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Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:14 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:14 pm

Alright. So maybe the missing years are at familyseach.org. I also have Hungarian ancestors, and I learned to identify names or a word in records. Then I can sort of dictionary my way around. Russian has been intense, but this whole brickwall only came down on Mother's Day, so it's all still pretty new.
Thank you for still looking and all your help.
Kevin

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:59 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:59 pm

kyushukev wrote:

That would be great. Also,if you would enlighten me on how you are finding these, I'd appreciate it. I've gone through the archives, and I'm not seeing them. I had looked in 1883 and beyond, but they could have had another in 1882 if the spacing held.
Thanks again.
Kevin

Hi again,
I found these on FamilySearch. I know Russian, so that helps a little.

-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:31 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 5:31 pm

That would be great. Also,if you would enlighten me on how you are finding these, I'd appreciate it. I've gone through the archives, and I'm not seeing them. I had looked in 1883 and beyond, but they could have had another in 1882 if the spacing held.
Thanks again.
Kevin

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:46 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:46 pm

Kevin, do you need Olga's and Michael's birth records?

-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:08 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:08 pm

That's incredible. How are you finding them? I tried and there was a gap from 1878 or 9 until 1883. They may have had even 1 more.
I was looking yesterday and even had trouble locating Piotr's 1876 birth for a cleaner link.

I know when Maryanna married in 1886, they were living "in the building of the Kalisz Department of Finance." I found a plan for the 1820 building in Kalisz with servant's quarters on the 3rd floor. https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/jednostka/-/jednostka/24676575
This isn't the same building as on the 1878 map by the churches. https://polona.pl/item-view/c8ed9ba4-8d9a-46d8-80f0-204147371105?page=0. They may have had to add a wing for Adam and Anna.

I think Adam was a guard or something similar there. From a google translate of his death record you found: "Yaviliy Ivan Yakovenko, sixty years old, and Lavrenty Meilichtan, forty years old, retired council officers, servants at the [Kolishennaya?] Treasury Chamber, residing in the city of Kalish, reported: that on the sixteenth day of April of the current year at four o'clock in the afternoon, died Adam Gołovna, a retired non-commissioned officer of the [Kolishennaya?] Kalinskaya Chamber, who lived in the city of [Kalisz] fifty-four years old..."

It's odd how the children disappear except for Olga's wedding and 1st child, at least for me so far.
Thanks again,
Kevin

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:06 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:06 pm

Hi Kevin,
I found the birth record of Olga Gołownia. She was born on October 7th, 1878. And another child of Adam and Anna nee Borowska. Son Michał was born on October 1st, 1880.
Regards,
-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:10 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 5:10 pm

Well, Ill be.....That's the word I couldn't get to translate. органистом
As you can tell, my Russian is non-existent. That does explain why he appears on so many records, just as church employees are on Adam's and Wojciech's marriages to Anna, and Maryanna Borowska's wedding records. I just can't thank you enough for your help. Anna had a pretty interesting life. There still may be a surprise or two left. At some point, I want to see what people think about my choice for Maryanna's father.
Take care.

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:15 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:15 pm

It looks like it's your Wojciech. All records include both age and occupation.
When his son Tadeusz (with Wartska) was born in 1909, Wojciech was an organist and 46 years old. This gives an estimated birth year of 1863.
When his son Boleslaw (with Borowska) was born, he was an organist, 28 years old. This also gives an estimated birth year of 1863.
He moved a lot from place to place.

-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Mon Aug 18, 2025 3:04 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 3:04 pm

I had the previous one ready when I saw your latest. They married in Jan, so they didn't have to get married.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/skan/-/skan/7f8242ffe179c14dd90f34f12dff095932d8452700f011335cf776c0cc9c062f
So Anna was a grandmother. Thank you again.

