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Re: Updates!

BarbOslo — Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:45 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:45 pm

Trish wrote:

hopskip wrote:

Hi Hopskip and Barb,
What wonderful information you were able to obtain.

I believe this is Barbara Bak's birth and baptismal record #63. I need someone to verify the information for me. I cannot make out the surname for Anna.

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/jednostka/-/jednostka/19881825

Barbara Bak
Born: 10 September 1875 - Grodzisko Dolne
Baptized: 11 September 1875
Father: Andrzej Bak (son of: Walenty Bak and Barbara Maj)
Mother: Marianna Maj (daughter of: Tomasz Maj and Ann ? )

Hope this helps some.
Regards,
Trish

Hi Trish,
Good work. Anna's surname is JONIEC.

-Barb

Re: Updates!

Trish — Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:41 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:41 pm

hopskip wrote:

Re: Updates!

BarbOslo — Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:34 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:34 pm

hopskip wrote:

I received records from the diocese about all four of my Polish ancestors! Yay! There were some discrepancies (e.g. "Grodzisko", "Grodzisko Dolne") from one child's baptism record to the next. I will paste what I received below, but I am not sure where to go from here. I would appreciate any suggestions on how to proceed to get their vital records from Poland. Every time I get more information, I just have more questions! TIA!

Marriage (Pittsburgh):

Married 08 Aug 1899
Antonium Kojder from Galicia
Parents: Joseph Kojder and Catharinae Burda
to
Barbaram Bąk from Galicia
Parents: Andreae Bąk and Maryannae Maj

Baptisms:
(Pittsburgh 1910)
Father – Antonio Kajder from Kopanie, Galicia
Mother – Barbara Bąk from Grodzisko, Galicia

(Pittsburgh 1911)
Father – Antonio Kajder from Kopanie, Galicia
Mother – Barbara Bank from Grodzisko Dolne, Galicia
.......................................................................
(Pittsburgh 1914)
Father – Adam Zabłocki from Wasilowka, G. Sunl.
Mother – Eva Nadolna from the same place

(Pittsburgh 1919)
Father – Adamus Zabłocki from Krol. Ras.
Mother – Eva Nadolna from Sul. Gub.

Hello,
Good news. I will see if I can find more. I found Antoni's brother in parish Grodzisko Dolne. See picture. Opaleniska act 3 (left side). Can read the names of Antoni and his brother Wincenty's grandparents.

Wincenty Kojder was born on March 11, 1881 in Opaleniska (Majdany) parish Grodzisko Dolne.

Grandparents:
Jozef's parents: Marcin Kojder and Katarzyna Burda
Katarzyna's parents: Szymon Burda and Agata Wnęk

-Barb

Updates!

hopskip — Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:40 am

Author: hopskip

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:40 am

I received records from the diocese about all four of my Polish ancestors! Yay! There were some discrepancies (e.g. "Grodzisko", "Grodzisko Dolne") from one child's baptism record to the next. I will paste what I received below, but I am not sure where to go from here. I would appreciate any suggestions on how to proceed to get their vital records from Poland. Every time I get more information, I just have more questions! TIA!

Marriage (Pittsburgh):

Married 08 Aug 1899
Antonium Kojder from Galicia
Parents: Joseph Kojder and Catharinae Burda
to
Barbaram Bąk from Galicia
Parents: Andreae Bąk and Maryannae Maj

Baptisms:
(Pittsburgh 1910)
Father – Antonio Kajder from Kopanie, Galicia
Mother – Barbara Bąk from Grodzisko, Galicia

(Pittsburgh 1911)
Father – Antonio Kajder from Kopanie, Galicia
Mother – Barbara Bank from Grodzisko Dolne, Galicia
.......................................................................
(Pittsburgh 1914)
Father – Adam Zabłocki from Wasilowka, G. Sunl.
Mother – Eva Nadolna from the same place

(Pittsburgh 1919)
Father – Adamus Zabłocki from Krol. Ras.
Mother – Eva Nadolna from Sul. Gub.

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

BarbOslo — Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:43 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 5:43 am

.... and a new possibility Grodzisko-Kopanie

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

BarbOslo — Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:38 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:38 pm

hopskip wrote:

Quote:

I have access to those records, Trish. Unfortunately no father named Jerzy. Checked the specific dates of birth for Antoni and Barbara. They are not there, unless baptized found the place much later.
-Barb

If the father in either the 1875 or 1876 Geneteka records is Antonius, that may be her!

The marriage record that I have is just the docket, which has no information on parents. They were married in Pittsburgh, presumably in a Catholic church, as they are buried in a Catholic Cemetery outside of Pittsburgh. The Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh keeps these records, so I have put in a records request- hoping that their marriage records might have some clues.

I have no information about whether or not they knew each other in Poland, so I am not sure if I should be looking for Kopanies that are near Grodziskos (and there are a few of those too!) Antoni immigrated in 1893 and Barbara in May 1899. They were married very shortly after she arrived in Pittsburgh, in August 1899...

Hello,
Kopanie belongs to the parish of Grodzisko. They were almost the same age. I think they knew each other.
Barbara born 1875 was the daughter of Marianna (illeg).
Barbara born 1876 was the daughter of Jacob and Agatha.

-Barb

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

hopskip — Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:14 pm

Author: hopskip

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:14 pm

Quote:

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

BarbOslo — Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:56 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:56 am

Trish wrote:

Sophia wrote:

Trish wrote:

Per the ship's manifest for Barbara, her father's given name looks like it begins with a "J". (I need another set of eyes to tell me the correct given name.)

Trish

Hi Trish and Hopskip,
On the manifest for Barbara (Bąk) Kojder, I see her father's name as Jerzy.
Best regards,
Sophia

Hi Sophia, Barbara, and Hopskip,

Sophia, thank you for verifying the father's name.

