footage from WWI is so fascinating to see. All the more so, as Remembrance Day approaches.

Very interesting Clues!

jewell-legal@telus.net — Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:42 am

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:42 am

Hi Sophia,

I did follow your instructions, which were excellent and believe I found the 2 pages for the small village school house in Nowa Wies, near Kety. There were a total of 8 school-children with the names Naglik or Naglikowna. More importantly many match names that appear to be part of my family tree, specifically Jan, Ignacy, Franciszek, Anna, and Antonina (twice), and there were only 2 other names in that list in 1926.

The population today of Nowa Wies near Kety (Biala powiat/region) is about 3,200, so fairly small. It is estimated that there are about 60 Naglik families now in the area, so the proportion of Nagliks to village population is very small around 2%, and likely less than that in 1926 as families expand over 3 generations.

I checked the neighboring schools and found no Nagliks in about 5-8 kilometre radius for the others schools. Now returning to my grandfather Jan Ignacy Naglik he was believed to be on a farm very near Nowa Wies, likely in Kanczuga, based on the passenger records of his uncle, Stanislaw Jacuk Naglik, born on April 23, 1886 in Kanczuga, Nowa Wies, Biala. However, Stanislaw Naglik emigrated to Hamtramck, Detroit Michigan in 1903 and had all of his children in the eastern United States including Detroit where he died. So Stanislaw's side has not given rise to these Naglik school children found in 1926.

So in my hypothesis, the 8 Naglik children found as elementary children in grades 3 and 4 are likely the children of Jan Naglik's siblings, possibly a cousin, but more likely 2-3 brothers that we understood he may have had and remained in Poland, while Jan went to Canada in 1930. You'll note that there were 2 Antonina Nagikowna's in the school signatures and I believe this is significant as each brother of my grandfather may have chosen a special commemorative name for these daughters who must come from separate but related families. My grandfather, Jan Naglik, had a prior marriage around 1925 to Filomena and also had a daughter named Antonina born in 1926. So, she would just have been born at the time of the school list in 1926. The unproven assumption at this point is that his 2 brothers, may have also given the name Antonina to each of their daughters as well.

I know from the marriage record of Jan's uncle, Stanislaw Naglik to Anna Klezyk in Oct. 1905 in Delray, Detroit, that Stanislaw's father was Franciszek Naglik. That places my grandfather's grandfather's name as Franciszek Naglik, one of the names in the school records, who could have been named after a paternal grandfather. You'll see that between my grandfather, Jan Ignacy, his grandfather Franciszek, Antonina, and Anna as my grandfather's mother's name that many of the school children's names could have family significance of being named after a close ancestor.

I think these particular school records will prove with time to have some key significance although this will still need to be verified. I'm seeking the Nowa Wies parish records for my grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik, but at this point some possible assumptions are as follows:

The oldest relative Franciszek Naglik, was born around 1856 in Maloposkie region of Poland. Franciszek may have had at least 2 sons:

(1) Stanislaw Jakub Naglik (known as Stanley Jack in Detroit) born on Apr 23, 1886 in Kanczuga, Nowa Wies, Biala. He married Anna mentioned above and is my grandfather's known uncle. Their 8 children are all born in the USA, some in Detroit, but elsewhere as Stanley worked as a miner and other labour jobs.

(2) possibly Ignacy Naglik born on Mar 26, 1878 also in Kanczuga, Nowa Wies, Biala. He had at least 3 sons, one of which could be my grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik born in 1901 in Nowa Wies, Biala. The other two sons may have had several of the children that were registered in the Nowa Wies school house you found in 1926.

The latter points in item (2) are assumptions to be confirmed, but progress and pieces appear to be fitting together as the Nowa Wies puzzle starts to be put together more. I'll continue to work on this and seeing if these theories bear fruit, but there is a further picture starting to emerge thanks to this valuable help (both you and Cynthia ably provided me).

As you can see your research has been very helpful with parts of this puzzle, to be confirmed with the parish records. I did get an e-mail in reply from the chief diocesan archivist for Biala, pointing me to the Nowa Wies parish and the Kety civil records, and older parish archives in Krakow. I've since e-mailed those 3 places, so this is progressing at least.