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:36 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 2:36 pm

Yes, Adam was Orthodox. The following is Catholic.
It looks like the churches changed the content of the records and stopped adding the ages and occupations of the witnesses, so I don't have that anymore on these later ones.
That said, I managed to find this:
Kościelec (par. rzymskokatolicka) - birth/baptism record, year 1909 , Duplikat akt urodzeń, małżeństw i zgonów parafii Kościelec [za] 1909 rok
Tadeusz , parents: Wojciech Tanaś, Lucyna Wartska ,
Other people appearing in the document:
Antoni Januszewski - świadek
Michał Witanowski - świadek
Kazimierz Janicki - chrzestny
Marianna Lisiecka - chrzestna
Indexer notes:
zm. w 1951 w Turku
Archiwum Państwowe w Poznaniu Oddział w Koninie
769/6.1/102, scan 23
As he seems to be the only Wojciech Tanas, I would say he's mine, and Anna was deceased by this point. I checked records and didn't see anything in Kościelec
I see Kościelec is close to where Boleslaw married.

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Mon Aug 18, 2025 1:39 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 1:39 pm

Hi,
I found only one child of Piotr Iwanow and Olga Holownia. A daughter named Nadieżda who was born in Kalisz on November 21st, 1896. Here is the link. Scan 77. No. 58.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/11950449?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=5&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=11950449

-Barb

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:53 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:53 am

Access to Szukaj w archiwach for those of us who do not live in Poland was gone for almost a week.
Yes, Wojciech was born on April 12th, 1862 in Kaczkach Mostowych parish of Turek.
Weddings between Catholics and Orthodox have happened often. If I remember correctly, Adam G/Holownia was Orthodox, but Anna was Catholic.

-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Mon Aug 18, 2025 10:48 am

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 10:48 am

Thanks again Barb. This is the 1st time in several days I could access the Archives (something about a secure connection). I found Wojciech's birth at BaSIA, and also saw he was a witness for a number of baptisms in the early 1900's. Boleslaw witnessed 2. Now I can verify if it's them by checking his age, although I imagine it is. I also saw they are Orthodox, which surprised me as it looks like the wedding was registered in the Catholic Church.
Zbiersk was part of his original area, as he was born in Turek Parish. His witnessing occurred in several towns, and I wonder if that was part of his job. I use this and think it's great if you haven't: https://mapcarta.com/
I haven't seen any signs of a 2nd marriage for Wojciech. Or marriages for the Glownia children besides Olga in 1896 in Kalisz.
Hopefully, the Archives will stay open for me.
Take care,
Kevin

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:15 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 9:15 am

Hi again,
Here is the birth record of Boleslaw Tanas. No. 12.

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/11962191?_Jednostka_delta=20&_Jednostka_resetCur=false&_Jednostka_cur=2&_Jednostka_id_jednostki=11962191

He was born in Zbiersk, February 20th, 1891.

-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:02 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:02 pm

Thanks for your help, Tish. I do have all that. Marianna Winkler was my g-gm, who lived long enough for me to meet her. If any one here has ancestry, I have it all posted there in my tree, The Theory of Riley-tivity.
I'm still digesting all of Barb's contributions. This forum has been a big help.
Take care,
Kevin

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

Trish — Tue Aug 12, 2025 2:58 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 2:58 pm

kyushukev wrote:

First post here. I finally found my Winkler and Boroswki ancestors after some 20 years.
My 3-g-gm Anna Borowski was born in Kakawa in 1845 and had my 2-g-gm Maryanna in 1867 there. There's no father mentioned, and I don't think that went over well, as she and baby are in Kalisz by 1870, where she married Adam Głownia in 1870 in the Orthodox Church. Maryanna married Mateusz Winkler in 1886 in St. Joseph's, and the Borowskis lived in the Kalisz Department of Finance, which I think is building X on this 1878 map, up by the churches.
https://polska-org.pl/7791773,foto.html (Izba Skarbowa).
I've been searching for period pictures of Kalisz, and haven't been able to find any, which seems odd.
The Winklers were from around Mogilno in Poznan.
I believe I have the father's family figured out, but I don't have a positive ID on him, if anyone wants to play detective sometime.
Take care,
Kevin

