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Re: Norweln

Trish — Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:38 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:38 am

Hi Tom,
Thank you for sharing the picture. I love old pictures especially wedding pictures. Plus, it is always nice to put a face to a name.

Please keep us posted if you get any records from the New Jersey State Archives. The death record for Jozef could list his parents names. Plus the marriage record also could list his parents names along with some clues as to where Jozef is from.

Did you try to get the baptismal records for the children from the Church they attended? Or the Church marriage record? Those records could also have clues on them. Make sure it ask for any notations on the records such as: town of origin, parents' names, etc.

I'm still having no luck with finding a manifest for Jozef or Marianna.

Have a wonderful day!
Regards,
Trish

Re: Josef and Marjanna (Smolewska) Gurski

BarbOslo — Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:56 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:56 pm

Tom Matlosz wrote:

Here's putting faces to the names, for everyone who helped.

Hi Tom,
I sent an email to the parish of Gieranony on March 6. No answer so far.

-Barb

Josef and Marjanna (Smolewska) Gurski

Tom Matlosz — Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:10 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:10 pm

Here's putting faces to the names, for everyone who helped.

Re: Norweln

Trish — Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:31 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:31 pm

Hi Tom, Sophia, and Barbara,

Tom: The information I found on the tree on ancestry.com had only the list of names. There was no dates nor information. There was only the names listed as children for Antoni Smolewski. However, least we know per the records found that Marianna had 2 borothers - Jan and Justyn.

Sophia, thank you for looking at the ship's manifest for Justin and veryifing the information for me.

I am attaching the obituaries for Justin, Joseph, and Mary. Note that Justin's obituary only lists Mary Gurski as a sibling.

Justin Smolewski
died: 5 January 1930
buried: 10 January 1930
Holy Cross Cemetery, North Arlington, NJ
Section:9, Section: B, Grave 162, Depth: 1A

Joseph Gurski
died: 1 January 1934
buried: 8 January 1934
Holy Cross Cemetery, North Arlington, NJ
Section: 9, Section: B, Grave 164, Depth: 2A

Mary Gurski (Gurska)
died: 22 January 1981
buried: 24 January 1981
Holy Cross Cemetery, North Arlington, NJ
Section: 9, Section: B, Grave 164, Depth: 2B

Regards,
Trish

Re: Norweln

Sophia — Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:40 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:40 pm

Trish wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to post the manifest for Justyn Smolewski. It has some clues on it. Justyn was listed as Ustin Imolewski. He left his father Anton in Gieranony, and going to see his brother in Bayonne. He is on line #9.

Question: Does the brother's name look like Jan Smolewski? I need another opinion especially since the transcriber on ancestry.com transcribed Smolewski wrong.

Regards,
Trish

Hi Trish,
Well done finding Justyn Smolewski's manifest!
I agree, the brother's name is JAN SMOLEWSKI. Please note that Jan must have moved, because the manifest shows Justus's intention of going to Jan in Bayonne but that was changed to Jersey City. You see it in two places. On the first page of the manifest you see he had ditto marks in the destination column, meaning he was going to Bayonne just like the person on the line above him, but "JC" is overwritten there. Also on the second page where the full address in Bayonne is crossed out and it looks like 170 1st Street JC (Jersey City) is written in.
Best regards,
Sophia

Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz — Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:38 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:38 pm

Trish wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Tom, about the manifests, I did list that they were a "possible" manifest. I had liked the manifests for they were going to Newark, New Jersey which is right across from Bayonne, New Jersey. Sorry they weren't your family.

Thank you for sharing the family information and records. It is a big help with trying to locate information.

Sorry if you I am duplicating your work, I wanted to post the manifest for Justyn Smolewski. It has some clues on it. Justyn was listed as Ustin Imolewski. He left his father Anton in Gieranony, and going to see his brother in Bayonne. He is on line #9.

Question: Does the brother's name look like Jan Smolewski? I need another opinion especially since the transcriber on ancestry.com transcribed Smolewski wrong.

Name Ustin Imolewski
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Single
Age 18
Birth Date abt 1891
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Geranowy
Last Known Residence Geranony, Russia
Departure Port Hamburg
Arrival Date 9 Apr 1909
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Bayonne, New York
Height 5 Feet, 7 Inches
Hair Color Fair
Eye Color Blue
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 19
Person in Old Country Anton Imolewski
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Geranony
Person in US Jen Gurolawski (Jan Smolewski)
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Anton Imolewski
Sibling Jen Gurolawski
Ship Name Rhaetia

There are also several trees on ancestry.com that list that list the children of Anton Smolewski as: Justryn, Marianna (Mary), Forn(?), Ana, Zygmunt, and Stanislawa. I'm not sure if this is correct or not. Like I said it from someone's tree on ancestry.com.

