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Re: Help reading manifests

BarbOslo — Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:42 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:42 am

jangle1 wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Hello,
Good news. Finally, it can be confirmed that Simon comes from a place called Jackonys. The village belongs to the parish Udrija. It's a good idea to also check the parish of Otters. I found something about two younger siblings of Simon.
Marianna could be Mary Daukszis. Her age matches the 1900 Census, but does not match the 1934 death record, where her age is given as 54. Is this the same person? I doubt it.
Unfortunately, not much can be found online. Will look for something more later.
Attaches some attachments.

-Barb

Hi everyone!

This is such an exciting find! I was hopeful about the record on Geni that Monika found, especially combined with the record I found on the Metrikai. It is really cool to see that the details are matching each other! I will definitely try to do more digging online and see what I can find in the parish of Otters.

Regarding Marianna, a birthdate of 1880 vs 1873 is a fair difference, but I'm happy that Stanislovas' 1864 vs 1862 is much more probable. Thank you, Barb, for finding and posting these!

I was able to contact the lady who created the records on Geni and she also confirmed that he was born in Jackonys, Udrija. She said that she was navigating through different books, found them, and bought the records before uploading. I am unsure if she was doing this in person or online, however. She was interested because she has distant paternal Krutulis ancestors. I might have found a very distant relative and might be able to share information she doesn't know about Stanislovas' sibling! I don't think she has seen the record on Metrikai either.

This is such a cool find, thank you all for so much help!

~jerry

Re: Help reading manifests

jangle1 — Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:04 pm

Author: jangle1

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:04 pm

BarbOslo wrote:

Re: Help reading manifests

BarbOslo — Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:41 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:41 pm

Hello,
Good news. Finally, it can be confirmed that Simon comes from a place called Jackonys. The village belongs to the parish Udrija. It's a good idea to also check the parish of Otters. I found something about two younger siblings of Simon.
Marianna could be Mary Daukszis. Her age matches the 1900 Census, but does not match the 1934 death record, where her age is given as 54. Is this the same person? I doubt it.
Unfortunately, not much can be found online. Will look for something more later.
Attaches some attachments.

-Barb

Re: Help reading manifests

Trish — Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:30 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:30 am

BarbOslo wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I think the last two you mentioned (Stanislaw and Martin) are not Simon's brothers. If you look at the picture, you can see that Stanislaw, who is Simon's brother, was born approx. 1862. It appears that the family lived in the village of Jackoni (Lithuanian Jackonys). Unfortunately there are few church books left. In the beginning, there was only one "branch" church.
The church in Udria existed until 1837, then it was demolished. The next church was built in 1861, but this one burned down in 1913. Then a new church was built in 1924.
From what I have gained access to, I found no trace of Simon's parents. Surname Krutul / Krutulis is to be found there.

-Barb

Hi Barbara and Everyone,
Barbara, thank you for clearing that up about Martin and Stanislaw. I did make a comment that the Martin and Stanislaw I found could be possible relatives of Szymon. Now we know they are not.

We do know that Szymon did have a sister named Mary Daukszys (aka-Mary Dowkus) living in Plymouth, Pennsylvania. Still trying to find a manifest for her. Plus we know Syzmon had a brother named Stanislaw born about 1862.

Have a great day!
Regards,
Trish

Re: Help reading manifests

jangle1 — Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:22 am

Author: jangle1

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:22 am

Hi Barb and Trish!

Thank you so much Barb for looking through old books and trying to find him and his family, I really appreciate it. It was exciting for me looking through them and seeing some Krutulis' too bad it just wasn't the right ones. The ones I looked through were hosted on ePaveldas. That really stinks about the lack of churchbooks for Jackonys...but it is really cool to have a probable place that they originated from! I am enjoying reading about the area and its' history.

Thank you, Trish, for uploading the manifests and their data! I am still interested in investigating Maria/Mary and Martha, maybe they will lead somewhere interesting! I am also excited to keep searching for Ewa's side now that I have a location to start!