Thank you so much and if you or others find anything related, please let me know!

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

mcdonald0517 — Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:19 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:19 pm

Hi Sophia and Adrian,

Nice work on the historical pieces! It really brings the research alive to have this kind of historical context.

Cynthia

Re: Marshal Józef Piłsudski's 1st Brigade

Sophia — Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:57 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:57 pm

jewell-legal@telus.net wrote:

Hi Sophia,

You had mentioned that the 1915 brigade led by First Marshal and Komendant Józef Piłsudski's 1st Brigade of Legions. A short clip of this route is shown in the 1935 documentary "Banner of Freedom", which starts at 8 minutes 45 sec. to about 9 minutes 30 sec. The documentary goes through Kety but many other Polish cities as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLB6CRz9eaQ&fbclid=IwAR2kA57qvBautnbQjwR0C98hbLTWIZgInQbMWdg_XZKankN_H8Bst5Q9JUU from 8:45 to 9:30 time

Thank you for mentioning this to me and this is rare Polish footage of him leading his brigade during WW I through Poland.

Adrian

Hi Adrian,
Thank you! I will watch this, this evening.
Now, in the same spirit of sharing cool stuff, here is a link for you to follow:
https://loc.gov/collections/polish-declarations/about-this-collection/
It is about a huge project, the "Polish Declarations of Admiration and Friendship for the United States." This project, conducted in 1926, was one in which every school class of young pupils in Poland signed their names to papers which were bound together and presented to the U.S. as a gift for the U.S. 150th anniversary of independence. Scanned images are made freely available online through the Library of Congress.
Now, I could have simply attached the two images that I think will be of greatest interest to you, but I think first I will give you a chance to do the discovering on your own. If you have trouble navigating it, let me know and I can walk you through it. Let me give you a couple of hints, though.
First, once you've read the info on the link I provided, you want to pay attention to two specific things. The first is a link, most of the way down the page, called "Index for Volumes 14-110". You will follow that link, and in that index, find "Nowa Wies" (gee, there are a ton of those in Poland, but you already know that yours is in Biala) and make a note of the volume and the page numbers that relate to Nowa Wies. Return to the link I gave. The second thing to find there is the link to "Volumes 14-100". Follow that link. Find your volume. Find your two pages. Check it out!
Now, spoiler alert, I already went and looked to see if there are any Naglik, and I am reminded to tell you (if you are not that familiar with this) that it was customary in that era for (unmarried) young women to attach the suffix "-owna" to their surnames. So if you see any Naglik, it is a boy, and if you see any Naglikowna, it is a girl.
Since your grandfather was still in Poland in 1926, I have to say he must have known these kids.
Happy hunting!
Sophia

Marshal Józef Piłsudski's 1st Brigade

jewell-legal@telus.net — Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:42 am

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:42 am

Hi Sophia,

You had mentioned that the 1915 brigade led by First Marshal and Komendant Józef Piłsudski's 1st Brigade of Legions. A short clip of this route is shown in the 1935 documentary "Banner of Freedom", which starts at 8 minutes 45 sec. to about 9 minutes 30 sec. The documentary goes through Kety but many other Polish cities as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLB6CRz9eaQ&fbclid=IwAR2kA57qvBautnbQjwR0C98hbLTWIZgInQbMWdg_XZKankN_H8Bst5Q9JUU from 8:45 to 9:30 time

Thank you for mentioning this to me and this is rare Polish footage of him leading his brigade during WW I through Poland.

Adrian

Great historic information!

jewell-legal@telus.net — Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:18 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:18 pm

Hi Sophia,

Thank you for the wonderful historic article about Kety. It is one of the best I've read, and have included a note in my records about the military events in Kety. The article and historic photos were a real joy to see. The photos are right from the era that my grandfather lived there, so it was very nice to see how the city looked then!

The actual Polish language paper Dziennik Chicagoski, February 15, 1916, of the time period is so significant as describes actual events and the unfortunate missing soldiers, including Walenty Naglik. My grandfather would have served in the army likely a few years later but is so helpful to see.

If you notice any other articles about Nagliks in the newspapers, please let me know as it gives valuable context to the family history.

