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Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

yapper — Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:39 am

Author: yapper

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:39 am

You guys/gals rock
I am so grateful for all your diligent efforts to track this down for me & my family
Now, I'll have to see if I can somehow connect to distant cousins in the area

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Sophia — Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:43 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:43 pm

Thanks, Dave! That solves it.
This is such a great community of volunteers.
Much respect to you all,
Sophia

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

dnowicki — Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:08 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 12:08 pm

Sophia wrote:

Trish! You are terrific.
From what you posted, I do not see any reference at all to Munsterberg. It is as if the records came from the church in Weigelsdorf. I am so puzzled by that, as it was my impression that the Weigelsdorf church did not exist at the time of these records.
Thank you so much for trying to resolve it.
Sophia

Hi Sophia & Trish,

According to info in one of the sub-sites of Geneteka the RC parish in Wigańcice/Weigelsdorf was founded in the 15th century and was under the patronage of St. Bartholomew. Link: https://parafie.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=pr&pid=9519 The metrical books in the parish archives begin post WWII (1945) but obviously the parish is much older. Attached is a pic of the church and here is a link to historic photos. https://polska-org.pl/517946,Wigancice,Kosciol_sw_Bartlomieja.html

Keep On Keepin’ On,

Dave

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Sophia — Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:10 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:10 am

Trish! You are terrific.
From what you posted, I do not see any reference at all to Munsterberg. It is as if the records came from the church in Weigelsdorf. I am so puzzled by that, as it was my impression that the Weigelsdorf church did not exist at the time of these records.
Thank you so much for trying to resolve it.
Sophia

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Trish — Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:11 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:11 am

Sophia wrote:

Hi Trish and Cynthia,
Great to have the microfilm citations and the links, I'm sure Yapper will appreciate having that information.
What we still do not know is which parish these records are from. Munsterberg (on today's map, Ziębice, Poland) had two catholic churches. Do either of you know how to determine which one these records are from, other than going back to the microfilm and looking for an image with a book cover (or title page) that gives the name of the parish?
The two churches still exist.
One is the Basilica of St. George:
http://www.bazylikamniejszaziebice.pl/
and
Parafia pw. św. Apostołów Piotra i Pawła w Ziębicach which seems not to have a website.
Best,
Sophia

Hi Sophia, Cynthia, and everyone,
I went back into the microfilm. There wasn't a "book cover" shown. If there was one, it was blank. However, I did download a copy of what familysearch.org listed before each section. I don't know if this is a help.

Trish

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Sophia — Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:00 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:00 pm

Hi Trish and Cynthia,
Great to have the microfilm citations and the links, I'm sure Yapper will appreciate having that information.
What we still do not know is which parish these records are from. Munsterberg (on today's map, Ziębice, Poland) had two catholic churches. Do either of you know how to determine which one these records are from, other than going back to the microfilm and looking for an image with a book cover (or title page) that gives the name of the parish?
The two churches still exist.
One is the Basilica of St. George:
http://www.bazylikamniejszaziebice.pl/
and
Parafia pw. św. Apostołów Piotra i Pawła w Ziębicach which seems not to have a website.
Best,
Sophia

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

mcdonald0517 — Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:35 am

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:35 am

Hello all,

Yes, Sophia, you are correct. The church is in Munsterberg. Here is the link to the Family Search parish books for the Catholic Church. They are locked, meaning you must view them from a research center, but you will see two magnifying glasses indicating those two items have been indexed by volunteers and can be searched. If you select the second magnifying glass for the Taufe (birth) records for 1803, you will be able to search for and find the baptismal record. So, yes, the images of the records Trish provided are from the Catholic parish books.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/585458?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Best,
Cynthia

Re: Translation

Trish — Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:40 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:40 am

Sophia wrote:

yapper wrote:

Yes, these ladies have been awesome
thanks for the guidance - will post on other thread - quick question - if record is in German rather than Latin could that mean that it is perhaps Lutheran rather than Catholic?

Hi,
The fact that the records are in German does not tell you what denomination they are. The links that Cynthia provided are to an index of both Catholic and Lutheran records. Hopefully Trish, who was able to obtain actual images, can tell you which it was (by paging backwards to the beginning of the church book). That should enable you to find the answer to your other question of whether that church still exists.
Sophia

Hi Everyone,

Sorry for the delay in responding. The records that Cynthia linked and I posted are from familysearch.org. The information and link is below. The records were from microfilm #1899224 (DGS #7769312).

Kirchenbuch, 1683-1920
Author: Katholische Kirche Weigelsdorf (Kr. Münsterberg

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/585458?availability=Family%20History%20Library

(Note: added the Locality Subjects)
Locality Subjects
Germany, Preußen, Schlesien, Münsterberg, Weigelsdorf - Church records
Poland, Wrocław, Ząbkowice Śląskie, Wigancice - Church records

(Note: Added information to original records)
I went back to the documents I posted and added the record number, film number, and image number. Hope this helps.

Have a great day!
Trish

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Sophia — Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:21 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:21 am

Hi Yapper,

Well, yes, in fact I am spectacular. However, we are not quite there in your quest to know which church your family records are from. We seem to have figured out which Weigelsdorf is the correct one. Specifically, your Weigelsdorf appears to be the one in Münsterberg, Breslau, Schlesien, Preussen. On current day maps, this is Wigancice, Poland, exactly as you had labelled it in your title of this thread.