I did have two questions moving forward; Does anyone have experience with the Lithuanian State History Archive or any of the regional archives? It seems they have some civil records there. Maybe if not in the metrical books, they might have something of a Krutulis member that could lead somewhere?

Lastly, has anyone used Geni before? There is an option to view Stanislovas' complete profile, https://www.geni.com/people/Stanislovas-Stasys-Krutulis/6000000125921642842 , but I am not sure if there is really other info in their record or if it is a ploy to have me get the membership.

Thank you again to everyone for your help!
~jerry

Re: Help reading manifests

BarbOslo — Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:21 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:21 pm

Hi Everyone,
I think the last two you mentioned (Stanislaw and Martin) are not Simon's brothers. If you look at the picture, you can see that Stanislaw, who is Simon's brother, was born approx. 1862. It appears that the family lived in the village of Jackoni (Lithuanian Jackonys). Unfortunately there are few church books left. In the beginning, there was only one "branch" church.
The church in Udria existed until 1837, then it was demolished. The next church was built in 1861, but this one burned down in 1913. Then a new church was built in 1924.
From what I have gained access to, I found no trace of Simon's parents. Surname Krutul / Krutulis is to be found there.

-Barb

Re: Help reading manifests

Trish — Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:53 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2024 10:53 am

jangle1 wrote:

Hi Monika, Trish, and Barb!
I think that could possibly be her! The place called Nupronys is new information to me, I'm not familiar with that area. I'm excited to look into it and see what I can learn.

In the possible Ewa manifest I posted originally, she was going to see her brother a D. Jasewicz(?), who I am unfamiliar with. It also lists her last residence as "Bersneko/Bersmeko" which I can't quite make out and can't find any areas with a similar sounding name.
In the Manifest Monika found, that does seem like it could be an iteration of their names and we already know of a possible uncle Vincent. From other records, she would probably be 17/18-20 or so, the age matches and it still seems possible there would be enough time for her to still have her first child in November of 1905. It is hard, it seems like they both could be possible matches. Thank you all for sharing these finds and your opinions on them!

I am also attaching something I found on https://www.metrikai.lt It seems like this is not the death record for Stanislaw the father of Szymon, but possibly his brother Stanislaw. In some of the manifests Trish and I were discussing, a Martin, listed as from Suvalki and a Stanislaw Krutulis who is listed as from Wilna on his manifest, were present with Stanislaw going to see his brother Martin Krutulis, who is listed as from Suvalki. The only thing is, Stanislaw lists his birthdate as 1880 on the manifest, but this record would make it closer to 1862 or so. Maybe it could be him, a totally different Stanislaw, or not even the right Krutulis family. I just though it might be interesting to share! It does seem like the Udrija and/or Alytus areas have a higher proportion of the last name Krutulis. Thank you again to everyone!

Hi Everyone,
I just want to post the information about the possible siblings of Szymon Krutulis. One quick comment. Szymon Krutulis was naturalized in 1903 so there isn't any important information on the naturalization record.

Possible brother, Martin Krutulis ship manifest information.
Ship Manifest for Martin Krutulis
Name Martin Kratulies
Gender männlich (Male)
Ethnicity/Nationality Russland (Russian)
Marital Status ledig (Single)
Departure Age 28
Birth Date abt 1871
Residence Place Suvalki
Departure Date 18 Mär 1899 (18 Mar 1899)
Departure Place Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Arrival Place London
Occupation Landmann
Ship Name Portia
Shipping Line A. Kirsten, Hamburg
Ship Type Dampfschiff
Ship Flag Deutschland
Accommodation ohne Angabe
Volume 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 101

Possible brother, Stanislaw Krutulis ship manifest.
Ship Manifest for Stanislaw Krutulis
Name Stanislaw Kurtulis
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Russian
Age 23
Birth Date abt 1880
Departure Port Rotterdam
Arrival Date 12 Mar 1903
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Wilna
Ship Name Statendam
Note: Going to see brother, Martin in Scranton, PA

We know that Maria (Mary) (nee: Krutulis) Daukszys per the information posted above is a sister to Szymon Krutulis. I have not found a ship manifest for Maria (nee: Krutulis) Daukszys. However, per Maria (nee: Krutulis) Daukszys' obituary, it stated there was a sister named Martha Navitski.