Thank you so much!

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

Sophia — Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:02 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:02 am

Hi again Adrian,

There is a mention of a Walenty Naglik during WWI, here:

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045747/1916-02-15/ed-1/seq-6/

The newspaper is the Polish language paper Dziennik Chicagoski, February 15, 1916, page 6. You will see a headline “Wiadomosci o zolnierzak” (“News about soldiers”) which covers 4 columns on the right side of the page. Look at the third column, find the paragraph of soldiers whose surnames begin with N, and you will see this entry:

“Naglik Walenty, 32 p. obr. kraj. 13 k., z Kańczugi, 1875, zaginał.”

I do not know what the abbreviations “32 p. obr. kraj. 13 k.” mean, however, I expect that this refers to his rank and military unit.
The phrase “z Kańczugi” means “from Kańczuga” and the word “zaginał” means that he was missing in action. 1875 could possibly be a year of birth.

This entire section of names is preceded by the sentence, “O żołnierzach, których nazwiska po dajemy poniżej, biuro wywiadowcze nie ma dotąd żadnej wiadomości” which translates to “The intelligence bureau has no news as yet about the soldiers whose names are listed below.”

I do not know if this Walenty is related to your grandfather, but given the location, I thought it might interest you.

Best regards,
Sophia

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

Sophia — Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:36 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:36 am

jewell-legal@telus.net wrote:

Jan Ignacy Naglik born 1901 near Kęty, Małopolskie, Poland

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Hi everyone,

I am trying to find more information about my Polish grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik, born on October 20, 1901 in Nowa Wieś, Kęty, Małopolskie, Poland, about 80 kilometres south-west of Krakow. He grew up on his family farm around Nowa Wieś, Kęty, and worked on this farm until he was 29, and also served in the Austrian army during this time. Jan was Roman Catholic.

We are not sure of Jan's parents but they may have been: Ignacy Naglik, born on March 26, 1878 in Kańczuga, Nowa Wieś, Kęty, Małopolskie, and Anna Krys (possibly Krysa or Kryst). Jan Ignacy Naglik, the son, immigrated in March 1930 to Canada, arriving in eastern Canada and then moving quickly to Ontario, including the cities of Oshawa, Sudbury and later Toronto. Jan Ignacy Naglik later married Emelia Sokalski in Toronto in 1939. Ms. Sokalski was born in Kopychynsti, Ukraine (then Kopyczyńce, Galicia, Austria) to Jan Sokalski and Franciszka Krolicka.

While Jan Ignacy Naglik settled in Toronto, Canada in 1930, Jan had an uncle, Stanley Jack (Stanislaw Jakub) Naglik who emigrated from Nowa Wieś, Kęty to Detroit, Michigan, United States. Stanley Jack (Stanislaw Jakub) Naglik was born on Apr 23, 1886 in Kańczuga, Nowa Wies, Kęty, Małopolskie, Poland. Stanley Naglik emigrated to Detroit in 1903 and married Anna (Kleczek) Klyczek on Oct 30, 1905 in Delray, Detroit. Stanley Jack Naglik and Anna settled in Hamtramck, Detroit, Michigan and had 9 children, including their son, Stanley Joseph Naglik, born on Mar 11, 1908 in Detroit. The son, Stanley Joseph Naglik, married Stella Anna Mazurkewicz in 1932 in Essex, Ontario, Canada.

We would appreciate any information about these Naglik or Krysa families from Nowa Wieś or Kęty, Małopolskie, Poland. Please help us solve this mystery as to Jan Naglik's parents and family ties.

Thank you for any assistance.

