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Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:26 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:26 am

[quote="dnowicki"]

Sophia wrote:

kimboley wrote:

I believe her document for travel says she departed from Bremen on the Grosser, Stanislaw petition for naturalization document says departed from Antwarp on the Zeeland.
I understand that they could not read or write (3rd grade for him) so this could account for some of the differences in dates due to errors?
My family had March 14, 1889 as his birthday. The naturalization document says May 13th 1891, on the polish site, I think it said May 15 1891. I would have thought he would have used his correct birthday for his life time, I think the grave says March 14. Going by memory, I may be wrong..

I don't know why my stuff not posting. Must be doing something incorrectly.

But, thank you for all your help.

I was really wanting info on the parents of Stanislaw and Juliana, I guess this is why location of birth and dates are so important. (we also have a different date of birth for Juliana, Nov 16, 1888

Hi Kimboley, Trish & Sophia,

It seems to me that what is needed in order to navigate through the info which you have located is a compass in order to avoid the perils of Scylla and Charybdis created by so many ifs generated by info overload. My suggestion for a compass is the same one I usually give—look for data in the ecclesiastical marriage record of Stanisław & Julia which can direct and/or confirm your speculations.

The Latin Rite Catholic Polish ethnic parish in Monessen was St. Hyacinth. Findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118855700/juliana-wojtowicz shows that they are buried in St. Hyacinth Cemetery which makes it likely that they belonged to that parish and likely were married there. The parish has merged with several other parishes to form a new parish. Here is a link to contact info for that parish https://www.dioceseofgreensburg.org/parish-life/directory/Pages/Parish.aspx?LocationID=200KS My suggestion is that Kimboley contact the parish and request an image of their marriage record from the register—not a marriage certificate. Entries in the parish marriage register often contain info which can act as a compass for research on the other side of the pond. Usually the entry will contain the names of the parents of the bride and the groom. That data would be a big help when looking at info on Geneteka.

Wishing you success,

Dave

Hi Kimboley, Sophia, and Dave,

Dave gave you very good information listed above about how to obtain the marriage record of Stanislaw and Julia in Pennsylvania. I would follow his advice.

As for the ship manifest I found are the correct manifests for Stanislaw and Julia for they coincide with the names of the towns listed on the Naturalization record of Stanislaw.

One more note, per the 1930 census record, Stanislaw had a brother named Dominik living with him. Dominik was born about 1885. This is another clue for you in helping to find the parents’ names. If you need the census, let me know and I’ll post it.

1930 US Census for Stanislaw Wojtowicz
Name: Steve Wetovich
Birth Year: abt 1889
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age in 1930: 41
Birthplace: Poland
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Monessen, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania, USA
Map of Home: Monessen, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Street Address: Forest Street
Ward of City: 1st pt of
House Number: 429
Dwelling Number: 139
Family Number: 192
Home Owned or Rented: Owned
Home Value: 6000
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Age at First Marriage: 22
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Poland
Mother's Birthplace: Poland
Language Spoken: Polish
Immigration Year: 1906
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: Tin Mill
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Steve Wetovich 41 Head
Julia Wetovich 42 Wife
Joe Wetovich 18 Son
Katie Wetovich 17 Daughter
Helen Wetovich 15 Daughter
Mary Wetovich 11 Daughter
Julia Wetovich 8 Daughter
Edward Wetovich 6 Son
John Wetovich 4 Son
Dominic Wetovich 45 Brother

Have a wonderful day!
Trish

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

kimboley — Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:46 pm

Author: kimboley

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:46 pm

It is my understanding that they did not get married until they got to the USA. I do not know what religion they were, I will follow up and see if i can find anything in family stuff.

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:54 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:54 pm

I was really wanting info on the parents of Stanislaw and Juliana, I guess this is why location of birth and dates are so important. (we also have a different date of birth for Juliana, Nov 16, 1888[/quote]

Quote:

Hi Kimboley,
Sorry to learn that you are having difficulty with posting. Good that you persisted!
The reason that I pointed out the notation of Juliana being Ruthenian has to do with religion. Do you know if she was Roman Catholic, or Greek Catholic? That would help determine if this is really her manifest, and more importantly it will be necessary for finding her birth record in Poland because you need to know which church's books to look at. If she was Greek Catholic, that would fit with Ruthenian. Do you know Stanislaw's religion?
As for the dates, yes, that is not unusual for some discrepancies in different records showing different birth dates. It just adds to the task of finding the birth record, as you noted.
Sophia

Trish,
I am wondering whether we've really got the correct manifest for Stanislaw. There is no marking by his name to correspond with his naturalization. If you look at Stanislaw's manifest, in the column for "calling or occupation," you see for the person on Line 1 and the person on Line 20 there is a number added, and a date, which have nothing to do with occupation. These are numbers that relate to naturalization. When you were looking for Wojtowicz manifests, was there another one that would have been a possible match for Stanislaw?Sophia

Hi Kimboley and Sophia,
Kimboley,
Dates of birth seem to be confusing. Maybe they weren't exactly sure when they were born. My g.g.grandmother was listed as being born in 1872 in several USA records as well as per family members. She really was born in 1860. So I was happy when I found her birth record.

