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Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

Trish — Tue Sep 23, 2025 2:28 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2025 2:28 pm

Hello Everyone,

Beth, I have several questions for you. I’m just trying to gather as much information so that everyone on the forum can try to locate some type of information for you. The more USA records we have, the better. The USA records could hold tons of clues if we can locate them. Plus the USA records will help us “try” to find information on the family when they were in Poland.

You stated that you are looking for your grandparents – Jacob Weinstein and his wife, Dora, correct? Have you asked anyone in your family such as your Aunts and Uncles what is the maiden name for Dora? Do your Aunts and Uncles know any information about them that could help with your search?

Do you know the cemetery they are buried? The cemetery might have some information about Jacob and Dora. I would try to contact them.

You can send away for the death record for both Jacob and Dora. Here is the link to read up on how to obtain one. https://www.health.ny.gov/vital_records/death.htm
Just put “unknown” for the parents’ names. However, you are going to need a child of Jacob and Dora to fill out the form. Only the spouse, parent, child or sibling of the deceased is entitled to get a death record per the New York website. I would ask a family member for help obtaining the record.

Did you ask a family member if they already have the death certificates? I know when my parents passed away, I asked for an extra death certificate from the funeral director for my own personal records.

I also believe Sophia gave you a lot of information about how to look for death records in New York. Sophia also gave you detailed information on how to look for a how to look for Jacob’s manifest.

As Jajan pointed out, there is a Solomon Weinstein on the naturalization record for Jacob. Do you know of any siblings of Jacob and Dora that were in the USA? Does the family mention any relatives at all?

Barb had offered to contact the Archives in Poland for you. Do you discuss this with her?

Was Jacob or Dora married before? Just curious for I was wondering why there is a big age difference between Beatrice (b.1912) and Rose (b. 1921).

I’m posting the 1930 census for it is troubling me. I would like a second opinion on the matter. Per this census, it is showing Jacob marrying at age 31 which would bring the marriage year about 1922. For Dora is shows her marriage year as 20 years old which bring the marriage to about 1912. Was Dora married before?

The other thing I see is that Jacob came to the USA around 1913. Dora came around 1910. So is this all correct information? Did the census taker make a mistake with the dates? Do you have the family in the 1920 census? I did find them in the 1925 New York Stated census.

Name Jack Weinstein
Birth Year abt 1892
Gender Male
Race White
Age in 1930 38
Birthplace Poland
Marital Status Married
Relation to Head of House Head
Home in 1930 Bronx, Bronx, New York, USA
Map of Home Bronx, Bronx, New York
Street Address Longfellow Ave
Ward of City A. D 6
Block K
House Number 1801
Dwelling Number 34
Family Number 1111
Home Owned or Rented Rented
Home Value 55
Radio Set No
Lives on Farm No
Age at First Marriage 31
Attended School No
Able to Read and Write Yes
Father's Birthplace Poland
Mother's Birthplace Poland
Language Spoken Yiddish
Immigration Year 1913
Naturalization Naturalized
Able to Speak English Yes
Occupation Presses
Industry Cloaks
Class of Worker Wage or salary worker
Employment Yes
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Jack Weinstein 38 Head
Dora Weinstein 37 Wife
Beatrice Weinstein 19 Daughter
Rose Weinstein 9 Daughter
Philip Weinstein 3 Son

Here is the death information for Jacob Weinstein. I did not find the death information for Dora.

Name Jacob Weinstein
State New York
Residence Place New York
Last Place of Residence Bronx, New York
Previous Residence Postal Code 1045
Age 89
Birth Date 10 Dec 1891
Death Date Jun 1980

Once last question, do you know the Yiddish/Jewish given names for your Jacob and Dora? This is another reason why we are having trouble finding them for their names could be spelled different.

Hope this is all food for thought! Have a wonderful day!
Regards,
Trish

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

Sophia — Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:59 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:59 pm

Regarding the manifest, he should have sailed on the ship Bremen, from the port of Bremen, arriving at Ellis Island on or about 18 December, 1913 if we trust what was written in his naturalization petition. Sometimes those are correct, sometimes not. As I understand it, no one has been able to find his manifest yet. I will add that he may have come with his wife and child or he may have come first and sent for them to arrive later. Either is a possibility.