Adrian

Hi Adrian,
I'm not sure whether you have come across this information or not, but here is a link to a very interesting description of the local history of Kety.
https://sztetl.org.pl/en/towns/k/507-kety/96-local-history/67101-local-history
It is rather dizzying, the number of disasters that people had to endure there!
I want to draw your attention to where it mentions WWI, as it talks about a specific brigade (led by Pilsudski himself!) that was reorganized in Kety. You said that your grandfather served in the army but of course that would have been much later, given his birth year. However, if he had older siblings, there is a possibility that they might have served in this unit.
Also a quick hello to Cynthia - - you have done amazing work, as always! I followed through and read the passport application (it is available on FamilySearch, luckily, since I do not have an Ancestry subscription) and the letter that was included was amazing. I have read quite a few letters from Polish families to their emigrant siblings, children, etc and rarely do they contain this kind of detailed info about economic conditions in Poland. What a great piece this was.
All the best,
Sophia

Such Valuable Service!

jewell-legal@telus.net — Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:26 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:26 pm

Hi Cynthia,

You have been so kind, encouraging and generous with all your help! You have also saved time with recommending next steps based on thoughtful historic analysis of Polish research.

Your answers to my questions are very helpful and informative and will help me move forward with this.

All the best, and let Zenon and the broader volunteer team know of my appreciation of this web forum; it is just so invaluable to all these Polish families!

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

mcdonald0517 — Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:07 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:07 pm

Hi Adrian,

You are very welcome. You will find this community to be very experienced, knowledgeable, and willing to help. And, if I may add, you have done very well doing the research on your own up to this point!

To answer your questions:

1. I don't know if the parish of Kety is available in the Warsaw archives. You would have to contact the archive and ask. The previous post on this forum that you refer to seems to indicate they are not in the archives, but that was some years ago - things may have changed.

2. You can certainly try to contact the parish priest on your own and see what happens. In my experience, most of the time, they will not reply, but it doesn't hurt to ask! You may get lucky.

3. I have used the services of both Polish Origins and also the service of a researcher outside of Polish Origins. I found the Polish Origins team to be very reasonably and comparably priced to the independent researcher. They are also very experienced, reliable, and thorough. My husband and I even did a customized genealogy tour with Polish Origins two years ago - the BEST experience ever - so, I am a bit partial. You can refer to a recent post in the forum from Zenon regarding the Polish Origins Genealogy Services for more details. You can contact them, ask your questions, get a quote, and decide for yourself if you want to engage them.

Some additional information on Joseph Naglik:

I found his New York passenger list. In that document, his mother is listed as Zofia living in Nowa Wies, and it says he is going to his father, Ignac, in Detroit Michigan! So, in his marriage record, his fathers name is Jan and in his passenger list it is Ignac - probably Jan Ignac (or Ignac Jan) is his full name. However, this Jan Ignac is not your direct ancestor because the dates don't line up. It seems this family repeated given names in each generation and among the cousins which makes it confusing for researchers. Here is the link to the passenger list; he is line 26 and there are 2 pages to this passenger list so be sure to advance to the next page:

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7488/images/NYT715_1470-0173?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.104250752.165282527.1603320829-8802485.1593995157&pId=4008207170

Finally, since you plan to obtain Jan's marriage record in Ontario, you might want to also order his death certificate. Death records also may have the names of the deceased's parents.

Best,
Cynthia

This is helpful!

jewell-legal@telus.net — Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:00 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:00 pm

Hi Cynthia,

You have been a wonderful help, so thank you!

I really appreciate you sending the records for Stanley and Joseph, and see from these documents that they are not brothers, so that narrows things down.

I liked your suggestion and will request the marriage record.

You mentioned in your earlier information that I may need to hire a researcher to get the Nowa Wies, Kety records. So my questions are:

(1) Do you think the Nowa Wies/Kety parish records are available at the Polish Central State Archives (AGAD) in Warsaw? It looks like from a prior post on this site that the Kety records are not in AGAD.
(2) If I were to e-mail the Kety church parish, with a Polish letter, do the church officials typically respond to e-mails with birth information, or is it worth sending them an e-mail request at all?

I would be interested in your quick thoughts on these questions.

Thank you so much as you have made this process so much quicker and simplified some the next steps.

All the best, and my sincere appreciation for your excellent help!