Hope this helps some. Enjoy your day!
Trish

Re: Help reading manifests

BarbOslo — Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:22 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:22 pm

Hi everyone,
I looked optimistically at Monika's findings on Geni:https://www.geni.com/people/Stanislovas-Stasys-Krutulis/6000000125921642842 There were specific places connected to the family. Yesterday I read several books from the parish of Alytus. There were many Krutulis to be seen, but none related to Simon or Stanislaw. I looked for Simon's birth record and wedding records for his parents, his siblings and Stanislaw's death record. Unfortunately, Simon's family is not connected to Alytus, although the Geni page refers to his father and mother, and grandparents. Most church records in the area end in 1875.
Will look into what you sent yesterday, in good faith that something is available on-line.

-Barb

Re: Help reading manifests

jangle1 — Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:21 pm

Author: jangle1

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 6:21 pm

Hi Monika, Trish, and Barb!
I think that could possibly be her! The place called Nupronys is new information to me, I'm not familiar with that area. I'm excited to look into it and see what I can learn.

In the possible Ewa manifest I posted originally, she was going to see her brother a D. Jasewicz(?), who I am unfamiliar with. It also lists her last residence as "Bersneko/Bersmeko" which I can't quite make out and can't find any areas with a similar sounding name.
In the Manifest Monika found, that does seem like it could be an iteration of their names and we already know of a possible uncle Vincent. From other records, she would probably be 17/18-20 or so, the age matches and it still seems possible there would be enough time for her to still have her first child in November of 1905. It is hard, it seems like they both could be possible matches. Thank you all for sharing these finds and your opinions on them!

I am also attaching something I found on https://www.metrikai.lt It seems like this is not the death record for Stanislaw the father of Szymon, but possibly his brother Stanislaw. In some of the manifests Trish and I were discussing, a Martin, listed as from Suvalki and a Stanislaw Krutulis who is listed as from Wilna on his manifest, were present with Stanislaw going to see his brother Martin Krutulis, who is listed as from Suvalki. The only thing is, Stanislaw lists his birthdate as 1880 on the manifest, but this record would make it closer to 1862 or so. Maybe it could be him, a totally different Stanislaw, or not even the right Krutulis family. I just though it might be interesting to share! It does seem like the Udrija and/or Alytus areas have a higher proportion of the last name Krutulis. Thank you again to everyone!

Re: Help reading manifests

BarbOslo — Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:49 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:49 pm

Trish wrote:

mm_88 wrote:

Hello Trish and Jerry,

While looking through passenger lists, I came across this entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN9D-8Y7
Ewa was travelling to her uncle Vincent living in Scranton, Pa.
"Jeiva Jeseweczowna" could be Ewa Jesewiczówna (Jesewicz). What do you think?

Hi Monika and Jerry,
This could be her. Ewa was married in Scranton per the marriage record.

Have a great day!
Trish

Hi,
She was 17 years old in 1904. Which means that she was born approx. in 1887. Szymon and Ewa's first child was born in 1905. The place where this Ewa comes from is called Pronussy (Lithuanian Nupronys).

-Barb

Re: Help reading manifests

Trish — Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:29 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:29 pm

mm_88 wrote:

Hi Monika and Jerry,
This could be her. Ewa was married in Scranton per the marriage record.

Have a great day!
Trish

Re: Help reading manifests

mm_88 — Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:20 pm

Author: mm_88

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:20 pm

Hello Trish and Jerry,

While looking through passenger lists, I came across this entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN9D-8Y7
Ewa was travelling to her uncle Vincent living in Scranton, Pa.
"Jeiva Jeseweczowna" could be Ewa Jesewiczówna (Jesewicz). What do you think?

