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Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

Trish — Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:22 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:22 pm

alexho wrote:

Hi Trish,

I have Steven's Report of Birth. I have Kazimiera's Report of birth and her Certificate and Record of Death.
I have Franciszek Ziemba's naturalization record.
I don't have the obituaries for Edward, Helen, and Estelle.
I don't have the baptismal record.

Please send them and thank you in advance.
Best regads from Denmark.

Hi Alexho,
I sent you a private message with the records.

Regards,
Trish

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:18 pm

Author: alexho

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:18 pm

Hi Trish,

I have Steven's Report of Birth. I have Kazimiera's Report of birth and her Certificate and Record of Death.
I have Franciszek Ziemba's naturalization record.
I don't have the obituaries for Edward, Helen, and Estelle.
I don't have the baptismal record.

Please send them and thank you in advance.
Best regads from Denmark.

Re: I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemb

Trish — Fri Mar 14, 2025 3:32 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 3:32 pm

alexho wrote:

I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemba maidenname Ciesielska. She was born in Poland - Praksedow in 1891 Mother Anna Krygier and father Jozef Ciesielski. Anastazja married Francizek Ziemba 1912 in Poland, Dobrow and came to the United States in 1913. Anastazja. Anastasia left her husband in 1927. Divorce 1930 in Illinois.

Hi Alexho,

I'm still looking to see if I find anything on Anastazja. However, I do want to know if you needed any other records on the Ziemba children?

I have the following:
1920 Census
1940 Census
Steven's Baptismal record
Kazimierz's Baptismal record
Franciszek Ziemba's naturalization record
Obituaries for: Edward, Helen, and Estelle

If you need any of this information, I can send it to you.
Trish

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:59 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:59 am

Hi Sophia
Francizek was asked about what happened on February 4, 1927? What happened when she left you?
He couldn't tell the judge where she went.
That was the last time he and the four children saw her.

Anastazia was not present at the divorce in 1930

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

Sophia — Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:59 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:59 am

alexho wrote:

Hi
No, I have the baptism certificate, marriage certificate and the the divorce papers from 1930.
I don't know if she left the US after she got divorced. Did she remarry and when did she die?

Best regard from Denmark

Hi Alexho,

If you have the detailed records from the divorce in 1930 from the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illlinois, it should say whether she was asking to have her maiden name re-instated. That would tell you whether to search for Anastazja Ziemba or Anastazja Ciesielka in the U.S. records after 1930. Also, whether she had anglicized her name by that point. Anastasia? Anna?

Best regards,
Sophia

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:44 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:44 am

Hi
No, I have the baptism certificate, marriage certificate and the the divorce papers from 1930.
I don't know if she left the US after she got divorced. Did she remarry and when did she die?

Best regard from Denmark

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

BarbOslo — Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:22 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:22 am

Hi
Are you looking for Anastazja's birth record? She was born on December 6, 1891 in Praksedow, and married Franciszek on November 12, 1912.

Regards,
-Barb

I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemba .

alexho — Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:20 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:20 am

I am still looking for information about Anastazja Ziemba maidenname Ciesielska. She was born in Poland - Praksedow in 1891 Mother Anna Krygier and father Jozef Ciesielski. Anastazja married Francizek Ziemba 1912 in Poland, Dobrow and came to the United States in 1913. Anastazja. Anastasia left her husband in 1927. Divorce 1930 in Illinois.

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:19 pm

Author: alexho

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:19 pm

Hi Dave.
Thank you so much .

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:15 pm

Author: alexho

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:15 pm

Hi Cynthia. Thank you so much. It appears from his bitrh/batism record from Dobrów that he was born in 1889. I did not know whether the data (1890) from the other sources were right.
Best regards from Denmark

Re: Michal Ciesielski - son of Jozef Ciesielski and Anna Kry

dnowicki — Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:14 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:14 pm

alexho wrote:

I´m looking for information about Michal Ciesielski.
He was baptized in Dobrów
Great Poland in the year 1889
According to an email from my Polish family, he migrated to the United States. According to her information, he got married and they became one child. He died in a young age.
"Moja mama mówiła, że twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski i Michał Ciesielski (syn Józef Ciesielski i Anna Krygier) uciekli przed carskim poborem do wojska i Aleksander dostał się do Danii a Michał pojechał do USA do Chicago. Pracował tam w rzeźni i młodo zmarł na wyrostek robaczkowy. Miał żonę i małego synka, którzy zostali po jego śmierci. Wyjechał w tym czasie co Twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski. Więcej informacji moja mama nie zna".
From Find a Grave : https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145082898/michael-ciesielski ( I'm not sure if it's the same person)
From Ellis Island : Ciesielski, Michal1913 Policzi, Russia Rotterdam(It could be him, but I'm not sure) Where is Policzi? My Michal is from Police Mostowe, Praksedow or Janow
I have tried if I could find something about his marriage but without success.
Best regards from Denmark