Sophia had asked what religion your family was. If they were Roman Catholic, there is a good chance there might be some clues from the church marriage record. If they were Roman Catholic, I would write to the church and ask for their marriage record and ask for any notation of their parents names and the town they were from. By contacting the church, I was able to find the name of the town for a majority of my ancestors.

I was supplying some USA records for each record could give a clue. Sorry if I was duplicating any of your work.

Sophia,
I checked the ship manifests again. The one I provided is the only one for a Stanislaw Wojtowicz coming from Wydra on the ship Zeeland. I tried various spellings of the surname and various ships, and found nothing that comes close to the year of birth or the town of origin.

I do see on the ship's manifest for Stanislaw that it does not list his naturalization numbers. Maybe they forgot to write the numbers on the manifest.

I'm posting from the Statue of Liberty (Ellis Island) website for Wojtowicz coming from Wydrna. Notice that some say "Galicia, Austria, Russia" next to the town.

https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyMzMyMDUwMDk4Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7

Name - Town - Age - Year of Birth - Year arriving
Wajtowicz, Grzegorz - Wydrno - 27 - 1877-1878 - 1905
Wajtowicz, Stanistaw - Wydrow, Rus. - 18 - 1887-1888 - 1906
Wajtowicz, Teodor - Wydrna, Austria - 25 - 1880-1881 - 1906
Woitowicz, Czeslawa - Wydzna, Austria - 9 - 1903-1904 - 1913
Wojtawicz, Leopold - Wydrna, Austria - 3 - 1912-1913 - 1916
Wojtowics, Damian - Wydrna, Russia - 28 - 1880-1881 - 1909
Wojtowicz, Jan - Wydrna, Galizia - 17 - 1894-1895 - 1912
Wojtowicz, Jan - Wydrna, Austria - 25 - 1884-1885 - 1910
Wojtowicz, Josef - Wydrna - 37 - 1868-1869 - 1906
Wojtowicz, Julia - Wydrna, Galicia - 25 - 1880-1881 - 1906 (Note: This Julia was single.)
Wojtowicz, Teodor - Wydrna - 44 - 1861-1862 - 1906
Wojtowiez, Dam... Wydrua, Austria - 24 - 1885-1886 -1910

I am going to look again for another ship manifest for Julia.

Hope you are enjoying your day!
Trish

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

dnowicki — Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:16 am

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:16 am

[quote="Sophia"]

kimboley wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Sophia — Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:19 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:19 am

kimboley wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

kimboley — Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:42 pm

Author: kimboley

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:42 pm

I believe her document for travel says she departed from Bremen on the Grosser, Stanislaw petition for naturalization document says departed from Antwarp on the Zeeland.
I understand that they could not read or write (3rd grade for him) so this could account for some of the differences in dates due to errors?
My family had March 14, 1889 as his birthday. The naturalization document says May 13th 1891, on the polish site, I think it said May 15 1891. I would have thought he would have used his correct birthday for his life time, I think the grave says March 14. Going by memory, I may be wrong..

I don't know why my stuff not posting. Must be doing something incorrectly.

But, thank you for all your help.

I was really wanting info on the parents of Stanislaw and Juliana, I guess this is why location of birth and dates are so important. (we also have a different date of birth for Juliana, Nov 16, 1888

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

kimboley — Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:26 pm

Author: kimboley

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:26 pm

I have posted several replies, I appreciate all the work you have both done for me, for everybody. I Don't recall off the top of my head, what all I wrote, I am going to go thru the post and review everything real quick. (and check if this posts)

I think our documents show they arrived at different ports? I will go review..

darn it, somehow this is in the wrong thread. Yes, I am having issues..

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:07 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:07 am

TedMack wrote:

G'day Trish

I find that accessing szukajwarchiwach requires a bit of trial and error. Usually it requires me to close the browser and turn the VPN on and off a couple of times if it doesn't work at first. Good luck.

Cheers
Ted

Hi Ted,
I didn't have a problem before until recently. I use to be able to get in with the VPN on. I'll try your directions to see if I can get into szukajwarchiwach website. Thank you for the advice.

Have a great day!
Trish

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

TedMack — Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:41 am

Author: TedMack

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:41 am

Trish wrote:

Sophia wrote:

Hi Trish,
In answer to your question about the problems accessing szukajwarchiwach, there is another thread here on the forum that will explain that:
https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=18831
All the best,
Sophia

Hi Sophia,
Thank you for sharing the link letting me know that szukajwarchiwach is still down. I was able to get in a while ago, and now I cannot even get in with using VPN. I hope it comes back soon.

