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Cadastral Map help needed for Lutcza

Luwik_NJ — Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:43 pm

Author: Luwik_NJ

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:43 pm

Sophia wrote:

Hi,
Perhaps this is the cadastral map of Lutcza that you remember seeing.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/jednostka/-/jednostka/18050862
You will notice that szukajwarchiwach's website ends in .gov.pl and not just .pl as you wrote it. That is probably why you are having trouble accessing it.
Best regards,
Sophia

Thank you for the reply. Every site I find only show the .pl ending, mystery solved. I've started downloading the maps and will look through them for ancestors. Thanks again! - Louis

Re: Cadastral Map help needed for Lutcza

Sophia — Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:44 am

Author: Sophia

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:44 am

As a follow-up to my post from last evening, here is another document from szukajwarchiwach that you should look at in conjunction with the cadastral map for Lutcza:

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/jednostka/-/jednostka/27192897?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=1&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=27192897

It is the "Alphabetisches Verzeichniss der Gemeinde Lutcza" for 1851. I looked back at one of your earlier posts and saw the surname Szurlej there, and when you check in this alphabetical listing, there are many Szurlej entries. It appears to me (although I have not read up much on how to use the cadastral maps) that for each person named there, it is providing a list of property numbers (in black) which seem to be consolidated into new property numbers (in red), labelled as "bauparzell."

Here is another property-listing document, starting on skan 18, again listing what could be your ancestors:

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/jednostka/-/jednostka/27192900?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=1&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=27192900

You might ask Michael about these, in the thread about German record translations. He may be able to interpret something from the cover pages.

Best of luck in figuring it all out and finding these areas on a google map.
Sophia

Re: Cadastral Map help needed for Lutcza

Sophia — Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:50 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:50 pm

Hi,
Perhaps this is the cadastral map of Lutcza that you remember seeing.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/jednostka/-/jednostka/18050862
You will notice that szukajwarchiwach's website ends in .gov.pl and not just .pl as you wrote it. That is probably why you are having trouble accessing it.
Best regards,
Sophia

Cadastral Map help needed for Lutcza

Luwik_NJ — Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:12 pm

Author: Luwik_NJ

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:12 pm

Last February I had learned about the Cadastral Maps while reading a post on these forums and I was able to find a map for Lutcza. I can't recall how I stumbled onto that map of Lutcza from the 1800's as I have no notes with a URL for the map. I just tried finding that map again and have had no success.

I did find a map of Strzyzów for a Cadastral 1851 Map at https://maps.geshergalicia.org/cadastral/strzyzow-1851/ I remembered that one of my Grandaunt's was born in Strzyzów a district of Lutcza but am not sure if this is the map I should be using. The map looks nothing like the one I recall finding last year, perhaps that map was from an early time. Is this map the one I should be looking at if I'm trying to find the house my Lutcza ancestors were born in?

I have found no written record in my genealogy notes of my becoming a member at any site that has maps available to members, perhaps I lost that info or the site I found the map at last year no longer exists. If anyone can help me find a map of Lutcza in the late 1800's, I can then try finding my ancestors house on Google Earth today (I now have 5 house numbers they lived in as each generation of sons married and moved out into their own homes) and try contacting the current residents in the hope one of them may be a descendant of my ancestors in the 1700-1800 time frame. TIA

What other records are available for us to research? Court records perhaps? Did they take a census of the towns population? Might cemeteries help us if the tombstones still show the names and life/death dates of a person who might be a ancestor, at least in surname? How far back can we trace a surname via some other avenue besides church records? With the church records before abt 1770 missing, what other avenues can we pursue to find our ancestors?

VIA a church death record which showed the death age on my 4th Great-grandfather, I now know he was born in 1751, as far back as I can go at this time. So far no other records of earlier generations have been found. I'm sure I'm one of many, many people who have hit a genealogy wall and am looking for any other paths I've not tried to find ancestors.

http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/ is this site accessible? I've never been able to access it, the browser always times out.