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Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

Henryk — Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:51 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:51 pm

In my family village, the houses were rebuilt after WWII, and the house numbers changed. But I have read that house numbers were changed a number of times. For example:
http://www.halgal.com/house%20number.html

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House Numbers as found on vital records

One of the most interesting features of the records from Galicia/Halychyna during the years of the Austrian rule (1772 – 1918) is the House Number.

The House Number is the number of the house where the particular event took place, e.g.. birth, marriage or death. One can quickly run down this column and look for specific house numbers to easily find ancestors. Also, it’s a great way to track movement of families within the village.
Often, a house was occupied by several families. One can easily find other families living in the same house as your own ancestors. This clue would take you to research that other family’s line back to see if there is a connection to your own family. Without seeing the House Number, you might not have known to take this course of action.

House Numbers were usually assigned chronologically, with No. 1 being in the center of the village or near the church or at one end of the village. The numbers increase as they numbered the houses out from the center or church or across to the other end of the village.

As a new house was built, it got the next number in sequential order. As you can imagine, soon the order of the numbering lost it’s specific geographic location. So, House Number 95 may be on the opposite side of the village from House Number 96. Earlier numbers, though, maybe next to each other if the houses were next to each other at the time the numbering system for that village was developed.

There are certain misconceptions about the House Number that must be mentioned. One should not jump to conclusions or over estimate the real value. Keep in mind that many births occurred at a neighbor’s, relative’s or even the midwife’s house. Therefore, the house number that was recorded by the parish priest on the record may not necessarily be the family’s home.
For marriage records, many times only one House Number was written down by the priest. Though my experience shows that this was usually the groom’s House Number, it was not always so. Sometimes, the House Number didn’t belong to either of the married couple, making me wonder where the connection is. Could it be a priest’s error? Could the error have been made when a duplicate copy of the registry was written for the Bishop’s Consistory (such copies were known as the "Bishop’s Copies")?

One should never look ONLY at the House Number for ancestors in the parish books. You must also check names, of course.

In most cases, this House Number was abandoned long ago before anyone living can remember. However, there is an exciting source of records available, known as Cadasters, which can expound on the House Number as well as lead to more ancestors. I personally feel that these records bring all of the vital records to life.

Personal Account

When I visited the village of my ancestors, I asked several people about the House Numbers. No one remembered any of the house numbers assigned during the Austrian rule. However, some residents did remember that the numbers assigned in the years between the wars, when the region was controlled by Poland, replaced a previous system. However, after WWII, the houses in these three villages were changed yet again. Some of the older residents even remembered their own House Number from before the Second World War.

With the information found on the cadasters and on the associated maps, I was able to follow the streets of my ancestral village since they did not change at all in the last 160 years!! I was able to walk up and down the streets and know exactly who lived in these houses over one hundred years earlier. Of course, most of the houses were newer, as the village was the scene of some of the most fierce fighting during WWII. However, from meeting the residents, I discovered that often the SAME family lived in the house.

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

Henryk — Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:31 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:31 pm

My apologies. Yes, at maximum resolution one can see the house/building numbers on top of them. The lot numbers show first, at lower resolutions.

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

wisniewski98 — Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:22 pm

Author: wisniewski98

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:22 pm

Thanks, that is the one I remember. I had thought it listed house numbers not the lot numbers. how would a person find out if the village was renumbered? Does each village have it own set of lot/house numbers? Would the house numbers be relatively close to the lot numbers, would they be the same if the village was not renumbered?

Michael

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

efc3011 — Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:47 pm

Author: efc3011

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:47 pm

Shellie,
The link opened for me! Thanks for this!!

Elaine

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

Henryk — Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:00 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:00 pm

It does not give the house address numbers, but I presume it gives the lot numbers.
Select "dane o charakterze katastralny" on the left menu.
Note that the current house numbers are not necessarily those given in the pre 1900 vital records. My family village was renumbered.

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

Shellie — Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:59 am

Author: Shellie

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:59 am

Michael,
You are referring to the current cadastral map of Poland.

http://mapy.geoportal.gov.pl/

Let me know if you are able to open this link - I was not able to open it today.

Shellie

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

wisniewski98 — Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:47 pm

Author: wisniewski98

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:47 pm

Thanks, The map I was looking for deals with smaller villages also. It gave house numbers and I believe it outlined the parcel of land that was associtated with the house number.

Re: help with finding map of house numbers in poland

ronjohn8 — Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:35 pm

Author: ronjohn8

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:35 pm

i have been on google map quest and i have been able to zoom on only the larger cities like warsaw and krakow..there you can manuver right down the streets.

help with finding map of house numbers in poland

wisniewski98 — Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:54 pm

Author: wisniewski98

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:54 pm

I remember someone posting a link, and I remember looking at the link, you could zoom in on a map and find the house number of the house that your ancestors lived in, if you knew the house number. Or it was something along the lines of this description. Does anyone remember this? Could someone please tell me the web address or link to this site? Maybe I saw it somewhere else, but I thought it was on this site.

Thanks for any help or input,
Michael