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

mcdonald0517 — Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:05 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:05 pm

Hi again,

So, I found the marriage records for Stanislaw Jakob (1905) and for Jozef (1910). They were not brothers. They have different parents listed on their marriage records. Here are the links so you can see for yourself:

Stanley

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/9093/images/41326_342378-00620?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.82280670.996699132.1603247850-1386523682.1593733130&pId=694506

Joseph

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/9093/images/41326_342302-00577?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.111692876.996699132.1603247850-1386523682.1593733130&pId=2760572

Do you have the 1939 marriage record for Jan Ignacy? If not, I suggest you request it from the proper county in Canada. His marriage record should list his parents. Then you will know for sure.Here is a link for ordering marriage certificates from Ontario:

https://www.ontario.ca/page/how-get-copy-ontario-marriage-certificate-online#section-5

Best,
Cynthia

Thank you!

jewell-legal@telus.net — Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:27 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:27 pm

Hi Cynthia,

You have been so helpful. I will look at these records shortly.

My assumption so far has been that Ignatz/Ignacy Naglik [born on Mar 26, 1878 in Kańczuga, Nowa Wieś, Kety] may have been the father of my Jan Ignacy Naglik, born in 1901.

I also assume that there may be 2 brothers of Ignatz Naglik who went to Detroit (the first one Stanley Jakub is known to be an Uncle of my grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik):

(1) Stanley Jack [Stanislaw Jakub] who was born on Apr 23, 1886 in Kańczuga, Nowa Wies, Kety, Małopolskie, Poland. He died on May 27, 1972 in Hamtramck, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan. He married Anna (Kleczek) Klyczek on Oct 30, 1905 in Delray, Detroit. They had 8 children including Stanley Joseph Naglik, born in Detroit in 1908, who my grandfather in fact visited in the 1950s in Hamtramck, Detroit. The son, Stanley Joseph Naglik married Stella Anna Mazurkewicz in April 1932 in Walkerville, Essex, Ontario; and

(2) Joseph (Jozef Franciszek) F. Naglik who was born on Oct 4, 1891 in Nowa Wieś, Kety, Małopolskie, Poland. He died in Oct 1969 in Detroit, Michigan. He married Elizabeth Paluch on Aug 18, 1913 in Detroit. They had 3 children: Rudolph, Ignatius James and Stella Elizabeth, all born in Detroit.

I am so appreciative of all your help as this is piecing things together! I thought it best to include all the dates and places to provide this information.

Thank you,

Adrian

Re: Looking for grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik

mcdonald0517 — Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:59 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:59 pm

Hi again,

Here is the link to the first page of the passport document. You can advance through the pages to the handwritten letter. This is not your ancestor, but may be another relative this time from Chicago Illinois.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/1174/images/USM1490_1812-0257?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=27ab5c828872e0de54a5566ba1e1c899&usePUB=true&_phsrc=gDl8&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.127412293.996699132.1603247850-1386523682.1593733130&pId=61680

Here is the link to view the family tree from Poland with Naglik ancestors:

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/52610737/person/13380791222/facts?_phsrc=gDl11&_phstart=successSource

I will see if I can find anything about Jack Stanley.....

Best,
Cynthia

Jan Ignacy Naglik and his Detroit Uncles, Stanley and Joseph

jewell-legal@telus.net — Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:24 pm

Author: jewell-legal@telus.net

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:24 pm

Hi Cynthia,

Thank you for your wonderful advice and all the details searching this. It means so much to us!

You are correct that Jan Ignacy Naglik had at least one Uncle Stanley Jack (Stanislaw Jakub) Naglik, who emigrated to Detroit Michigan around 1903. We believe my grandfather, Jan Ignacy Naglik, may have had another Uncle which you mention as Joseph (Jozef) Naglik [born Oct. 4, 1893 in Nowa Wies, Kety] also who emigrated to Detroit in May 1910. We haven't been fully able to connect these 2 Detroit Naglik lines, but believe Stanley Jack and Jozef Naglik of Detroit may have been brothers.

I am very excited to learn more about this from your excellent research. We believe the Ignatz Naglik you mention could be Jan Ignacy Naglik's father.

Could you send me the entire passport application for Jan Naglik and the letter from his brother in Kety, Poland. I am very excited to review as I have not seen these. I am also interested in the family tree from the Naglik family from Kety, Nowe wies that you mention.

This is so much appreciated! You have been done a wonderful tracking this down for us! If you are able to find out more about Stanley Jacub or Jozef Naglik in Detroit this would be appreciated.

Kind regards,

Adrian