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Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Tue May 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Thanks Joe!

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

jkoloj — Tue May 28, 2013 12:45 pm

Author: jkoloj

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:45 pm

Recently added the following records to FindAGrave website: Jozef Bielanski (1875-1941); wife, Bromislawa (1884-1958); son, Franciszek (1908-1947); daughter, Rita (1926-1987). The above were all buried in Resurrection Cemetery in Justice, IL.

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:57 am

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:57 am

I have received the obituaries of Jozef Bielanksi (d.1941) and his wife Bronislawa Lenart Bielanska (d.1958). As I mentioned on this forum, I was curious exactly how they were related, because my grandmother Aniela Lenart was going to "uncle Jozef Bielanski", Chicago, when she arrived in 1913. Jozef's obit didn't mention his parents, but at least one Chicago document named them - Vincent and Magdalen. Bronislawa's obit named her mother Franciszka, but didn't name a father. I was told that Aniela's father Klemens' mother was named Regina, so it doesn't appear that Bronislawa and Klemens were siblings...

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:31 am

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:31 am

Tekla,
I'm sorry that I didn't see your question until today, and I'm sorry that I gave you a bad link. I'm going to go back and shorten it. You probably know this now, but I thought I'd answer it anyway. To search what microfilms Family Search has, when you are at https://familysearch.org/ go to catalog, and then enter a place name.
Cheri

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

tekla — Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:06 pm

Author: tekla

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:06 pm

Thanks again to all.

Yes, I see that you are surely correct as to the location of Karol Bielanski. I have noted the information from the FamilySearch Film Library, have copied the appropriate pages of the Konigen Luise manifest, and John Bielanski's draft registration card.

Please tell me how you searched FamilySearch so as to find that they have microfilm of the Laszki Murowane church records. I tried on my own because initially the link didn't work -- and failed completely. (Then I cut and pasted the URL, and that worked fine). But I would still like to know how you did your search.

Best regards,
Tekla

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

tekla — Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:45 pm

Author: tekla

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:45 pm

Thank you all. This is all wonderful information -- I have yet to absorb it all, but I will.

Warm regards,
Tekla

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:33 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:33 pm

Thank you so much Elzbieta!
Tekla, I believe Elzbieta has found the correct place, and if you know of the Family History library, they have filmed some church records from Laszki Murowane. Here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/dxqdwvs

Look at the last name on the list for Lazski Murowane (Stara Sol) Austria, Galizien. The Starodal that I read on the ship manifest is Stara Sol - this was where Karol Bielanski lived. It was in Austria at the time of Jan Bielanski's emigration. All 4 of the different names for Lazki Murowane are of course the same place. I hope this helps you. I'm not sure the dates that they have filmed will or not, but eventually they might as you learn more.
Best of luck!
Cheri

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:49 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:49 pm

Cheri Vanden Berg wrote:

Tekla,
I think this is the John Bielanski that you are looking for on his WWI draft card (born 1891). I haven't tried to find the birth place that is written there yet.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-26463-3402-85?cc=1968530&wc=M9MT-PPY:n1367476086

and Cheri first message:
Have you seen Jan Bielanski on a ship manifest at the Ellis Island site
His contact at home was his father Karol Bielanski. The town he is from is indexed as L. Murowane, Galicia,

===

That is all Lwow area, my parents place.

Line 5 on WWI draft card, Where were you born?
Yaski Murowane, stan Lemberg, Austria

The place is probably Laszki Murowane, it is 8 km distance from the center of Lwow, today in Ukraina.
Three names for Lwow: Lemberg, Lwow, and in Ukrainian Lviv.
Galicia, Austria.

BTW, Czarny Dunajec is 377 km from Lwow.

Kind regards,
Elzbieta

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:39 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:39 pm

Tekla,
I think this is the John Bielanski that you are looking for on his WWI draft card (born 1891). I haven't tried to find the birth place that is written there yet.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-26463-3402-85?cc=1968530&wc=M9MT-PPY:n1367476086

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:25 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:25 pm

Tekla,
Have you seen Jan Bielanski on a ship manifest at the Ellis Island site?
http://tinyurl.com/churvo2
That's the first page. There is a second page. He is going to his brother-in-law Tony Boj in Cleveland on December 6, 1912. His contact at home was his father Karol Bielanski. The town he is from is indexed as L. Murowane, Galicia, but I don't know if that is correct, I didn't find it on a map. Also it gives his birthplace as something like Starodal. I probably don't have that deciphered correctly, as I also did not find that on a map. I will keep working on it, but maybe a better set of eyes, or someone that might be familiar with the villages might be able to help you out.
Cheri

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

tekla — Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:44 pm

Author: tekla

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:44 pm

Thanks -- I had guessed that Czarny Dunajec was within Austria at that time, but it's good to have it confirmed.