Thank you for all your help! Have a wonderful day!
Trish

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:55 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:55 am

Sophia wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Sophia — Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:46 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:46 am

Hi Trish,
You have assembled a lot of good information here. Pinning down the town of origin is key to finding records for the parents of Stanislaw and Julia which Kimboley seeks. In answer to your question about the problems accessing szukajwarchiwach, there is another thread here on the forum that will explain that:
https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=18831
It is wonderful how much you contribute to this forum.
All the best,
Sophia

Kimboley,
You have posted three replies here in which you quoted other responses, but you did not say anything. Is it a technical difficulty?
Good luck to you,
Sophia

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

kimboley — Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Author: kimboley

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:14 pm

Trish wrote:

Sophia wrote:

Trish wrote:

Hi Kimboley and Sophia,
I believe this is the manifest for Julia Serednicka. (Sophia, I need your eyes again. Thank you.)

Name: Julia Serednicka
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Ruthenian (Russniak) (Ruthenian)
Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1887
Departure Port: Bremen
Arrival Date: 18 Jul 1905
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Grosser Kurfurst

Have a great day!
Trish

Hi Trish,
Yes, I see on line 5 there is a Julia Serednicka. As you noted, she is listed as Ruthenian, but Stanislaw Wojtowicz was not, so it's up to Kimboley to decide if this is the right Julia Serednicka. As you see on the manifest, there are a group of Ruthenians together on that page, all from different villages and all going to different cities in NJ and PA, each of which had strong Polish communities. I am saying this because perhaps if you can find their towns of origin on a map, and if they are clustered together, it may help you make sense of Julia's town of origin which looks kind of like "Konske".
As to where she was headed, the town is McKees Rocks in Pennsylvania, not all that far from Monessen. She was going to her brother-in-law, but it is too difficult for me to decipher the name. First name may be Mike.
Hope this helps,
Sophia

Hi Sophia,
Thank you for looking at this record. Now I'm not sure if it is the correct Julia. Per the census records, Julia's origin was either listed as Galicia, Austria, or Poland.

Thank you again! Have a great day!
Trish

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

kimboley — Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:44 pm

Author: kimboley

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:44 pm

Sophia wrote:

Trish wrote:

Hi Trish,
The census records with Galicia, Austria and Poland can all be correct, depending on the year.
Ruthenian is indicated on the manifest not as a nationality but rather as an ethnicity, if that helps.
I think that you did find the correct manifest for Julia.
Sophia

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

kimboley — Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:39 pm

Author: kimboley

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:39 pm

Trish wrote:

kimboley wrote:

Yes, thank you, this is additional information I have, Stanislaw, I believe was from Wydrna . That birthdate of March 4, 1889 is incorrect, the Naturalization document says May 13, 1891. They settled in Monessen Pa. I think I found the names of the parents of Stanislaw, on a site called geneteka. Father Michal and mother is Antonina Sawa, I think Stanislaw had a twin Wictoria and I think a sibling Wiktor born in 1893, that died a few days later, Antonini also died. (Stanislaw and Julia children names were, Stella, Joseph, Catherine, Helen, Mary, Julia, Edward, John)
If you can verify this and maybe help with more generations I would very much appreciate it.

Hi Kimboley,

I believe this is what you are looking at on Geneteka. I hope this link works.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=09pk&rid=B&search_lastname=Wojtowicz&search_name=michal&search_lastname2=sawa&search_name2=Antonina&from_date=1875&to_date=1895&rpp1=&ordertable=

The 3 children of Michal Wojtowicz and Antonina Sawa all died. The deaths of the children are listed in the Zgony tab.

Also, is anyone having a problem with https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/ website? I keep getting an error.

Best regards,
Trish

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Sophia — Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:48 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:48 pm

Trish wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:15 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:15 am

Sophia wrote:

Trish wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Sophia — Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:38 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:38 pm

Trish wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:43 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:43 pm

kimboley wrote:

Hello. I am trying to find information about my ancestors, I have Stanislaw Wojtowicz, born March 14, 1889 in Galicia Poland. He married Julia Serednicka born Nov 16, 1888 in the same place. (These are my great grand parents, who came to the USA)
They had I think 9 children, their son Edward, born Jan 28, 1923 is my grandfather.

I am looking for information on Stanislaw or Julia (Juliana) parents. I am thinking a birth certificate would have this information?
Thank you for any help.

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:21 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:21 pm

kimboley wrote:

Re: Wojtowicz, Serednicka from Galicia

Trish — Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:43 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:43 am

Sophia wrote:

Trish wrote:

His ship's manifest states he is going to I believe his sister's Jozefa house in New York. (I need another set of eyes please to verify that the manifest is stating Stanislaw is going to see "sister" Jozefa in New York. Thank you!) He is on line #23.

Hi Trish,
As your "other set of eyes" I can offer a small correction. He is going to the Cloister (not sister) of Sw. Jozefa (that is, the Cloister of Saint Joseph) in New York.
All the best!
Sophia

Hi Sophia,
Thank you! I could not make out where he was going. I'm glad you were able to figure it out.

Have a wonderful day!
Trish