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TOMGOR — Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:07 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:07 pm

I was hoping there would be a connection! Maybe if we can go back far enough....???

Re: The Goral Connection

BarbOslo — Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:28 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:28 pm

TOMGOR wrote:

Does my family's surname, Goralewicz, imply derivation from the Goral ethnic group in Poland?

Thanks. Tom

I don't believe so. Your family lived in what is now Lithuania, Belarus.

-Barb

The Goral Connection

TOMGOR — Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:05 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:05 pm

Does my family's surname, Goralewicz, imply derivation from the Goral ethnic group in Poland?

Thanks. Tom

Thank you

TOMGOR — Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:30 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:30 pm

Thank you for taking the initiative to send that email. Yes, I would very much like a English translation of your email and of any response you might get.

I was aware of that Goral ethnic group. That is why I asked if my surname could mean that my family traces back to that ethnic group.

Tom

A Few More Questions, Please

TOMGOR — Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:25 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:25 pm

Where does the name of the church appear on the Baptism Certificate?

Where does the name Julian appear on the Baptism Certificate?

(My father's full name was Walter Julian Goralewicz.)

Can you get me the placenames that seem to be at the top right of the document?

Are these places now in Ukraine? If so, what are they called in Ukraine language?

It's interesting to me that he was baptized in a Greek Orthodox (Catholic) church, but was married in a Roman Catholic church in New York which, by the way, was also named Saint Michael's. (Also, by the way, this church in New York still exists and it is to there that I've requested a copy of the marriage certificate.)

Kind regards, Tom

P.S. - You should know a little about me. As you can guess by my grandfather's birth date, I am getting along in years, having reached the 77th anniversary of my birth in January of this year. I am married. My age makes gathering this family history more urgent. I don't yet have a family member to whom I can turn over this family history information.

Re: About my Paternal Grandmother

BarbOslo — Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:07 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:07 pm

TOMGOR wrote:

I believe it was Ancestry.com that discovered that my paternal grandmother's full name was Maria Wanda Ilcewicz, and that she was born in Łapsze Sereje, Suvalkai, Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, on 8 April 1882. I understand there were a lot of Polish people living in Lithuania, but I'm having trouble getting much historical demographic information from Lithuania.

As an "aside', is it possible the surname Goralewicz comes from the Goral mountain ethnic group from Poland?

Regards, Tom

Hi,
I sent you your grandmother's birth record from the parish of Sereje by e-mail. Can translate this if you wish.

Góra - mountain
Góral - (plural Górale)– inhabitants of the foothills and mountain areas. In Poland there is an ethnic group called the Górale.

-Barb

About my Paternal Grandmother

TOMGOR — Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:02 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:02 pm

I believe it was Ancestry.com that discovered that my paternal grandmother's full name was Maria Wanda Ilcewicz, and that she was born in Łapsze Sereje, Suvalkai, Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, on 8 April 1882. I understand there were a lot of Polish people living in Lithuania, but I'm having trouble getting much historical demographic information from Lithuania.

As an "aside', is it possible the surname Goralewicz comes from the Goral mountain ethnic group from Poland?

Regards, Tom

Thanks, Barb

TOMGOR — Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:31 am

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:31 am

The translation information you provided seems to match what I was told, with respect to my grandfather having a brother named Julian and his mother's maiden name being Langorski (-ska), It would be easy to read a "Z" for an "L" in cursive writing, or vice versa.

Moreover, since the Baptism Certificate was in my grandfather's possession, it is unlikely that it applies to anyone else.

While my grandfather was known to be very proud of his Polish heritage, I was also told that he wanted to "blend in" in America, so I could understand his choice of "Alexander" rather than "Aleksy" as his first name.

He finally became a "naturalized citizen" of the US when he was 60 years old. My father said that my grandfather discouraged speaking in Polish at home, saying that, "We're on America, we speak English." (Although, for "privacy" my grandfather and grandmother often spoke Polish to each other around the children.

Of their children, their oldest child, my Aunt Janet (aka "Jen" and "Jenny"),spoke and understood the most Polish, followed by her brother Al ("Alexander"), and ten my father. I believe their youngest surviving child, my Uncle Eddie, spoke none at all.

I hope the place names and the name of the church can prove helpful with geting more information about my grandfather's family.

I understand that, in addition to Julian, my grandfather had another brother named Jan ("John"), and a sister named Helena.

"Family lore" says Julian may have been a general (in what Army?), and that Jan's son may have become a judge. It also says that my grandfather served in the Army of "Franz Josef" before emigrating to the US, but I find that unlikely given his young age when he got to America. (I have a copy (somewhere - I have to find it) of the passenger manifest of the ship that brought my grandfather to the US. Additionally, "family lore" says that my grandfather and grandmother never could have met or married in Poland, because he was from a very poor family, and his wife was from a wealthy family that owned much land and breweries and distilleries.

I am working on getting a copy of the Marriage Certificate from my grandfather's marriage to my grandmother, Maria Ilcewice, in Saint Michael's Church in Manhattan, New York City, New York, on February 11, 1906.

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

BarbOslo — Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:25 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:25 pm

Thanks Dave. I corrected the name. According to Tom, his grandfather in the US used the first name Aleksander.
So the translation of the name came automatically, without thinking.
-Barb

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

dnowicki — Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:11 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:11 pm

BarbOslo wrote:

Hi,
Here is the most important from the birth record. I can confirm that the previously mentioned Julian was the brother of your grandfather Aleksander. Additionally, the names of the maternal grandparents were given: Jan Zanagorski and Anna nee Wagiełyk.
The document was issued: July 26th, 1902, and signed by priest Demitrus (Dymitr) Rozłucki.