Interesting maps!

Regards,
Tekla

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:52 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:52 am

tekla wrote:

-- Most of these details are probably irrelevant to the search for the residence of their father Karol Bielanski, and I'm hoping he will turn up in the neighborhood of Czarny Dunajec. I see that it is near Austria, and I regard that as a hopeful sign.

The historical maps might be of help to situate Austria over time
http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1900/index.html
Czany Dunajec was within Austria in 1900.

Kind regards
--
Elzbieta

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

tekla — Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:23 pm

Author: tekla

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:23 pm

Shellie wrote:

The Bielanski & Bielanska surnames are found in several villages around Czarny Dunajec. If you are researching this family name, please leave a comment or question.

I am searching for Karol Bielanski (wife Maria Stepanczyk); at least 3 of his children emigrated to the United States: Jan, (1891-1934) Antonina (1886-1929), and Katarzyna (1881 – 1918). I have records for these three in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio and several of their descendants. On his marriage record, Jan's birthplace is given as Austria -- and I suppose that this was a piece of Poland that at that time was belonging to Austria. Jan's wife was Magdalena Strzelbicka, Katarzyna's husband was Anton Buj (Boj), and Antonina's husband was John Yacyszyn.

-- Most of these details are probably irrelevant to the search for the residence of their father Karol Bielanski, and I'm hoping he will turn up in the neighborhood of Czarny Dunajec. I see that it is near Austria, and I regard that as a hopeful sign.

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Zenon — Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:27 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:27 am

PL,

If your private message you sent is not in your 'sentbox' this means that it wasn't open yet by receiver. In this case it is still in your 'outbox'. If you still need contacting Cheri please let me know.

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

PolishLibrarian — Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:10 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:10 pm

Cheri~ I seem to be challenged with Private Messaging today. I though I just sent you a message but it wasn't in my sent box. Reply here if you didn't get it. I can't attach the Word documents through here, so would like to send to your regular email (send your email address via private message though). ~PL

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

PolishLibrarian — Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 am

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 am

Cheri~ I will send you a private message with some attachments to look at. ~PL

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:26 am

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:26 am

Wow, thanks. I really do need to dig further. So far I see in the Dziennik Chicagoski Death Notice Index that Brownislawa Bielanski died 10/10/1958. In the notes section of the index was the surname Lenart. Also, I believe I found Jozef's death information at Family Search. He died on August 28, 1941, his wife's name was Bernice, he was born in Zaluczne and his parents were Vincent and Magdalen Bielanski. I'm going to send for Jozef and Brownislawa's obituaries from PGSA. I think it's possible that Brownislawa could be a great aunt of my grandmother's. Her age is actually in the right generation to be an aunt to my grandmother, but maybe if she was a much younger sister of my great-great grandmother Regina Lenart. I don't know any of Regina's siblings names yet.

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

PolishLibrarian — Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:38 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:38 pm

OK I'm going to quit after this post I found an Illinois death record for Frank Bielanski (father Joseph from Zalusna, Poland) born 1909, died 4 May 1947 in Chicago. Mother is listed as Bernice (common American version of Bronislawa) Lenart from Zalusna Poland. Looks like Aniela's father did have a sister or two... If all information provided everywhere is correct. ~PL

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

Cheri Vanden Berg — Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:06 pm

Author: Cheri Vanden Berg

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:06 pm

Thanks again, I really appreciate it! I will have to dig further...

Re: Bielanski - Bielanska family near Czarny Dunajec

PolishLibrarian — Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:00 pm

Author: PolishLibrarian

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:00 pm

Found Jozef on Ellis Island. He’s indexed as Jozef Biclanski from Jalnckne, Gal. on line 16. Arrived Mar. 7, 1911 on the Kronprinz Wilhelm from Bremen, traveling with Feliks Fitek. Looks like he was going to his brother Jan B. in ? (couldn’t get this page to load & the writing is awful on this manifest) but probably Chicago, as that’s where Feliks was going. Left behind wife Bronislawa in Jalnckne.

Found at Ellis Island on lines 10-13 (excellent handwriting on this manifest) Bronislawa Bielanska, daughter Karolina age 9, son Jan age 6, and son Franciszek age 2 arriving from Antwerp on the Lapland on June 12, 1911. They were going to husband/father Jozef Bielanski at 1724 17th St. Chicago. Left behind sister P. Belina in Zalucze, Nowy Targ.

Looks like by 1920 Karolina was living away from home, perhaps married. If you can find a marriage record for her (or the 2 daughters born in the US), you might find Bronsilawa’s maiden name. Perhaps on familysearch as they have all those Chicago Polish church marriage records - or maybe Ute will look; she seems to be the expert on finding those Chicago marriage records . ~PL