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Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:40 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:40 am

Hello,
That's what I was able to find. Please note that the surname Olender appears as HOlender in some places. It seems that the Bock/Bok and Kiefmann families have their roots in Bohemia (today's Czech Republic).

-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

looking for clues — Sun Jul 20, 2025 6:09 pm

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 6:09 pm

Thanks, Barb! You are right about them not being that helpful for the death records, especially since I missed the age notation:)

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sun Jul 20, 2025 5:33 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 5:33 pm

Hi Diane,
Alphabetical indexes are helpful, but only partially. Especially when it comes to death records. Easier for marriage indexes that contain 2 surnames, or birth indexes that may contain parents' first names. Birth indexes are mostly dates of baptism.
Many books are preserved in Podkamien parish. Fantastic opportunities to find ancestors.
As for the date of death mentioned by you for Jan Olender, it is not the correct Jan. This Jan was only 1.5 years old. But Jan who died in 1928 could fit.
-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

looking for clues — Sun Jul 20, 2025 4:15 pm

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 4:15 pm

I stumbled upon something interesting for the parish of Podkamien near Brody from https://www.podkamien.pl/. (I finally managed to find how to click on the English descriptions of the records.)

Podkamien near Brody - parish registers
Alphabetical index of married couples in the parish (maintained since 1785)
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/301/sygn.%201084/indeks.htm

Alphabetical index of the deceased in the parish (maintained since 1785)
http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/301/sygn.%201085/indeks.htm

http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/301/sygn.%201085/pages/PL_1_301_1085_0122.htm - it looks like 1915 shows a death for a Joannes Olender. (Not sure if this the the correct entry for Jan Olender - I didn't try to find the record)

Barb and Sophia - are these multi-year indexes common for a parish? If so, this could be a great resource for me and a real game changer for finding unindexed records. If so, how would I find them?

Diane

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:40 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:40 pm

Hi,
I emailed the birth records of all of Angela Olender's siblings, and the marriage records of their parents.

-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:54 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:54 am

Hi,
Here is information about Angela's younger brother, Kazimierz. I found his grave in the town of Serby (dolnoslaskie). It seems that he/the family moved to Poland. I believe it was due to the repatriation of Poles from the east (from Ukraine to Poland) after the end of World War II.
https://grobonet.com/p/glogow/404/kazimierz-olender-1889-glogow-gmina
-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:24 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:24 pm

Amajkut wrote:

BarbOslo wrote:

Here is Angela's (Aniela's) birth record. She was born on March 5th, 1885 in Podkamień. Parents: Jan and Katarzyna nee Bock.
Jan's parents: Paweł Olender and Marianna nee Sterhaluk.
Katarzyna's parents: Antoni Bock and Katarzyna nee Kieffman.

-Barb

Wow! I know you're still working, but I am curious as to where this was found and how you were able to link it to the same Aniela (mostly curious about the birthdate, since Jan Majkut's naturalization records have her birthday as 9 October 1891, the 1920s census has it as 1891, and her Ellis Island entry has her birth year as ~1889).

Again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for doing this!!! I'm learning so much from you!

Hello,
When you didn't find anything in Milno, it was a sign that she was born somewhere else. That's why I wanted to see Manifest. This stated that she came from Podkamien. Then I tried to look for church records from this place or area. I saw that the surnames Olender, Maciejko exist in Podkamien. Then I checked page by page. I have learned that American documents often have incorrect and different dates in Manifest, census, naturalization registers... Angela is an example. I had not thought that the gap would be so big, but the findings of Kazimierz (1889) and Jozefa (1893) indicated that Angela was older than her siblings. The most important thing is that there are documents and access to them. And some experience helps too.

-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

looking for clues — Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:08 pm

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 5:08 pm

Amajkut, you might find this site about Podkamien interesting. Lots of good links. https://www.podkamien.pl/news.php You need to sign in to see some of the areas.