St.Michaelis (Michał) parish in Żołczów, district Rohatyn
No.15
Date of birth: March 27th, 1877
Date of baptism: probably the same day, as no other date is given
House number: 103
Name: Alexins (Aleksander)
Religion: Greek Catholic
Gender: Boy
Legitimate or illegitimate: Legitimate
The father: Onophrens (Onufry) Goralewicz
The mother: Maria a daughter of Joannis (Jan) Zanagorski and Anna nee Wagiełyk
The sponsors/godparents: Nicolaus (Mikołaj) Jancyszyn and Anna the wife of Solemom (Salomon) Mahmed, a farmer in Żołczów

Regards,
-Barb

Hi Barb,

If the child’s name is entered in Latin as Alexius then his given name is Aleksy in Polish, not Aleksander. The Latin form of Aleksander is Alexander (Genitive Sing.: Alexandri). The given name is actually Greek imported into Latin and then imported into Polish, English, etc. The bottom line is that Alexius (Gen. Sing.: Alexii) is not Alexander.

For Alexander think of Alexander the Great, who conquered most of Asia Minor, Egypt, etc. died 323 BCE.

For Alexius think of the son of Tsar Nicholas II of Russia.

I can’t say what this does to the genealogy you propose but I don’t think it bodes well.

Dave

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

BarbOslo — Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:23 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:23 pm

Hi,
Here is the most important from the birth record. I can confirm that the previously mentioned Julian was the brother of your grandfather Aleksander. Additionally, the names of the maternal grandparents were given: Jan Zanagorski and Anna nee Wagiełyk.
The document was issued: July 26th, 1902, and signed by priest Demitrus (Dymitr) Rozłucki.

St.Michaelis (Michał) parish in Żołczów, district Rohatyn
No.15
Date of birth: March 27th, 1877
Date of baptism: probably the same day, as no other date is given
House number: 103
Name: Alexius (Aleksy)
Religion: Greek Catholic
Gender: Boy
Legitimate or illegitimate: Legitimate
The father: Onophrens (Onufry) Goralewicz
The mother: Maria a daughter of Joannis (Jan) Zanagorski and Anna nee Wagiełyk
The sponsors/godparents: Nicolaus (Mikołaj) Jancyszyn and Anna the wife of Solemom (Salomon) Mahmed, a farmer in Żołczów

Regards,
-Barb

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

BarbOslo — Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:55 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:55 am

I sent you my email address. Check your email.
B.

RE: Baptism Certificate

TOMGOR — Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:43 am

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:43 am

I can attach the Baptism Certificate to an email. What is your email address? My email address is tom_goralewicz@hotmail.com. Tom

Baptismal Certificate

TOMGOR — Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:40 am

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:40 am

I don't see an option to attach a file to these messages. Tom

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

BarbOslo — Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:59 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:59 am

Unfortunately, I cannot find Alexander's birth record in the parish of Sereje for the years 1876-1878. I am excited to see your document.

-Barb

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

BarbOslo — Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:06 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:06 pm

Hi, Can you attach this baptismal certificate?

-Barb

Thanks for Qucik/informative response.

TOMGOR — Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:31 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:31 pm

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your response! My family records consist of notes taken based on statements from my Aunt and my father. They said their father, Alexander Goralewicz, was born and/or baptized in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland on March 28, 1877. I've been told this area may now be part of Ukraine, due to WWII partition. I only have 2 brief memories of my grandfather, as he was already around 70 years old when I was born. I have a copy of a copy of my grandfather's Baptism Certificate, which appears to be a duplicate. It is in Latin and Russian, I think. It lists his parents as Onaphren Goralewicz and Maria Langorski, born in Łapsze Sereje, Suvalkai, Vilkaviskis, Lithuania. I hope this helps on your end. It sure sounds like a connection!

Re: Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

BarbOslo — Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:33 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:33 am

TOMGOR wrote:

My grandfather, Alexander Goralewicz, was born and/or baptized in Zalczoiwie, Rohatyn, Galicia, Poland in 1877. His father died when he was 1 year old, and his mother died when he was 3 years old, so he was raised by 2 older brothers, Julian and Jan (John) and sister Helena. Any connections to this family would be much appreciated. Thanks. Tom Goralewicz

Hi Tom,
I don't know if this is known to you. I guess it's your family. Very little from Żołczów is available online.

It appears that the family were Greek Catholics. Here is a link to the wedding from 1899 from Lwów for Julian Góralewicz and Józefa Orłowicz.
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/301/sygn.%201706/pages/PL_1_301_1706_0140.htm
Julian could be your grandfather's brother. He was born in Żołczów abt. 1873. He was the son of Onufry Góralewicz and Maria Zanogórska.
The couple had at least 2 children: Janina i Kazimierz Józef.
https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=eng&bdm=B&w=21uk&rid=B&search_lastname=goralewicz&search_name=&search_lastname2=orlowicz&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=

I will see if I can find anything more.

Regards,
-Barb

Goralewicz in Zalczoiwie, Rohetyn, Galicia, Poland

TOMGOR — Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:54 pm

Author: TOMGOR

Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 5:54 pm

My grandfather, Alexander Goralewicz, was born and/or baptized in Zalczoiwie, Rohatyn, Galicia, Poland in 1877. His father died when he was 1 year old, and his mother died when he was 3 years old, so he was raised by 2 older brothers, Julian and Jan (John) and sister Helena. Any connections to this family would be much appreciated. Thanks. Tom Goralewicz