The unfortunate thing is that whoever indexed the records on Family Search has instead indicated the Weigelsdorf in Reichenbach, Breslau, Schlesien, which on today's maps is Ostroszowice, Poland. I believe this Weigelsdorf to be incorrect, based on my read of the document, the maps, and my conversation with Michael on your other thread.

Now, even though Wigancice has a church today, it is not the church from the timeframe of your records. It appears to me that your records were from a church in Münsterberg. The Meyer's Gazetteer entry for Münsterberg says that it has two Catholic churches. So, which was it? You have clues in the translation that Michael did. The 1803 baptism and marriage were both performed by father Edmundus Adolph. The burial of Franz Mücke was performed by Caplan (chaplain) Preuss. You need to find out which church they served. Then we will know for sure where this church really was.

Sophia

Many many thanks

yapper — Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:18 am

Author: yapper

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:18 am

Sophia you are spectacular! This is the information that I have been trying to track down for 20 years

Antoine Andermann built St Mary's catholic chapel in south Louisiana and his son Ernest helped to build St Michaels catholic church further down the river road a generation later - so relieved to finally connect the dots

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Sophia — Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:51 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:51 pm

I think the church might have been in Berzdorf (in which case, Catholic). Here is the entry for Berzdorf in Meyer's Gazetteer:
https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10157024
If you follow that link, and click on the "map" tab, you will see not only Berzdorf, but also your Weigelsdorf as well as some of the other towns named in the church book image of the marriage record (Ober Kunzendorf, and Tschammerhof).
If the church was in Münsterberg, also close by, then it could have been either Catholic or Lutheran.
Sophia

Re: Translation

Sophia — Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:14 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:14 am

yapper wrote:

Translation

yapper — Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:50 am

Author: yapper

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:50 am

Yes, these ladies have been awesome
thanks for the guidance - will post on other thread - quick question - if record is in German rather than Latin could that mean that it is perhaps Lutheran rather than Catholic?

Re: Record translation

Sophia — Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:32 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:32 am

yapper wrote:

Oops, got so excited about finding these records that I just realized that I need help translating from Latin/German?
Can someone please translate or direct me on how best to approach this request?

Note: Especially interested in baptismal record - church/parish/diocese - but any/all would be great

Family search link for the index associated with baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZXS-FN11

1803 Antonius Josephus Franciscus Andermann
Weigelsdorf / Reichenbach / Breslau / Schlesien / Preußen / Deutschland

Thanks in advance for your time & efforts

Hi Yapper,
Good to see so much progress, thanks to Cynthia and Trish!
Your records are in German. There is a running thread here on the forum, where you can ask for help with German translations. Here:
https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?p=61375#61375
Sophia

Record translation

yapper — Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:11 am

Author: yapper

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:11 am

Oops, got so excited about finding these records that I just realized that I need help translating from Latin/German?
Can someone please translate or direct me on how best to approach this request?

Note: Especially interested in baptismal record - church/parish/diocese - but any/all would be great

Family search link for the index associated with baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZXS-FN11

1803 Antonius Josephus Franciscus Andermann
Weigelsdorf / Reichenbach / Breslau / Schlesien / Preußen / Deutschland

Thanks in advance for your time & efforts

Catholic church records

yapper — Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:24 pm

Author: yapper

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:24 pm

This is wonderful

I'll look them over to see if I can determine actual name of church - if so, will someone be able to tell me if church still exists there & were it is located? Also, hoping to be able to decipher godparents on baptism as well as witness on marriage? With any luck this could lead to other relatives - fingers crossed.

Thanks so much!!

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Trish — Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:23 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:23 pm

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hello again,

Here is the link for the indexed record of the 1803 marriage:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZXS-KHXS

I will post the link where you can submit a search request for these records in case you can’t get to a research center.

Best,
CyHnthia

Hi Everyone,

Here is the marriage record.
Trish

Edit added on August 19, 2002 -- 1803 Marriage Record - Record #11 - Microfilm #1899224 (DGS #7769312) - Image #771

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Trish — Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:20 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:20 pm

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hello again,

Here is the link for the indexed record of the 1832 burial of Franz Mucke:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZXS-B8M8

I will look for the marriage record…

Cynthia

Hi Cynthia and Yapper,

Here is the death record for Franz.
Trish

Edit added on August 19, 2002 -- 1832 Death Record - Record #68 - Microfilm #1899224 (DGS #7769312) - Image #689

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

Trish — Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:18 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:18 pm

mcdonald0517 wrote:

Hello,

Family search has the parish records. Here is the link for the 1803 index for baptism you seek:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZXS-FN11

The records are locked and can only be viewed from a Family Research center or participating library near you.

I will look for the others and post if I find it.

Cynthia

Hi Cynthia and Yapper

Here is the baptismal record. I was able to download it from familysearch for you.

Hope this helps,
Trish

Edit added on August 19, 2002 -- 1803 Birth Record - Record #4 - Page: 579 - Microfilm #1899224 (DGS #7769312) - Image #242

Re: Catholic church in Weigelsdorf/Wigancice

mcdonald0517 — Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:00 pm

Author: mcdonald0517

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:00 pm

Here is the link with instruct how to request a record lookup. You must provide the film number and page/image number. It often works best to just provide the links I gave you for each record and that way they can see all the relevant information needed to do the lookup.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/family-history-library/record-lookup-service

Good luck,
Cynthia