Diane

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

Amajkut — Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:49 pm

Author: Amajkut

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 4:49 pm

BarbOslo wrote:

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:39 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:39 pm

Here is Angela's (Aniela's) birth record. She was born on March 5th, 1885 in Podkamień. Parents: Jan and Katarzyna nee Bock.
Jan's parents: Paweł Olender and Marianna nee Sterhaluk.
Katarzyna's parents: Antoni Bock and Katarzyna nee Kieffman.

-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:37 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:37 pm

Hi,
The family lived in Podkamien. I have now found Angela's brother, Kazimierz Olander born August 1st, 1889 and sister Jozefa born March 23rd, 1893. Parents: Jan Olander and Katarzyna Bock. Hoping to find Angela as well.
-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

looking for clues — Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:03 pm

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:03 pm

I too was unsuccessful in finding the birth records for this family.

In case this provides any clues, I found the following US records -

Marriage index for Aniela Olender and John Majkut
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q28Y-XHX4?lang=en
See Dave's detailed notes above

Naturalization record for Aniela Majkut - Mentioned in the Record of John Majkut (Aniela Majkut's Spouse)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6PGL-MN9Y?lang=en
born: Galicia 9 Oct 1891

Marriage index for Stella Maciejko and William Kattner
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2464-LQ7?lang=en
parents: Adam Maciejko and Margaret Shafski

Naturalization record for Stella or Stephania Kattner or Maciejko
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HNBT-Q32M?lang=en
Born: Pokamiew, Poland 8 Dec 1902
last residence: Pokamiew, Poland
arrived: 31 Oct 1909

Marriage index for Bernard Maciejko and Sabrina Suskiewiez
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:247V-JRH?lang=en
parents: Adam Maciejko and Margie Wishniewski

Naturalization record for Bronislaw or Bernard Maciejko
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:76YJ-L36Z?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:76B6-X1T2?lang=en
birb: Podkanien, Poland, 6 Oct 1900
last residence: Brody, Poland
arrived: 30 Oct 1909

Diane

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

Amajkut — Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:24 pm

Author: Amajkut

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:24 pm

BarbOslo wrote:

Hi,
I have looked for the Olender /Bąk / Maciejko names while working on your paternal line. Neither of them were born in Milno until 1900.The surname Olender I have seen a few times. Bąk and Maciejko not at all. Most of the Olender names I have seen in the villages of Ratyszcze and Trościaniec. Both belong to the parish of Załoźce (like Milno).
I would like to have seen the Manifest from 1909. Could you share this document with us?
-Barb

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

Amajkut — Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:19 pm

Author: Amajkut

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:19 pm

BarbOslo wrote:

Thank you, Barb! Attached are the 1909 manifests for Aniela from Hamburg & Ellis Island (highlighted her and her niece/nephew)

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

dnowicki — Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:46 pm

Author: dnowicki

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:46 pm

Amajkut wrote:

I posted about my paternal line and received SO much help (Thank you!). I'm hoping someone can help find my maternal line, as I'm at a standstill on that as well. I have spent about 50 hours, searching all the forums I can (JewishGen, FamilyAncestry, Gesher Galicia, Lebgens, Geneteka) with no luck.

I am trying to find my great great grandfather (Jan Olender) and great great grandmother (Katarzyna Bąk). Here is what I know:

Great Great Grandfather: Jan Olender

Great Great Grandmother: Katarzyna Bąk

Their daughter (my Great Grandmother): Aniela Olender

ANY help with tracing Jon Olender & Katarzyna Bąk would be greatly appreciated. The family history is that one of them was Jewish, but I know Aniela was practicing Catholic. I have found no record of Aniela's parents immigrating to USA.

Thank you greatly.

Hi Audrey,

A few ideas for your Olender line…

1) If Aniela was born in Milno in the parish of Załoźce in either 1891 or 1893 and since the Geneteka index only covers the years 1867-1890 you could look for her birth on Family Search at your local library. If her parents were married prior to 1867 and she was born late in their marriage the same would hold true for them. Family Search images have several advantages—the images which were originally microfilmed have been digitized which allows for the clearest possible images and they are images from records housed at two archives, one in Poland and the other in Ukraine. Although they cannot be accessed from the comfort of home, can be viewed at your local affiliated library. When the Genealogical Society of Utah (affiliated with the Church of Latter-Day Saints sought permission to film the records the Society entered into a contract with each archive and most likely that contract requires that the images be viewed at a Family History Center or an Affiliated Library.