Question for Tom: Do you have the obituaries for Jozef Gurski and Marianna Smolewski? If not, I can post them for you.

I did find this document online for Marianna Smolewski Gurski. I am not sure if you have it.

Still looking for Jozef and Manianna's manifest.
Regards,Options
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Trish

Trish,

We didn't know about other Smolewski siblings. We only knew of Marjanna (Mary) and Justyn (Justin, aka Ustyn). I have Mary's Naturalization record which you posted. I do not have Marjanna's or Justyn's obits. If you could post them that would be great.

By the way, Marjanna was my wife's maternal grandmother.

Thanks,
Tom Matlosz

Re: Norweln

Trish — Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:05 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:05 am

Hi Everyone,

Tom, about the manifests, I did list that they were a "possible" manifest. I had liked the manifests for they were going to Newark, New Jersey which is right across from Bayonne, New Jersey. Sorry they weren't your family.

Thank you for sharing the family information and records. It is a big help with trying to locate information.

Sorry if you I am duplicating your work, I wanted to post the manifest for Justyn Smolewski. It has some clues on it. Justyn was listed as Ustin Imolewski. He left his father Anton in Gieranony, and going to see his brother in Bayonne. He is on line #9.

Question: Does the brother's name look like Jan Smolewski? I need another opinion especially since the transcriber on ancestry.com transcribed Smolewski wrong.

Name Ustin Imolewski
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Single
Age 18
Birth Date abt 1891
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Geranowy
Last Known Residence Geranony, Russia
Departure Port Hamburg
Arrival Date 9 Apr 1909
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Bayonne, New York
Height 5 Feet, 7 Inches
Hair Color Fair
Eye Color Blue
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 19
Person in Old Country Anton Imolewski
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Geranony
Person in US Jen Gurolawski (Jan Smolewski)
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Anton Imolewski
Sibling Jen Gurolawski
Ship Name Rhaetia

There are also several trees on ancestry.com that list that list the children of Anton Smolewski as: Justryn, Marianna (Mary), Forn(?), Ana, Zygmunt, and Stanislawa. I'm not sure if this is correct or not. Like I said it from someone's tree on ancestry.com.

Question for Tom: Do you have the obituaries for Jozef Gurski and Marianna Smolewski? If not, I can post them for you.

I did find this document online for Marianna Smolewski Gurski. I am not sure if you have it.

Still looking for Jozef and Manianna's manifest.
Regards,
Trish

Re: Norweln

BarbOslo — Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:28 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:28 am

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-Barb

Re: Norweln

BarbOslo — Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:21 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2024 5:21 am

Tom Matlosz wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

Josef Gurski d. 4 Jan 1934
Marjanna (Smolewska) Gurski d. 20 Jan 1981

Their children: Josephine N, Francis E, Walter J, Janina (Janice) T, Casimir J and Edward P

If it's helpful, Marjanna had a brother, Justyn Smolewski (b. 16 Dec 1891 - d. 5 Jan 1930). He immigrated to America in March 1909 and served in the US Army during WWI. On his WWI draft card, he listed his place of birth as "Oszmana Poland Russia".

Could Oszmana be present day Ashmyany, Belarus? It's only 20 miles or so from Gieranony, where the parish was located.

Hi
Correct. Oszmiana is today called Ashmyany, and is located in Belarus. 40 km is a long distance. In addition, Oszmiana belongs to the R-C parish in Daukszyszki.
-Barb

Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz — Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:13 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:13 pm

Has anyone used this website, Radzima.net, to research ancestry in Belarus? Is it legitimate?

Tom Matlosz

Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz — Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:29 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:29 pm

Tom Matlosz wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

Could Oszmana be present day Ashmyany, Belarus? It's only 20 miles or so from Gieranony, where the parish was located.

Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz — Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:00 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:00 pm

BarbOslo wrote:

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz — Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:54 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:54 pm

Trish,

Did you notice that Marjanna Smolewska's father is listed as Antoni Smolewski on her baptismal certificate? That would mean that the immigration record which you found for a Marianna Smolewski is incorrect as her father's name is listed as Josef Smolewski.

Tom Matlosz

Re: Norweln

BarbOslo — Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:57 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:57 pm

Tom Matlosz wrote:

Trish wrote:

Hi Everyone,

This is a possible manifest for Marianna Smolewska. She is going to Newark, New Jeresy which is very close to Bayonne, New Jersey. She is on line 25. Tell me what you think?