Re: Help reading manifests

jangle1 — Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:58 pm

Author: jangle1

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:58 pm

Hi Monika and Trish, I'm so sorry for being a little late to the party! I just want to start by saying thank you both SO much!! I am still relatively new to genealogical research and for as long as I have been interested in it, I have never been able to find much more out about Szymon and Ewa. I really appreciate both of your time and expertise, as well as your kindness to help me!!

I don't have much familiarity with Geni, but that Stanislaw really looks like he could fit, even with the differing dates/locations. I am excited to look more into that information! The naturalization record for Andreas is really cool! I can't wait to dig into these new leads!

I am definitely the least experienced one here, but I also got confused looking into records and info about Mary/Maria Krutulis (Daukszys). I didn't see as many records for the Dowkus name, but I remember seeing documents that referred to Mary's last name being Krutulis and some that were Bolinas. Because they had the same names, as well as husbands with the same name, I wasn't sure how to interpret that and got a little confused. After seeing what you both thought, I agree!

I can't get over all of the different leads/documents you were able to find, Monika! Thank you so much! I'm so excited to get home from work and start looking more into these and exploring them! I have found on FamilySearch films of metrical books from Suwalki, but not knowing the village/municipality, it was too much to blindly look through. Now, thanks to you all, I have somewhere to start looking! It is also so cool to see what their original name in Lithuaninan would be. Throughout doing research I have seen so many different variations and translations both anglicized and polonized.

I really can't say thank you enough to both of you for the help! I really do appreciate it! I would not have been able to find these by myself. I am so excited to keep researching with all of this new information! I hope you both have great days/weekends!!

Re: Help reading manifests

Trish — Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:52 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:52 am

Hi Monika and Jerry,

Monika, great find! Thank you for your help, advice, and findings. Jerry has to a lot to look over.

Have a wonderful day!
Regards,
Trish

Re: Help reading manifests

mm_88 — Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:49 am

Author: mm_88

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:49 am

Hi Trish,
I think you're right about Mary Daukszys from Plymouth. There are several documents that mention her maiden name Krutulis. The location also matches the one given on Szymon's passenger list.

As for Mary Daukszys from Wilkes-Barre, I hadn't checked her records further before, I only saw that the name Daukszys appeared in Wilkes-Barre. But now I see that her maiden name is Bolinas in one document, so I think she can be excluded from further research.

I found some documents about Andrew Jucewicz. Based on the location and date of birth, I think they refer to the same person.

Marriage license https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPR3-LKB?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKHFN-1MZ&action=view
Registration card https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-81VV-FBB?i=2207&cc=1968530&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AK62S-P3X
1940 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQD5-L3F

I think his surname before coming to the US might have been Jucevicius (in Lithuania).

Re: Help reading manifests

Trish — Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:51 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:51 pm

mm_88 wrote:

Hi Trish,

In Vincent's manifest that Jerry attached, he is listed as going to his brother Andreas Jucewicz, Noble Lane 192, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. I can't read the name of last permanent residence, looks like Wyzbary/Wyzbaroj, Suwałki. But I found Andreas Jucewicz naturalization papers where he said that he was born in Obelito, Suwałki https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9Z-RWYZ-T?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6K18-3X5V&action=view
It's just a guess, but it may be town Olita https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olita , 15 km from Udrija that I mentioned before.

Also there are some records for Mary Daukszys in Wilkes-Barre, the same city as for Andrew Jucewicz.

Hi Monika and Jerry,
Monika, great find with the naturalization record for Andreas Jucewicz. I'll try to find information on Andreas.

I have a dilemma with Mary Daukszys. There seems to be more than one with spouse named Joseph. There is one in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. The other is in Plymouth, Pennsylvania. The was one in Scranton, PA. I believe the one in Plymouth is the Mary (Maria) Krutulis for the following reasons. However, I would like your opinion as well as anyone on the forums opinion on this matter.

