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RE: Czepiel in Ma.

yellowooleybear — Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:29 pm

Author: yellowooleybear

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:29 pm

I found this, don't know if it helps anyone. I believe this is the Stella I knew back in Chicopee.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Czepiel&GSiman=1&GSst=21&GRid=87309090&

Re: surname Czepiel

babblingbrook — Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:22 pm

Author: babblingbrook

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:22 pm

Ciaara, have tried to reach out to you before as I am a Czepiel, but no response. Do you have a tree on ancestry.com or anything? I know someone trying to figure out their Czepiel family in Detroit and not getting very far.
Also yellowwooleybear, I know someone working on the Chicopee, MA Czepiels and they would likely love to know about them. So far we cannot link with each other. How can I help? What can you provide etc?

RE: Czepiel

yellowooleybear — Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:22 pm

Author: yellowooleybear

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:22 pm

When I was a little girl in the 50's we knew a Stella and I can't remember her husbands name (sorry). We lived in Chicopee, Massachusetts. They were from Poland and Stella had la long scar down one side of her face and she was very short. I don't know what happened to their family as we moved away when I was a few years old. They did remain in Chicopee for years and had 2 daughters. I remember the youngest, Barbara. She had some physical disabilities and I think Diane was the other girls name. If you want any info. about them I can try to find out what I can, just let me know. Good luck, Carol

Re: surname Czepiel

ciaara — Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:34 am

Author: ciaara

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:34 am

I discovered a website sometime ago that (what I perceived from google translate) highlights the last 100 years of village's Fire Dept and lists many Czepiel. I had previously contacted them in English with no response so I tried a choppy Polish email and rec'd a response!! (albeit its in Polish too haha)

W Łopuszce Wielkiej jest kilka rodzin Czepiel.

Sprubuje popytać rodziny.

Jak bedę miał wiecej informacji to odpiszę.

Osobą z naszego terenu jest również emerytowany ks. Romuald Szumierz z Winnipegu.

Re: surname Czepiel

ciaara — Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:15 am

Author: ciaara

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:15 am

oh Marianne, I would LOVE to connect with you as at this time I don't have much for your grandmother's line.

A quick update for those interested... I went "home" to Saskatchewan to further my research and meet with many relatives that I had tracked down since I started digging around (as I've been working on my entire family tree, I had quite a few graveyards/landmarks/elders to see/meet. In Melville, I was invited to stay and meet with sibling of my great grandmother and was taken around their "stomping grounds" of the time as my Ukrainian side came in 1902 & 1903. I cannot put into words the emotions that overcame me. Just so happened that these relatives knew of my my great grandfather's brother and wife, who just so happened to live around the corner so of course I contacted them to invite myself over (I had previously touched base with them and they knew I was making a trip back to the area) They were ready for me, having collected old photos. even those that my grandmother had sent them of herself growing up as she had her own family (she passed in 2006) They gave to me all photos of my great-grandfather, including one of him as just a child & war pictures that he sent back to his family (I cannot get over how much his son is the spitting image!) I learned a little bit more about how my great-grandparents came together... and of course have some more unanswered questions. I provided them copies of my research, including Antoni's Naturalization papers. I went to pay my respects to Antoni & Stella's graves (hers with a different name, but beside Antoni even though she married after his death)
I'm sad to say that since my return to the real world, I haven't continued my research too much as I needed time to take in all I learned and experienced. And with 2 kids at home, school starting, I've become easily sidetracked... but am keeping in touch with my "new" FAMILY!

Slav: I am certain Stella's last name is either Salamaj or Sałamaj, but continued to hit walls in digging around for her so decided to focus on his surname in hopes of eventually stumbling across her family.

Salsmay - Salamaj?