If you want to see the manifest for the ship Bremen, here is a list of her arrivals in the year 1913:
https://stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.php?series=&rollStart=&rollEnd=&volumeStart=&volumeEnd=&monthStart=&dayStart=&yearStart=1913&monthEnd=&dayEnd=&yearEnd=1913&boatkind=starts&boat=Bremen&offset=1&portkind=starts&port=&pageSize=50&database=all&local=yes&auth=
And you see the most promising one arrived on 17 December. I did look, briefly, at it, but you may wish to go through the pages yourself and be certain. And if you do not find him there, you may try an earlier arrival date.

Here's what you do. Click on the blue underlined "Bremen" and it will take you to the first image of that manifest. Beneath that, you see the keys for "frame" which is probably self explanatory. Advance by one page using Frame +1, go back two pages by using Frame-2. You see that the first few images are just US citizens, so skip them. You will find the handwriting is not optimal. You might try scanning down the surname column first, looking for Weinstein, then scanning back up the page in the given name column, looking for Jacob. You might just look at the nationality column and notice that a given page has only people from Hungary, and not scan the names on that page at all. See what technique works for you. It was a large ship with a lot of passengers, so the manifest will be very long.

If you feel like he may not have meant the ship Bremen, but just filled that in because all he remembered was the port he had sailed on, here is a listing of all the ships that arrived at Ellis Island from the 10th to the 31st of December 1913:
https://stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.php?series=&rollStart=&rollEnd=&volumeStart=&volumeEnd=&monthStart=12&dayStart=10&yearStart=1913&monthEnd=12&dayEnd=31&yearEnd=1913&boatkind=starts&boat=&offset=1&portkind=starts&port=&pageSize=50&database=all&local=yes&auth=
Looking at this list, I see the ship Main arrived on 18 December, also having sailed from Bremen. This would be my next choice for a manifest to look at.

Let me know if I have been unclear in my instructions, or if you want to find some other ship or other date.

Good luck,
Sophia

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

Sophia — Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:04 pm

Author: Sophia

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:04 pm

If he died before 1948 in NYC then you can see the death certificate yourself, online, for free. Although this has a place to fill in the number of the death certificate, you can ignore that, it is not necessary:
https://stevemorse.org/vital/nycgov.html?type=death
If you are unsure of his year of death, then search just by his name and look at the various records that come up. It will not give you a specific town of birth, it will likely just say Poland, but it will give his parents' names if the person filling out the information on the death certificate actually knew that. So what would help, if you have to sift through a bunch of these, is if you recognize some other detail on the death cert such as where he was living or the name of his wife or even the name of the cemetery he was buried in.
If he died later than 1948, then this will not help.
Sophia

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

BarbOslo — Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:45 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:45 pm

Hi,
I checked every resource I could find. There are no years that could be of help to us, unfortunately. I could possibly write an email to AP Bialystok, Lomza branch and ask if they have the synagogue records from the years Dora, Jakub and their daughter were born.
Yes, Manifest can contain important information.

-Barb

Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

jajan — Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:44 pm

Author: jajan

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:44 pm

grandfatherseach wrote:

hello,

I have been trying desperately to find the ship manifest but not finding anything, the naturalization record has date and ship name but I can not locate. I made a request at the national archives so maybe they will be able to locate.

I attempted to get death certificate of grandfather but in New York City the name of both parents are required which I do not have.

Just a thought: On the Naturalization petition, it appears that one witness is a Solomon Weinstein. Maybe trying to find more about him might be helpful?

Good Luck with your search, jajan.

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

grandfatherseach — Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:35 pm

Author: grandfatherseach

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:35 pm

hello,

I have been trying desperately to find the ship manifest but not finding anything, the naturalization record has date and ship name but I can not locate. I made a request at the national archives so maybe they will be able to locate.

I attempted to get death certificate of grandfather but in New York City the name of both parents are required which I do not have.

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

Trish — Fri Sep 19, 2025 12:38 pm

Author: Trish

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2025 12:38 pm

grandfatherseach wrote:

Thank you Barb for sharing that information with the group. I did discover all that online through public records. I guess I’m trying to get insight from the group as to how to gather information from his home country Poland/ Russia. The public records give no evidence of his birth place, parents etc.