Per Szymon's ship manifest, it states he is going to his sister, Mary Daukszys in Plymouth, PA. I am attaching the record. Then I found a 1900 Census for Mary and Joseph Daukszys also in Plymouth. I believe the family changed the named to Dowkus (guessing this might be how the surname is pronounced). I found Mary Dowkus death record listing Stanislaw Krutulis as a father, mother unknown. I am also attaching her obituary which lists Peter as a son. Peter Daukszys (Dowkus) is listed as the informant on Mary (nee: Krutulis) Dowkus (Daukszys) death record. (Note: I was getting confused that there is more than one Mary Daukszys. This is why I would like another opinion on the matter.)

I have not found anything on Martin Krutulis except for the ship manifest.

Thank you for your help. I'm sure Jerry thanks you too!
Have wonderful day!
Regards,
Trish

Re: Help reading manifests

mm_88 — Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:21 pm

Author: mm_88

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:21 pm

Hi Trish,

In Vincent's manifest that Jerry attached, he is listed as going to his brother Andreas Jucewicz, Noble Lane 192, Wilkes-Barre, Pa. I can't read the name of last permanent residence, looks like Wyzbary/Wyzbaroj, Suwałki. But I found Andreas Jucewicz naturalization papers where he said that he was born in Obelito, Suwałki https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9Z-RWYZ-T?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6K18-3X5V&action=view
It's just a guess, but it may be town Olita https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olita , 15 km from Udrija that I mentioned before.

Also there are some records for Mary Daukszys in Wilkes-Barre, the same city as for Andrew Jucewicz.

Re: Help reading manifests

Trish — Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am

mm_88 wrote:

Hello,

According to Szymon's death certificate, his parents were Stanisław Krutelis and Dominika Balk...(?) Look at this entry https://www.geni.com/people/Stanislovas-Stasys-Krutulis/6000000125921642842 Stanisław's birthplace is Udria (Udrya) - a former rural commune existing at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries in the Suwałki Governorate https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udria_(gmina)

Hi Monika and Jerry,

Monika, great find! Per the Pennsylvania death record for Szymon Krutulis, it listed his parents as Stanislaw Krutulis and Dominika Balkwicz. Note: I am not sure if that is the correct spelling for the surname for Dominika.

Per the 2nd marriage record of Ewa Jasewicz, it listed her parents as Antoni Jasewicz and Ellen Kowaliska.

The information Jerry and I found was Szymon Krutulis came to the USA in 1897. We found two ship's manifests for him. One is going to his brother, Martin Krutulis in Scranton, Pennsylvania. The other manifest Szymon is going to his sister, Mary Daukszys in Plymouth, Pennsylvania. I have not found a manifest for Mary (nee: Krutulis) Daukszys. I did find a manifest for Martin Krutulis that states he from Suwalki.

Jerry was able to get baptismal records for the children of Szymon Krutulis and Ewa Jasewicz. The information provided was limited. However, there were a few sponsors that were interesting. There was a Wincenty Jasewicz, Anna Krutulis, and Mary Krutulis. So I'm am helping Jerry look into these possible relatives in hopes to find more clues on his family.

Have a wonderful day!
Regards,
Trish

Re: Help reading manifests

mm_88 — Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:38 am

Author: mm_88

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:38 am

Hello,

According to Szymon's death certificate, his parents were Stanisław Krutelis and Dominika Balk...(?) Look at this entry https://www.geni.com/people/Stanislovas-Stasys-Krutulis/6000000125921642842 Stanisław's birthplace is Udrija (Udrya) - a former rural commune existing at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries in the Suwałki Governorate

Help reading manifests

jangle1 — Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:05 pm

Author: jangle1

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:05 pm

Hello everyone and Happy New Year!!

I am still having difficulty finding where my ancestors Szymon Krutulis and Ewa nee Jasewicz were from within the wider area of Suwałki. They are listed as both being from Lithuania and as Lithuanian and I have the names of their parents, but still no leads. Luckily, however Trish was able to find some possible manifests for Ewa and possibly her brother Vincent (Line 5). I would like to ask for help reading some of the information listed in the manifests, especially the names of the towns they are from and there destination/family in the US. Thank you for reading!
~jerry