Slav — Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:32 am

Author: Slav

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:32 am

Ciaara,

Quote:

Thanks for that reference... I too was struggling with the name so asked each of her children what they knew (amazing that I would always get a different variation) and of the ones I have spoken with, I now leaning towards "Salamaj" which I did find reference to as being a Polish name (again, doesn't match with the rumour of her being Irish, but then as per Naturalization record, she was from Poland) so many inconsistencies & rumours

One of the children provided me with copies of her baptismal from the church, all 3 had a different surname of the mother, Sullivan, Salamay, Salamaj. It was from another that I originally got the Salsmay from (which I now believe to be inaccurate)

I wonder how your ancestral detective work is going.
Just wanted to confirm that it is very likely that Salsmay is a misspelling of Salamaj or rather Sałamaj (the l crossed with a slash) - pronounced http://www.ivona.com/pl/?tk=T52AM6ks1M

Here is a link to the map showing the distribution of the name Sałamaj in Poland today:

http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/sa%25C5%2582amaj.html

The present-day distribution of a surname may have little relevance to the locations of your ancestors, but in some case family names "persist" in specific areas for quite a long time.

Re: surname Czepiel

Marianne1978 — Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:36 pm

Author: Marianne1978

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:36 pm

My grandmother, Anne Mildred, was daughter of Anthony and Stella. I have just started my research and would love to gather as much information as I can if anyone is willing to help. Thanks You

Re: surname Czepiel

ciaara — Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:02 pm

Author: ciaara

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:02 pm

magdalenanegron wrote:

4. You stated that Stanislawa's maiden name might have been Salsmay and her father may have been a sea captain. Perhaps Stanislawa was from a seaside village in north Poland....?

"Salsmay" sounds very Anglo-Saxon and nothing like a name of a Polish origin. "Sals" is a Polish surname and means - in a few words - "hot fish sauce" (from salsa). Perhaps the ancestors with that name were cooks? "May" exists in Polish in the form "Maj" and means May - the name of the month. But it would make no sense in connection with "Sals", fish sauce. What makes more sense is "Maz" - which means "to spread" - to spread hot sauce on the fish. "Salsmaz"... does not sound right, kinda weird to be honest, but of course it is possible that it is a real name. Salsman... sounds very germanic or hebrew.

I looked up a list of Polish names - "Salzmann" is the closest I could find to "Salsmay". On a side note, I have noticed that the letters entered in records are often different letters than we think they are. An "e" can be "i" or "c". "Y" could be "n" or "z", and so on.

Well, hope this helps!
Magdalena.

Re: surname Czepiel

magdalenanegron — Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:14 am

Author: magdalenanegron

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:14 am

4. You stated that Stanislawa's maiden name might have been Salsmay and her father may have been a sea captain. Perhaps Stanislawa was from a seaside village in north Poland....?

"Salsmay" sounds very Anglo-Saxon and nothing like a name of a Polish origin. "Sals" is a Polish surname and means - in a few words - "hot fish sauce" (from salsa). Perhaps the ancestors with that name were cooks? "May" exists in Polish in the form "Maj" and means May - the name of the month. But it would make no sense in connection with "Sals", fish sauce. What makes more sense is "Maz" - which means "to spread" - to spread hot sauce on the fish. "Salsmaz"... does not sound right, kinda weird to be honest, but of course it is possible that it is a real name. Salsman... sounds very germanic or hebrew.

I looked up a list of Polish names - "Salzmann" is the closest I could find to "Salsmay". On a side note, I have noticed that the letters entered in records are often different letters than we think they are. An "e" can be "i" or "c". "Y" could be "n" or "z", and so on.

Well, hope this helps!
Magdalena.

Re: surname Czepiel

ciaara — Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:22 am

Author: ciaara

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:22 am

as per the naturalization papers, he states he is from Lopuszka Wielka, Pzreworsk, which I was excited to find still on the map lol

So I have been able to get as far as Lopuszka Wielka, gmina Kanczuga, powiat Przeworsk, woj. Podkarpackie, Poland for the "location"

His wife was from Rzeplin, Jaroslaw (some of her children had told me it was rumoured she was born in Ireland)

Which I have been able to pinpoint as they were less than 10km away from eachother. At this time I haven't had much luck going back into the villages for info, but I am still on the hunt

I have been in contact with the other (Chris2464) from the other thread originating from the same village... unfortunately we're both at a stand still but I would think she'd have better luck with info as her family left Poland much later than mine

Re: surname Czepiel

babblingbrook — Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:49 am

Author: babblingbrook

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:49 am

Hi Ciaara,
Bonnie Czepiel here. Have you gotten anywhere? Can you also tell me of the other Czepiel who hit a wall? Would love to help if I can.