Hi Alex & Cynthia,

I believe that the Find A Grave memorial is for your Michał. The civil death records list his parents as Joseph & Anna and his wife as Frances. This matches the Burial Record from Holy Cross Cemetery in Calumet City. I know that the civil death record states that Holy Cross was in Hammond, Illinois but that can be easily explained. Calumet City was once kinown as Sobieski, Illinois and then as West Hammond, Illinois. The Cook County Marriage Index states that Michael married Frances Golden in 1921. The PGSA indexed his obituary and a copy can be obtained from the society for a fee. Here are links to records which almost certainly are for your Michael.

Holy Cross Burial Record: Holy Cross Cemetery; St. John Section Lot 576 Transferred from Section H Grave 457 on 10 September, 1929
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-69H7-HWH?i=1057&cc=1503083&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2HJ-731G

Civil Death Record: Parents: Joseph Ciesielski & Anna; Spouse: Frances
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3HT-JMZ

Second Civil Death Record Index;Death: 24 May, 1927; Burial: 27 May, 1927 Holy Cross Cemetery; Parents: Joseph Ciesielski & Anna; Spouse: Frances
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLYR-T4CY

Cook County Civil Marriage Index; Date: 21 September 1921 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21J-68V1

Death Notice of Michał from Dziennik Chicagoski https://pgsa.org/people-death/157813/?surname=ciesielski&first_name=&type=wild-card&results-start=20

There is a 1910 Federal Census which could be your Michael. Although that record places him living at 8429 S. Buffalo in South Chicago and working in the steel mill (United States Steel South Works) whereas at the time of his death he was living on Sawyer Avenue there are several clues which indicate that it may be worthwhile exploring the possibility that the Census is for your Michael. Many men who lived in that area worked in the stock yards, which would square with what you were told about his occupation being a butcher. In my opinion, the first clue is that he was buried in Holy Cross Cemetery, which was the cemetery of choice for Poles from South Chicago. Someone who lived on Sawyer Avenue and had no connection to South Chicago would more likely have been buried in Resurrection Cemetery. The second clue is personal to me. I grew up in South Chicago and remember a Golden Family which belonged to St. Michael parish. One member of that family was one or two grades ahead of me in elementary school. The maiden name of his wife was Golden and as far as I remember there was only one extended family with that surname in South Chicago. Anyway, I believe it could be something worthwhile checking. Link to the Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJ5-L9M?i=37&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMKCC-V13

During the time I was in high school during the early 1960s I had a summer job working at Holy Cross Cemetery. Michael’s burial record states that he was first buried in a grave in Section H and two years later was transferred to a lot in St. John Section. The graves in Section H were “term graves” which had a expiration date (25 years after the final burial there). Sometimes families transferred bodies from a term grave to a “perpetual care” grave. All the lots in St. John Section are perpetual care lots. Attached is a map of Holy Cross. Section H is along the fence line on the western edge of the cemetery and St. John Section is near the main cemetery entrance across from the cemetery office.
I hope that you find this information useful.
Wishing you continued success,
Dave

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

mcdonald0517 — Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:31 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:31 pm

Hi Alexho,

I found an indexed record for Michaels death that has enough information to validate this is your ancestor. The image of the actual dear certificate was not available. But, you can order it Online from the Cook County Clerk office Once the offices are reopened - they are closed for COVID. Here is the link to order the certificate

https://www.cookcountyclerkil.gov/service/genealogy-records

Here is the text of the index

Michael Ciesielski
in the Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Michael Ciesielski
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Place: Poland
Death Date: 24 May 1927
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 27 May 1927
Burial Place: Hammond, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Holy Cross
Death Age: 37
Occupation: Laborer
Race: White
Marital status: M
Gender: Male
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name: Joseph Ciesielski
Father Birth Place: Poland
Mother Name: Anna
Mother Birth Place: Poland
Spouse Name: Frances Ciesielski
FHL Film Number: 1877970

Here is the link to the record on Family Search

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3HT-JMZ

Also, this information confirms that the link you have for the Find a grave Is correct.

Best from California,
Cynthia

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

mcdonald0517 — Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:21 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:21 pm

Hello Alexho,

The passenger list you found is your Michael. I am attaching the full document of 2 pages. He is line 8. Note his father is listed as Josef and his destination is Chicago Illinois to his brother in law. Other details on the passenger list line up.

Policzi written on the passenger list is a shortened form of Police Mostowe That was written by the scribe as he heard it. Also, the passenger list confirms his father Josef was residing in Kolo county - same county for
Police Mostowe and Dobrow.