Barbara, Good find!

Hopskip, was there any information on their marriage record as to whom their parents are? Also, were they married in the Church? The Church record could provide the names of their parents.

I found this on Geneteka, but I can't access it in order to view the records.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=09pk&rid=8832&search_lastname=bak&search_name=barbara&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=1870&to_date=1880&rpp1=&ordertable=

Maybe someone can help us access the records for the two Barbara's listed.

Enjoy your day!
Trish

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

Trish — Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:41 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:41 am

Sophia wrote:

Trish wrote:

Per the ship's manifest for Barbara, her father's given name looks like it begins with a "J". (I need another set of eyes to tell me the correct given name.)

Trish

Hi Trish and Hopskip,
On the manifest for Barbara (Bąk) Kojder, I see her father's name as Jerzy.
Best regards,
Sophia

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

BarbOslo — Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:39 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:39 am

BarbOslo wrote:

There's so many twists! But we must try to find Antoni and Barbara. Look at this. I found Kopanie is not far from Grodzisko.

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

BarbOslo — Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:37 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:37 am

There's so many twists! But we must try to find Antoni and Barbara. Look at this. I found Kopanie is not far from Grodzisko.

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

Sophia — Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:34 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2023 5:34 am

Trish wrote:

Per the ship's manifest for Barbara, her father's given name looks like it begins with a "J". (I need another set of eyes to tell me the correct given name.)

Trish

Hi Trish and Hopskip,
On the manifest for Barbara (Bąk) Kojder, I see her father's name as Jerzy.
Best regards,
Sophia

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

hopskip — Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:32 pm

Author: hopskip

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:32 pm

Sorry about that! This is the information on the page, but I cannot see the actual document without going to a FamilySearch site to access it. I will certainly look into the USA baptismal records! Thank you!

Name Barbara Bak
Sex Female
House Number 128
Baptism Date 10 Oct 1875
Baptism Place Polska
Birth Date 9 Oct 1875
Father's Name Antonius Bak
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Magdalena Mirek
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Baptism

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

Trish — Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:24 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 2:24 pm

hopskip wrote:

Thanks Trish! There are so many twists! No dates or names or place names match up anywhere. It is Grodzisko and not Rodzisko, as that was what was on Barbara's passenger list at Ellis Island 1899. There aren't as many Grodziskos as Kopanies, and I think I have a strong lead on where to find her birth record too, once I investigate this:

"Poland, Church Books, 1568-1990", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6V9B-ZMB4 : 10 December 2022), Barbara Bak, 1875.

I have the marriage record in the USA and will not have a problem getting any of the USA records-- it's mostly Antoni that I am struggling with because I only have "Joseph" as a lead for a parent, and no other records with clues about any family of his, his names and cities and dates are all off, as you noted...

Hi Hopskip,
Did you try to get any USA church records like the marriage record for Andrew and Barbara, or baptismal record for the children? You might find clues there. I know I have found clues on these records such as names of parents (including maiden names), towns they were born in, etc.

A note about the link you posted on familysearch. The link is broke, however, I was able to figure out how to see the webpage. You have to go to a Family History Center to view the record. The parents per this link show the father as being Antoni. Per the ship's manifest for Barbara, her father's given name looks like it begins with a "J". (I need another set of eyes to tell me the correct given name.)

Keep us posted on your progress.

Have a nice day!
Trish

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

hopskip — Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:48 pm

Author: hopskip

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:48 pm

Thanks Trish! There are so many twists! No dates or names or place names match up anywhere. It is Grodzisko and not Rodzisko, as that was what was on Barbara's passenger list at Ellis Island 1899. There aren't as many Grodziskos as Kopanies, and I think I have a strong lead on where to find her birth record too, once I investigate this:

"Poland, Church Books, 1568-1990", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6V9B-ZMB4 : 10 December 2022), Barbara Bak, 1875.

I have the marriage record in the USA and will not have a problem getting any of the USA records-- it's mostly Antoni that I am struggling with because I only have "Joseph" as a lead for a parent, and no other records with clues about any family of his, his names and cities and dates are all off, as you noted...

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

Trish — Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:00 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:00 pm

hopskip wrote:

Amazing! Thank you Trish! And thank you Barb for pointing that out because I was just about to start looking in Kopanie.. and Kopanie.. and Kopanie.

Hi Everyone,

Here is a new twist. Seems Barbara Bonk (Bak) went back to Poland to see her family. Here is the ship manifest with her and her children. I need another set of eyes to make out the name of the town. I think it is Grodzisko.

Note: On the Naturalization record for Antoni, the town is listed as Rodzisko, could it really be Grodzisko?

According to various USA records, both Antoni and Barbara are listed as from Russia, Poland, Austria, and Galicia. Both Antoni and Barbara also list various birth dates. Their dates of birth on their marriage record doesn't match the date of birth on the Naturalization records.

Do you need the marriage record? I can post it if you need it.

Hope this helps,
Trish

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

hopskip — Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:23 pm

Author: hopskip

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 4:23 pm

Amazing! Thank you Trish! And thank you Barb for pointing that out because I was just about to start looking in Kopanie.. and Kopanie.. and Kopanie.

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

BarbOslo — Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:35 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:35 pm

Thank you Trish. This document changes all. Which one?
Barb

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

Trish — Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:01 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 3:01 pm

hopskip wrote:

Yes, that is the family!

Hi Hopskip and Barb,

Here is Antoni's naturalization record. This might shed a lot of clues as to where he is from.

Have a great day!
Trish

Re: Need help with surname and city name c.1875

hopskip — Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:59 pm

Author: hopskip

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:59 pm

Yes, that is the family!