Re: surname Czepiel

ciaara — Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:59 am

Author: ciaara

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:59 am

PolishLibrarian wrote:

Lastly - have you seen this family tree posting on RootsWeb regarding Anthony Henry Czepiel and his wife Stella Marie Salsmay (last update Mar. 15, 2012 00:35:10 UTC - about 2.5 hours ago). http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=armstrongone&id=I21054 (copy & paste this address into your browser, the page should come up). There is a list of their 14 children and death date for Anthony of July 12, 1941. There's a publication source for this info. as well a contact email address for the person who posted the info. and presumably updated it today. In the letter above if you provide the birth year of 1888 for Anthony (he would be 124 this year) that alone should be enough for them to determine is it's the right Anthony and that he would be dead.

Good luck!

First off, my apologies for not responding to this post... yes of course I had previosuly found that link and contacted the owner who it turns out, his aunt (I think) is married to my great-grandfather's brother

I gave the creator all the info regarding "my line" and I see that he has it updated to even include ME! So I did my part to keep the line going

Re: surname Czepiel

ciaara — Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:22 pm

Author: ciaara

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:22 pm

ok, after what seemed like an eternity, I have sitting in front of me... my g-g-grandfathers NATURALIZATION PAPERS! Please bear with me as I try to decipher the poor copy and make out the letters to see where he came from (and it also gave Stella's birthplace!) I will do what I can do pinpoint on map general location and then be back to see if related to any of you

Re: surname Czepiel

PolishLibrarian — Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:48 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:48 pm

ciaara~ Here's a link to one family's story of traveling from Galicia to Preeceville, north of Yorkton SK. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/8y4sysc . And here's a toot-your-horn brochure from Melville SK in 1910 right after it was incorporated: http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=331173

Re: surname Czepiel

PolishLibrarian — Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:07 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:07 pm

Hi ciaara~ I just took a look at the manifest. As Cheri says they are from Galicia and they are roman catholic. Antoni and Stanislawa appear to be traveling with the 4 people below them, as all were going to Yorkton SK (about 41 km NNE of Melville). I would guess they sailed into Canada and then had rail tickets to take them to Yorkton. The family below appears to be Walenty Ciesla 46, wife Lucya 27 and children Katarzyna 6 and infant boy (can't guess the name).

Seems likely the Anton naturalization record would be your Anton - 1924 is 88 years ago. He would have been an adult when he was naturalized so he would be at a minimum 106 if he were alive now. I think if you point that out in your request and you send the $5 they will fill your request.

Lastly - have you seen this family tree posting on RootsWeb regarding Anthony Henry Czepiel and his wife Stella Marie Salsmay (last update Mar. 15, 2012 00:35:10 UTC - about 2.5 hours ago). http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=armstrongone&id=I21054 (copy & paste this address into your browser, the page should come up). There is a list of their 14 children and death date for Anthony of July 12, 1941. There's a publication source for this info. as well a contact email address for the person who posted the info. and presumably updated it today. In the letter above if you provide the birth year of 1888 for Anthony (he would be 124 this year) that alone should be enough for them to determine is it's the right Anthony and that he would be dead.

Good luck!

Re: surname Czepiel

Cheri Vanden Berg — Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:42 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:42 pm

I would send for Anton Czepiel's naturalization papers if I were you. I don't know what you have to show to prove your Anthony has been dead for 20 years, but I would get it, and prove it. You're going to have to see the papers before you can determine if it's your Anthony, but it's definitely worth it. I don't know what information Canadian Naturalization papers contain during this time period, but it should have his wife's name. In the U.S. I have read that the Naturalizations could possibly have where the wife was from as well. My luck it would have said POLAND and no village name, but you can't know unless you try. It could also have her maiden name, and maybe that would have a different spelling than what you have. In the U.S. during this time period, a wife would become a citizen when her husband did. If it was the same in Canada, then Stanislawa/Stella wouldn't have had to apply for citizenship. Oh, and perhaps you know that there was no Poland in 1914, so one partition of what had been Poland would have been in Austria, and since the manifest said they were from Galicia, that would fit.