Hi Kevin and Barb,

Kevin, I don't want to duplicate your work, but I found 2 children for Mateusz Winkler and Marianna Borowska.

https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=15wp&rid=B&search_lastname=winkler&search_name=mat*&search_lastname2=&search_name2=mar*&from_date=&to_date=

Marianna Winkler Birth Record
Born: 25 March 1887
Record #73 - Scan #29 - Page #13
Father was 26 years old. Mother was 19 years old.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/skan/-/skan/fb6f08436390feb4788710c52d764429f00a11ced452893e73f423b0e640d3ad

Jan Winkler Birth Record
Born: 1 May 1889
Record #4 - Scan #4 - Page #2
Father was 28 years old. Mother was 20 years old.
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/skan/-/skan/ccac1b9151af7f931be083f69e9cf22dcffbf69af1d92fa3d105118c90dbb072

I did see on the Poznan Project the marriage information for Mateusz Winkler and Marianna Borowska.
Catholic parish Kalisz - par. św. Józefa [Kalisch-St.Joseph]
entry 20 / 1886
Mateusz Winkler (36 years old) 100%
father: Wojciech , mother: Rozalia
Marianna Borowska (19 years old)
mother: Anna

I'm sure Barb or Marcel can read translate the birth records for you, and give you clues from the record.

I believe you have the birth record for Mateusz Winkler from family search.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSX8-W915-1?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6FCZ-69BP&action=view&cc=4116415&lang=en&groupId=M9FK-Q5J

Here is the marriage index from the Poznan Project for Mateusz's parents - Wojciech and Rozalia.
Catholic parish Kamieniec (Mogilno) [Kaminiec]
entry 17 / 1855
Adalbertus Winkler (34 years old, widower) 100%
Rosalia Lebiedzińska (19 years old)

Here is the record from family search.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSX8-W9R5-J?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6FCX-4SR5&action=view&lang=en&groupId=M9FK-Q51

Regards,
Trish

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Tue Aug 12, 2025 12:35 pm

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 12:35 pm

This just gets more and more interesting. She was about 45 when she married Wojciech, so I didn't think to look for children. "Wojciech Tanas, bachelor, 27 years old, born in the village of Kaczki Mostowe of the parish and district of Turek"
Thanks once again.
Kevin

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Tue Aug 12, 2025 12:00 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 12:00 pm

Maybe something new?
Anna and her second husband Wojciech also had a child together. Their son Bolesław was born about 1891 in parish Zbiersk. Unfortunately I was unable to find his birth record. But here is his marriage record from 1933. This says that mother (Anna) was not alive in 1933. Wojciech was alive.
https://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,detail,363397,46

-Barb

Kakawa to Kalisz

kyushukev — Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:51 am

Author: kyushukev

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:51 am

Wow! You certainly are better at searching than I am. So that means at least 3 children for Adam and Anna. If you could share them, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

Re: Kakawa to Kalisz

BarbOslo — Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:35 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 6:35 pm

kyushukev wrote:

Hi Barb;
That I don't have. I have the date from Anna's wedding to Wojciech Tanas. I have the documents for this, Adam and Ann's wedding, and Olga's wedding to Piotr iwanaw.
I didn't have a chance to thank you for the pictures. Using the map, they helped to get a little bit of a sense of the city.
Thanks for taking the time to help me. I've come to like Anna in the last few months since I found her.

Hi,
Here is the death record of Adam Gołownia. He died on April 16th, 1887 in Kalisz, aged 54. Son of the late Demian Gołownia. Adam was born in Minsk Governorate. He left behind his wife Anna nee Borowska.

I also found the birth record of daughter Anastasia and son Piotr.

-Barb