Thank you
Beth

Hi Beth,

I understand you are looking for records from Poland for your ancestors. I was hoping to find the ship's manifest for Jacob and his family because it could be full of clues. Some clues could be a relative was still in the "old country of where the family came from", another clue could be they are going to a relative in the USA. These are all important clues to help find your family.

Did you get the death records for Jacob and Dora? It could list their parents' names.

Regards,
Trish

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

grandfatherseach — Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:53 pm

Author: grandfatherseach

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 1:53 pm

Thank you Barb for sharing that information with the group. I did discover all that online through public records. I guess I’m trying to get insight from the group as to how to gather information from his home country Poland/ Russia. The public records give no evidence of his birth place, parents etc.

Thank you
Beth

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

Trish — Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:50 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:50 am

BarbOslo wrote:

Hi,
Good to hear from you, Trish. Can you track down his Manifest?

-Barb

Hi Barb,
I'm trying to find the manifest now. I did find the family in the 1825 New York State census as well as in the 1930, 1940, and 1950. I'm trying to find them in the 1920 census too. I do know their children were Beatrice, Rose, and Philip. Only Beatrice was born in Poland.

Warm Regards,
Trish

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

BarbOslo — Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:13 am

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:13 am

Hi,
Good to hear from you, Trish. Can you track down his Manifest?

-Barb

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

Trish — Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:37 am

Author: Trish

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2025 8:37 am

Hi Everyone,

Here is the naturalization record so that you can look at it. I'm trying to find the manifest now.

Warm Regards,
Trish

aNme Jacob Weinstein
Petition Age 33
Record Type Naturalization Petition
Birth Date 10 Dec 1891
Birth Place Lomza, Russia
Departure Place Bremen, Germany
Arrival Date 18 Dec 1913
Arrival Place New York
Petition Date 17 Jun 1925
Petition Place New York, USA
Spouse Dora
Source Citation
The National Archives in Washington, DC; Washington, DC; NAI Title: Index to Petitions For Naturalizations Filed in Federal, State, and Local Courts in New York City, 1792-1906; NAI Number: 5700802; Record Group Title: Records of District Courts of the United States, 1685-2009; Record Group Number: Rg 21

weinstein

grandfatherseach — Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:57 pm

Author: grandfatherseach

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:57 pm

hi
Unfortunately I do not have his parents names, he was married in Poland and according to the Naturalization document he said wife Dora was from Lomza Poland ( Born sept. 15, 1892)
and daughter Beatrice. (Born August 20, 1912) Russia

Country of origin Republic of Russia in some areas it says Poland. I do not have any documents that might have been from Poland/Russia only since he was in the USA like Census.

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

BarbOslo — Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:33 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:33 pm

You mentioned that you have not found the Manifest, but could you share with us the naturalization from 1920. Was he married in Poland or USA? Do you know something about his parents?

-Barb

Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

grandfatherseach — Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:28 pm

Author: grandfatherseach

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:28 pm

Hi Jacob Weinstein that is how it was spelled in USA documents not sure if there was a different spelling before he emigrated, see dates on my initial post.

Re: Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

BarbOslo — Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:20 pm

Author: BarbOslo

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:20 pm

Hi,
Welcome to the Forum.
In order to help you, we need a little more information. Do you have any documents you can share with us?
Your grandfather's last name can be spelled in many ways: Weinstein, Wejnstein, Wensztejn...

Regards,
-Barb

Weinstein from Lomza Russia (Poland)

grandfatherseach — Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:15 pm

Author: grandfatherseach

Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:15 pm

Hello all,
I am brand new to this forum, trying to find out information about my grandfather Jacob Weinstein. I have found naturalization documents and have discovered.....
He was Jewish and born in 1891 in Lomza Russin (Poland) and emigrated to New York USA in 1913 with his wife and one daughter, on the Bremen Ship from Germany (unfortunately I could not find the passenger list from there) He did get his naturalization in the USA in 1920.

Not sure if he changed is name prior to coming to USA.
Any insight to name or possible location of birth town or where to find other records would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
Bethc