Re: Canadian naturalizations

ciaara — Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Author: ciaara

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Cheri Vanden Berg wrote:

This website contains information about naturalizations in Canada:
http://www.naturalizationrecords.com/canada/

Thanks for the link, I had already searched it and only thing that came close for me was an Anton Czepiel born in Austria, residing in Melville, SK at March 31, 1924

No such luck for his wife Stella/Stanislawa etc.

Apparently I can order a record for only $5, but I must confirm the person deceased for at least 20 years... how do I do that when I can't even confirm if is the correct person??

I have had to take a break due to life (always gets in the way of my fun!) but plan to be back to the "grind" next week and will review everything posted and see what else I can "dig" up

Re: surname Czepiel

Andrzej — Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:58 am

Author: Andrzej

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:58 am

Hi ciaara.
I send to You dear my datas from Olejarz clan's tree of Casimir Olejarz (*1798, +1848) from Pruchnik village near Jaroslaw, near Rzeszow, great-great-grand father of Józef Olejarz from my early post to You.
Andrew

Re: surname Czepiel

Andrzej — Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:45 am

Author: Andrzej

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:45 am

Hi, ciaara !.

Józef Olejarz, b. ca. 1890 married with Maria nee Szkola (*1893, +1961)
son:
Michal Olejarz (*1928, +2000) married with Maria nee Gruszczak, b. 1929
son:
Ludwik Olejarz, b. 1957, married with Krystyna Czepiel, b. 1957
children:
Magdalena b. 1977, and Marcin b. 1986

Andrew

Re: surname Czepiel

Cheri Vanden Berg — Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:03 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:03 pm

[quote="ciaara"]

Shellie wrote:

Hi Ciaara!
For selfish reasons, I am hoping your Czepiel ancestors are from Odrowaz or Zaluczne (near Nowy Targ - South of Krakow). There are several members here related to the Czepiels from that area.

You wrote:
haha, I'm beginning to wonder if I should just pick a random name and just go with it.... I can find many Czepiels coming & going, but unfortunately I am not finding anything relating to what I know

Some of Shellie and my ancestors come from this area, and we have gotten close to Bonnie Czepiel, another Polish Origins member whose ancestors come from Odrowaz and Zaluczne, so this is why Shellie had hoped your Czepiels were also from this area. Quite frankly, I was extremely lucky that my ancestors were from this area because Shellie and Bonnie both visited there, and helped me so much.

You wrote:
1. I'm not unsure, I have their exact placement, just didn't think posting their exact location relevant They stayed in SK, had 14 children and died in SK I have since tracked down 4 of their children without much success in finding out where they actually came from aside from "Poland" (but I have learned about them as people which has been worth it for me)

ciarra, anything you could share might be relevant, but definitely where they lived. Someone could read your post and know the area - maybe know where people lived in Poland that settled where your ancestors did in Poland. The more details that you can share the better. When I first posted, less than 5 months ago, I didn't know the village my grandmother was from in Poland. I shared every detail I could think of, everywhere I looked, any document that I had gotten. I shared photos and it was incredible how much I learned from the photos - what people recognized that I would have never known. I am so very sympathetic with anyone that can't find their ancestors birth place. Even though I searched for years, it meant more to me than I ever realized that it would when I finally knew where my grandmother was born.

You wrote:
2. <sigh> the church burned down many moons ago. But I was given the name of one that may be able to help me so that will be on my "to-do" list. BUT, at best they would really only have records for my great grandfather & siblings as Anthony & Stella weren't born/married here?

It might be if you shared the name of the church, someone might know something too. Maybe not now, but maybe in the future...

You wrote:
3. This is the thing... I've asked their children why they came over, no one really knows. My other side came over as small armies, why did they come over alone? Who did they know? Again no one has answers. Being that they didn't come over until later, most of the area was already "established".

My grandmother came over with a friend in 1913. Except for a sister that lived in Chicago in the 1970s, she was the only one of 10 children that immigrated to the U.S. I always felt that she didn't have any family around. I hadn't realized until researching that she had cousins that came over - many from her village of Zaluczne immigrated to Chicago. I would guess that your ancestors came over for financial reasons, and very likely settled in an area where others from their village had gone before them. That's why it helps to research not only them, but neighbors, and members, or the history of their church. That might lead you to find their birth places, though I would definitely try a naturalization record.