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Re: Where was Radejew located?

Anonymous — Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:06 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:06 pm

Thank you, Zenon and Elzbieta
I'll let my friend know about these leads.

Gilberto

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Zenon — Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:46 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:46 am

Gilberto wrote:

Attached is the original Hamburg passengers list. Two other families came from the same village, but I am not sure what their surnames are (it seems Zgodzinski and Matujack = Matuszak?). Radejew is clearly handwritten.

No doubt about it Gilberto.

Gilberto wrote:

I suspect it could be Radziejów.

I think it is very possible. Radziejów and Radejew are pretty close in sounding when you pronounce it in Polish, especially if Polish is distorted by Russian accent.

The names you listed - Kantowicz, Ciechanowski - appear in today's Poland in close neighborhood of Radziejów county, see the maps of distribution of surnames:

Kantowicz: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/kantowicz.html
Ciechanowski: http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/ciechanowski.html

As you probably already checked, there are many vital records from Radziejów kept in the Wloclawek branch of State Archives: http://goo.gl/b475N .

The next place after Radziejów I would check is Radziłów: http://goo.gl/maps/Wxsji

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:33 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:33 pm

I wonder about our understanding about "Warszawa". We think today city, while in 1900 it was under Russian Empire, see well written note here http://donhoward.net/genpoland/records.htm about languages used in records.

I tried to figure out cirillic name of Radejew - could be Радеев or Радзеюв, then Google was my friend.
On that JewishGen site http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-525003
we see

Radziejów, Poland
Alternate names: Radziejów [Pol], Rädichau [Ger WWII], Radzeyuv
Region: Warszawa

Then we get the whole description: Town District Province Country
Before WWI (c. 1900): Radziejów Nieszawa Warszawa Russian Empire

So the Province was Warszawa, the Country Russian Empire, and the place Radziejow.

21 miles W of Włocławek, 21 miles SW of Nieszawa.

It is indeed in Kujawsko-Pomorskie today.

A little of topic. When Googling with Russian name I found a Russian website with telephone prefixes. The Polish cities names are written in Russian, or sometimes they provide for Russian names of Polish places.

It states Радзеюв is Wloclawek Radziejow:

www.kody.su/telcodes/world/polsha

22, Варшава // Warszawa. 85, Василькув (Белосток) // Wasilkow ... 16, Пшемысль // Przemysl. 54, Радзеюв (Влоцлавек) // Radziejow. 48, Радом // Radom ...

Re: Where was Radejew located?

sirdan — Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:53 am

Author: sirdan

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:53 am

I have checked interenet and looks like this villige/town might me Radziejów indeed. At that time, Radziejów was included in Gubernia Warszawska (Warsaw Governorate) and that Governorate was part of Królestwo Polskie (or Congress Poland). Królestwo Polskie was under influence of Russia. More here: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gubernia_warszawska

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Anonymous — Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:27 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:27 am

Zenon and Elzbieta,
Attached is the original Hamburg passengers list. Two other families came from the same village, but I am not sure what their surnames are (it seems Zgodzinski and Matujack = Matuszak?). Radejew is clearly handwritten.

Gilberto

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:32 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:32 am

Gilberto,

I looked up Google Maps, found:
1. Warszawa Radziwie - the street within old Warsaw
2. Warszawa Radziejowice - circa 45 km south-ouest (not far away from Zyrardow)

Elzbieta

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Anonymous — Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:58 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:58 pm

In addition, I have checked other entires for those families going to the USA. Two other Blaszak are listed as Radzewo and Radziejewo, but these are places in pomorskie and poznanskie, not in warszawskie. I suspect it could be Radziejów.

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Anonymous — Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:29 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:29 pm

Zenon,

The list available on that brazilian site was obtained from Ancestry.com some years ago, when it was available for free. And Ancestry, on its turn, was based on Hamburg departure records. Obviously, it is possible that Ancestry transcribers misread some entries. However, the same village name appeared for some immigrante entering through Ellis Island (see image attached). I will try to check Hamburg original records.

Gilberto

Re: Where was Radejew located?

Zenon — Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:13 pm

Author: Zenon

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:13 pm

Gilberto,

I am guessing that your source is transcribed document from the original record: http://www.polonesesnobrasil.com.br/Nova%20pasta/Listas%20navios/paginas_hamburg/lista_hamburg_1891.htm . Are you able to get access to the original handwritten passengers list?

Where was Radejew located?

Anonymous — Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:53 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:53 am

Hi,

A brazilian friend of mine's ancestors were listed in Hamburg departure as being from Radejew. At first, I though the name was misspelled, but then I found five more people entering the USA, who declared their place of origin with the same exact spelling. Two of them mentions Radejew, Warsch, so I assume it is/was a place in what was warszawskie province by then. However, such spelling is not listed in SGKP. I also tried Hadejew and Chadejew, with no luck. Immigrants to Brazil and USA were all listed as Poland, Russia. Any ideas? If it helps, the surname is Kantowicz.

Thank you,
Gilberto