I will post his death information later.

Best,
Cynthia

Michal Ciesielski - son of Jozef Ciesielski and Anna Krygier

alexho — Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:18 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:18 am

I´m looking for information about Michal Ciesielski.
He was baptized in Dobrów
Great Poland in the year 1889
According to an email from my Polish family, he migrated to the United States. According to her information, he got married and they became one child. He died in a young age.
"Moja mama mówiła, że twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski i Michał Ciesielski (syn Józef Ciesielski i Anna Krygier) uciekli przed carskim poborem do wojska i Aleksander dostał się do Danii a Michał pojechał do USA do Chicago. Pracował tam w rzeźni i młodo zmarł na wyrostek robaczkowy. Miał żonę i małego synka, którzy zostali po jego śmierci. Wyjechał w tym czasie co Twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski. Więcej informacji moja mama nie zna".
From Find a Grave : https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145082898/michael-ciesielski ( I'm not sure if it's the same person)
From Ellis Island : Ciesielski, Michal1913 Policzi, Russia Rotterdam(It could be him, but I'm not sure) Where is Policzi? My Michal is from Police Mostowe, Praksedow or Janow
I have tried if I could find something about his marriage but without success.
Best regards from Denmark

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:54 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:54 am

Hello Diane
It was not me who posted the death certificates of Estella and her son Harry.I have been in contact with the poster of the photo and I were in contact with the son.He could not give me further information.

Best regards from Denmark

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

looking for clues — Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:44 pm

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:44 pm

Hello Alexander,

In reading the thread, it appears that one of your objectives is to find descendants of Frank Ziemba and Anastazia Ciesielska.

I notice that there is a picture posted for Anastasia’s husband, Franciszek “Frank” Ziemba on Find A Grave. Have you been in contact with the poster of that photograph? She has Ziemba in her name.

I also looked at the Find A Grave records Anastazia and Frank’s daughter “Estella Frances Ziemba Madura,” death in 1989, and her son “Harry James Madura,” death in 1996. If you haven’t already done so, look at the death certificates under the informant names. It appears that the informants - daughter for Estella and a brother for Harry, are the grandchildren of Frank and Anastazia Ziemba and it may be worthwhile to search for them. I note that these death certificates were posted by the same Find A Grave member that added the photo to Frank’s Find A Grave memorial. (I am being careful not to name potential living people in an online forum.)

In your post of Mar 12, 2012, you say “I hope that xxx Leracz will come with some new information.” Are you (or were you) in contact with the son of Edmund T. Leracy (Leracz) and Helen Ziemba Leracy (Leracz)?

Good luck,
Diane

Anastazia Ziemba photo of her father

alexho — Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:35 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:35 am

alexho wrote:

Hi

Anastazia Ziemba nee Ciesielska: Born 1892? in Janow . Father: Jozef Ciesielski - Mother: Anna Krygier.

1912: Franciszek Ziemba on 30 October/12 November in the Dobrów church contracted a marital union with Anastazja Ciesielska.

Franciszek was survived by his children in 1948.
Was he divorced from Anastazia or was he a widow?
I've tried to find something about Anastazia but without success.

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:42 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:42 am

I´m a litle bit confused Edward and Alice have the same birthday (From family search)

Name Alice Zieba
Event Type Birth
Event Date 28 Aug 1921
Event Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Registration Place , Cook, Illinois
Gender Female
Father's Name Frank Zieba
Father's Age 36
Father's Estimated Birth Year 1885
Mother's Name Anastazya Ciesielska
Mother's Age 28
Mother's Estimated Birth Year 1893
Certificate Number 46305

Name Edward Ziemba
Event Type Death
Event Date 13 Jun 1953
Event Place Chicago Heights, Cook, Illinois, United States
Address 2529 W 45 Pl
Gender Male
Age 31
Marital Status Single
Race White
Occupation Laborer
Birth Date 28 Aug 1921
Birthplace , , Illinois
Funeral Home Gerardi Funeral Home
Burial Place Lyons, , Illinois
Cemetery Resurrection
Father's Name Frank Ziemba
Informant's Name Edmund Leracy

From the United States Census, 1940 was Frank Ziembas Marital Status widowed.
So far I have not succeded in finding Anastazia Ziemba neé Ciesielska death date.

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

alexho — Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:13 am

Author: alexho

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:13 am

Thank you so much Shellie.

They are cousins to Anastazia Ziemba.

Re: Family Ziemba and Ciesielski: Chicago

Shellie — Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Author: Shellie

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Hi Alex!
Attached are the photos that you posted on the photo section of the forum. These are great photos of your ancestors! Thank you for sharing them with us!