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Brick wall and asking for your theories

KarenJones — Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:32 am

Author: KarenJones

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:32 am

We have extensively researched all US records, those on Geneteka, and have the translations of those in this thread and more.

So, I am going to ask my question in a different way now.

All of the "Paul" siblings have records that indicate they were born in: West Prussia, Walcz, Pila, Schneidermuhl, The Duchy of Posen. However, on the Polish records we found and translated, these siblings had children in and around Mlodzieszyn, Wyszograd, and Sochaczew areas.

I know the possibilities may be endless...but, how do you think these SIBLINGS ended up in those areas if they were born in Pila, Walcz, West Prussia, Schneidermuhl? The children's surnames of these Paul siblings were: Retka (near Warsaw), Piskorski (Mlodzieszyn) and then the other Paul children all around 1880s time frame. The siblings were all born around 1850-1865 time frame.

I am trying to imagine how these siblings all seemed to end up near Mlodzieszyn, had children, then migrated to the US in late 1800s.

Any thoughts?

Re: Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

KarenJones — Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:20 am

Author: KarenJones

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:20 am

marcelproust - thank you. You previously translated these for me through email. I will be sending you a few more translation requests today through email.

To everyone else, thank you for your help. I will hop over to the Latin board and ask about that reference to Leopold.

Much appreciation, Karen Jones

Re: Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

marcelproust — Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:42 am

Author: marcelproust

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:42 am

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hello,

Here is another record from Młodzieszyn that could be the 1892 death record for Herman Paul - Julia’s father. It will need translation to see if the information aligns with what you have.

Here is the link. Select skan at end of line. Select the range for art #98. It is written in Russian script and is act #98 on the page.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=D&w=07mz&rid=D&search_lastname=Paul&search_name=Herman&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable=

Best, Cynthia

Nr 98
Młodzieszyn

It happened in the village of Młodzieszyn, on November 30th/December 12th 1892, at 10 a.m.
Appeared Jan Luksztejn, backsmith, 52 years old and Feliks Lazarek, worker, 56 years old, who live in the village of Młodzieszyn and they declared, that on November 28th/December 10th of the current year, at 3 p.m., died in the village of Młodzieszyn: Herman Paul, worker, 73 years old, son of unknown parents and of unknown place of birth, who left his widowed wife Julia nee Rudnicka, who lives in the village of Młodzieszyn.
After convinced myself about the death of Herman paul, this act was read to the declarants, all of them were illiterate and was signed by Us only.

Priest Antoni Morski, parson od the parish of Młodzieszyn.

Re: Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

mcdonald0517 — Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:41 am

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:41 am

Hello,

Here is another record from Młodzieszyn that could be the 1892 death record for Herman Paul - Julia’s father. It will need translation to see if the information aligns with what you have.

Here is the link. Select skan at end of line. Select the range for art #98. It is written in Russian script and is act #98 on the page.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=D&w=07mz&rid=D&search_lastname=Paul&search_name=Herman&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable=

Best, Cynthia

Re: Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

KarenJones — Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:24 am

Author: KarenJones

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:24 am

Thanks to all. I'll have to do more investigation into Leopold as a given name of her father or her surname. We have not seen that in any of her records, or records for those we believe are her siblings.

Re: Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

marcelproust — Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:27 am

Author: marcelproust

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:27 am

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hello,

You may already have this. Here is a 1887 birth record from the parish of Młodzieszyn for Jozef Piskorski Son of Feliks Piskorski and Julia Paul. At the end of the line, you will see “Skan” which is the link to the digital image. Once you select skan, select the range in the list for act #28. Once the page of the parish book is displayed, it is act #28 on the page. It is written in Russian script. You can post it in the Russian translation forum and request translation. You may find some clues in the record.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=07mz&rid=B&search_lastname=Piskorski&search_name=Felix&search_lastname2=&search_name2=Julia&from_date=&to_date=

Best,
Cynthia

Nr 28
Młodzieszyn

It happened in the village of Młodzieszyn, on March 2nd/14th 1887, at 9 a.m.
Appeared Feliks Piskorski, worker, living in the village of Młodzieszyn, 30 years old, in the presence of Franciszek Gałaj, worker, 25 years old and Michał Zawada, worker, 38 years old, both living in the village of Młodzieszyn, and presented Us a male infant child, informing that the child was born today, in the village of Młodzieszyn, at 4 a.m., of his legal wife Julia nee Paul, 33 years old.
At The Holy Baptism, held today, the child was given the name Józef, and the godparents were: Józef Grochowski and Józefa Gałaj.
This act was read to the declarant and the witnesses and due to their illiteracy it was signed by Us only.

Priest Antoni Morski, parson of the parish of Młodzieszyn.

Re: Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

mcdonald0517 — Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:03 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:03 pm

Hello,

You may already have this. Here is a 1887 birth record from the parish of Młodzieszyn for Jozef Piskorski Son of Feliks Piskorski and Julia Paul. At the end of the line, you will see “Skan” which is the link to the digital image. Once you select skan, select the range in the list for act #28. Once the page of the parish book is displayed, it is act #28 on the page. It is written in Russian script. You can post it in the Russian translation forum and request translation. You may find some clues in the record.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=07mz&rid=B&search_lastname=Piskorski&search_name=Felix&search_lastname2=&search_name2=Julia&from_date=&to_date=

Best,
Cynthia

Re: Help with name of place and other name

Sophia — Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:04 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:04 pm

KarenJones wrote:

I found a baptism record for Veronica Piskorska/Piskorski. I am trying to find the birthplace for her motherJulianna Paul.

On the attached and linked baptism record (7 Feb 1892), please see the reference:
1. "et" Julianna nata Leopold AND,
2. "ex loco" Pila, PR. Zach

I am at a brick wall for Julianna, so any information you can give me regarding the reference to Leopold and the reference to PR. Zach would be greatly appreciated.

The name Leopold is so confusing because we have seen Julianna's father as Herman on several records.

Karen

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4L-19QQ-R?i=226&cat=23389
If you cannot see this record, I have also attached it.

Hi Karen,
It is Piła.
The abbreviation PR Zach is "Prusy Zachodnie," which is Polish for "West Prussia."
Regarding the name, I believe it means that Leopold was Juljanna's (maiden) surname. That's a question of understanding the Latin -- best check with Dave!
Best regards,
Sophia

Adding a note Friday morning 6:30 am. : I'm quite confident that Pr Zach is West Prussia. Just saying.

Help with name of place and other name (Veronica Piskorska)

KarenJones — Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:25 pm

Author: KarenJones

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:25 pm

I found a baptism record for Veronica Piskorska/Piskorski. I am trying to find the birthplace for her motherJulianna Paul.

On the attached and linked baptism record (7 Feb 1892), please see the reference:
1. "et" Julianna nata Leopold AND,
2. "ex loco" Pila, PR. Zach

I am at a brick wall for Julianna, so any information you can give me regarding the reference to Leopold and the reference to PR. Zach would be greatly appreciated.

The name Leopold is so confusing because we have seen Julianna's father as Herman on several records.

Karen

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4L-19QQ-R?i=226&cat=23389
If you cannot see this record, I have also attached it.