2) If she was born in Podkamien, there are several parishes with that name within a 25km radius of Załoźce. In order to determine which one is the correct parish my First recommendation would be to contact St. Hedwig Parish in Wilmington and requesting a photocopy of Aniela & Jan’s marriage entry in the parish marriage register, which should include the name of the parish/parishes where they were baptized. As migration both both within Europe and to America increased during the third quarter of the 19th century be Catholic Church required the priest who witnessed and blessed a marriage to send notification to the parishes where the parties had been baptized and thus, in order to do so, he usually entered that information in the marriage register. In theory notifications were sent to Europe and the information entered into the proper baptismal register but in reality the notifications were seldom sent. However, priests who were detail oriented were diligent about entering the baptismal information in the Parish Marriage Register.

Attached is a copy of the civil registration of Jan and Aniela’s marriage. The entry in the return which gives their place of origin as Austria would be of absolutely no help. However, the ecclesiastical entry in the marriage register should be much more specific. I’ve made the suggestion fairly often in the past and more times than not the strategy proved successful. Unfortunately there are no guarantees but it is certainly worth a try. You already have Jan’s birth & baptism record but the register should contain the same info for Aniela, which should lead you to the desired information. There were two Polish Catholic parishes in Wilmington, St. Hedwig and St. Stanislaus but St. Stanislaus was not founded until after the year of their marriage. If you go the above route please be sure to request a copy of the entry in the register and not a certificate.

Here is the contact information for St. Hedwig’s:
St. Hedwig Church
408 S. Harrison Street, Wilmington, Delaware, 19805
Parish Office
Telephone: 302-594-1400, ext. 1
Fax: 302-594-1415
Email: sthedwigchurch@comcast.net
www.sthedwigde.org
sthedwigde sthedwigdelaware

Parish Office Business Hours
Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday
9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
Tuesday Evening
6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.

Another option would be to use Family Search which has the filmed sacramental registers for St. Hedwig parish but only some are digitized and the marriage register is not one of them. It is still on a 35 mm microfilm reel. It is possible to request a lookup of the record from Family Search but I’m not familiar with the process of doing that since I’ve never done it myself.

Here is the link to the catalog for St. Hedwig parish https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/626281

Also, since some of the records which have not been digitized may be helpful in your research you may consider requesting that the records which have not been digitized be put on the list of films to be digitized.

Here is a link to a detailed map of Galicia which you may find helpful: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CarteNouvelledesRoyaumesdeGalizieetLodomerie_large.jpg

Wishing you continued success,

Dave

Re: Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

BarbOslo — Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:21 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:21 pm

Hi,
I have looked for the Olender /Bąk / Maciejko names while working on your paternal line. Neither of them were born in Milno until 1900.The surname Olender I have seen a few times. Bąk and Maciejko not at all. Most of the Olender names I have seen in the villages of Ratyszcze and Trościaniec. Both belong to the parish of Załoźce (like Milno).
I would like to have seen the Manifest from 1909. Could you share this document with us?
-Barb

Please Help- Galicia Grandparents

Amajkut — Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:11 pm

Author: Amajkut

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:11 pm

I posted about my paternal line and received SO much help (Thank you!). I'm hoping someone can help find my maternal line, as I'm at a standstill on that as well. I have spent about 50 hours, searching all the forums I can (JewishGen, FamilyAncestry, Gesher Galicia, Lebgens, Geneteka) with no luck.

I am trying to find my great great grandfather (Jan Olender) and great great grandmother (Katarzyna Bąk). Here is what I know:

Great Great Grandfather: Jan Olender

Great Great Grandmother: Katarzyna Bąk

Their daughter (my Great Grandmother): Aniela Olender