Regards,
Trish

Name Marianna Smolewska
[Marianna Smolewski]
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Lithuanian
Marital Status Single
Age 19
Birth Date abt 1890
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Rendzinny
Last Known Residence Rendziuny, Russia
Departure Port Bremen
Arrival Date 26 Nov 1909
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Newark, New York
Height 5 Feet, 4 Inches
Hair Color Blonde
Eye Color Gray
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 10
Person in Old Country Josef Smolewski
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Rendziuny P Dlorinisgdi
Person in US Jan Smolewski
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Josef Smolewski
Sibling Jan Smolewski
Ship Name Prince Friedrich Wilhelm

Hi,
Back to your first post. I found the village of Guciszki belonging to the RC parish Gieranony, but no Norwelu nearby. This means that Jozef and Marianna lived near each other.
-Barb

Re: Norweln

Tom Matlosz — Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:14 pm

Author: Tom Matlosz

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2024 5:14 pm

Trish wrote:

Re: Norweln

BarbOslo — Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:51 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:51 pm

Really good search, Trish and Sophia!
It is important that Tom confirms to us the children's names and date of death.
-Barb

Re: Norweln

Trish — Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:06 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:06 pm

Hi Everyone,

I found a possible manifest for Jozef Gorski (Gurski). He is also going to Newark, New Jersey. He is on line 29. I need another set of eyes to look over the manifest for the transcriber on ancestry.com made a few mistakes.

I also suggest to order the death record for Jozef Gorski from the New Jersey State Archives. The death record could list the parents names. Here is the form to order a death record.
https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx

Regards,
Trish

Ship Manifest for Jozef Gorski
Name Josef Gorski
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Single
Age 20
Birth Date abt 1893
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Rudnopnicza
Last Known Residence Rudnopmcza, Russia
Departure Port Rotterdam
Arrival Date 6 Feb 1913
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Newark, New York
Height 5 Feet, 7 Inches
Hair Color Blonde
Eye Color Blue
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 20
Person in Old Country Florian Kujawa (Surname is Gorski not Kujawa.)
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Wierzbicza Hars
Person in US Stanislaw Gorski
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Florian Kujawa (Surname is Gorski not Kujawa.)
Sibling Stanislaw Gorski
Ship Name Potsdam

Re: Norweln

Trish — Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:39 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:39 pm

Hi Everyone,

This is a possible manifest for Marianna Smolewska. She is going to Newark, New Jeresy which is very close to Bayonne, New Jersey. She is on line 25. Tell me what you think?

Regards,
Trish

Name Marianna Smolewska
[Marianna Smolewski]
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Lithuanian
Marital Status Single
Age 19
Birth Date abt 1890
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Rendzinny
Last Known Residence Rendziuny, Russia
Departure Port Bremen
Arrival Date 26 Nov 1909
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Russia
Final Destination Newark, New York
Height 5 Feet, 4 Inches
Hair Color Blonde
Eye Color Gray
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession 10
Person in Old Country Josef Smolewski
Person in Old Country Relationship Father
Person in Old Country Residence Rendziuny P Dlorinisgdi
Person in US Jan Smolewski
Person in US Relationship Brother
Father Josef Smolewski
Sibling Jan Smolewski
Ship Name Prince Friedrich Wilhelm

Re: Norweln

Trish — Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:47 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:47 pm

Tom Matlosz wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Trish, Sophia, do you manage to find an American marriage record for Joseph Gurski / Gorski born March 16th, 1895, son of Piotr / Peter / Petras. Tom maybe you / your wife have that document?

-Barb

We only know that Joseph Gurski married Mary Smolweski in New Jersey, in 1916 (see attachement). We do not know the day or month.

Hi Tom, Barbara, and Sophia,

Tom, if the family settled in New Jersey, you can obtain Jozef and Mary's marriage record from the New Jersey State Archives.

Here is the main page for the New Jersey State Archives.
https://www.nj.gov/state/archives/index.html

Here is the form to use in order to obtain the marriage record for Jozef and Mary.
https://wwwnet-dos.state.nj.us/DOS_ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx

Question:
Is this the correct family? Jozef married Maria (Marianna). They had Josephine, Frank, Walter, Jennie, Charles (aka: Kazimierz), and Edward.

If this is the correct family, I know that Jozef Gurski died January 1, 1934 in Bayonne, New Jersey.

Regards,
Trish

Re: Norweln

Sophia — Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:46 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:46 pm

Hi Tom and Barb,
Tom, are you certain you have the correct ship manifest? You posted only the first page of a two-page manifest, so here is the second page:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P1Z-1C?view=index&action=view
I ask because this Jozef Gurski is headed to Chicago. On the second page, his answer to "place of birth" is in the last column and it does not look like either "Norweln" or "Gescziszki." The question asked on the first page was his "last permanent residence" and that is where he answered Norweln.
There are many men with the same name also arriving in 1913, if you look at Ellis Island entries (the one you posted is for the port of Philadelphia). Maybe you already looked at all of them, and found reasons for why they were not the right fit?
Trish had recently posted some valuable info on getting vital records from New Jersey. That would be really helpful here.
Sophia