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Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

kaisyrk — Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:26 pm

Author: kaisyrk

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:26 pm

Actually, I believe Traveler is looking for Stefania (Krysiak) Plona. Plonia is a not the correct spelling. I believe Stefania may be living or lived near Pupkowizna.

Jan Krysiak. Anna Podkaj

traveler — Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:31 pm

Author: traveler

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:31 pm

Hi Elzbieto,
you lead me to the following website: http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=49&sub=926
On this website are the following relatives:
Krysiak Jan - - Zalas - - Piotr - Ewa Szulnicka - 1886 - 11, Father of Ignatius Krysiak, Jan died Feb 2, 1886
Krysiak Podkaj Anna - - Zalas - domo Podkaj - Kazimierz - Marianna Cicha - 1892 – 145, Wife of Jan Krysiak

Thank you for finding this list!
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:33 am

Author: traveler

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:33 am

Hi Elzbieto
thank you ever so much for all this information. I will work on updating my records and correcting the mistakes which were probably made on the immigration papers. You have been so very helpful, even if I never find the information I am looking for
God bless,
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Bea — Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:25 pm

Author: Bea

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:25 pm

traveler wrote:

(...)
My mother's parents were:
Father -Stanislaw Bestry b.12.25.1885 in Lomza, Podlaskie
his father was Walenty Bystre 1869; his mother was Anna Kaczmarczyk born 1886 Dudowizna, Mazowieckie

1. Surname: "Bestry" or "Bystre" should be: Bystry
2. Something is wrong. Mother was born one year after the birth of her son.
Dudowizna belongs to the parish Poreba-Kocęby. All records (1808-1910) from this parish, were written & they are here: GENETEKA. There is no Anna Kaczmarczyk born record.

traveler wrote:

(...)
Mother: Maryanna A. Polewarczyk born 1888 Piontkowmjzra Russia/Poland
her father was Martin Polewarczyk; her mother was Anna Popielarczyk ( don't know birth dates or towns)

1. "Polewarczyk"should be: Polewaczyk There is a lot of records for that surname.
2. "Piontkowmjzra" should be: Piątkowizna
Piątkowizna belonged to the parish Turośl in 1888. Unfortunately, the books of that period (nineteenth century) is restricted. There are only available book from the years 1890-1908: Archiwum Państwowe w Białymstoku Oddział w Łomży.
Now Piątkowizna belongs to the parish Zalas. Scans of the books are available from the years 1902-1908 (only births and deaths). I checked. There are there surnames: Polewaczyk and Popielarczyk. But other names.

traveler wrote:

(...)
Again, maybe this should be in a separate thread, but might connect to Krysiak/Plona

In the parish Turośl reported birth to two children:
* Catherine Plona in 1829
* Rosalie Plona in 1826

Marriages in Drozdowo & Łomża:
* 1866: Apolinary Dziomeński & Maryanna Plona - in parish Drozdowo,
* 1865: Jakób Plona & Maryanna Kalinowski - in parish Drozdowo,
* 1845: Piotr Plona & Ludwika Aniszewska - in parish Łomża,
* 1864: Julian Wykewski & Anna Plona - in parish Drozdowo

I think that the children in the picture are already adults and probably have a facebook ... Maybe this way you will be able to find something? This will not help - I do not have facebook!
In my opinion, the surname is not written today Plonia .... just something else.

Dzięki Elżbieto !

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:36 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:36 am

Pat,

Bea gives a link (rather series of link) in the above message. I do not understand much (it is a conversatyion with references I am not familiar with). I understood one or two things.
1) Marianny z pewnością brzmi ,,Polewaczyk" - it suggests the name of your Maryanna is Polewaczyk
2) A Good Men made a project here http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/ when you click on the big red WEJSCIE you get to http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/pliki/ then clicking one after another I got here
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/pliki/AP-Pultusk/ where I see Myszyniec with a collection of death records

I got lost, but at one moment get here
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryki.php?op=ch
where you can search names
I wrote "Krysiak", got a map with 50 places, moved to see Myszyniec and nearby.

The small red logo-church right to Myszyniec, click, it shows for Krysiak:
Zespół: 675/D- Łyse
Urodzeń: 135 - birth
Małżeństw: 28 - marriage
Zgonów: 64 -death

Searchibg "Plona" it gives:
Zespół: 675/D- Łyse
Urodzeń: 0
Małżeństw: 1
Zgonów: 1

Probably that way you may seek a little.
Best,
Elzbieta
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Bea: Ide po ciemku, bo nawet jak rozumiem polski, to niekoniecznie rozumiem jak sie tym poslugiwac Nie jestem pewna jak Pat da sobie z tym rade.
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Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Bea — Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:41 pm

Author: Bea

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:41 pm

Elżbieto,
mam ostatnio za dużo na głowie, żeby jeszcze zaangażować się w ten wątek. Jak mi się w życiu uspokoi, to wrócę Gdybyś mogła w między czasie przekazać Pat, to co dowiedziałam się o parafii, do której należała Piątkowizna:
http://genealodzy.pl/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=27535&highlight=
pozdrawiam serdecznie
Beata

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Author: traveler

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Hi Elzbieta,
Thank YOU! I think it worked. I did get an error message about zero results, but I think it might have gone through. I will wait a few days and either try again or write a letter. I so appreciate all your help!
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:15 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:15 pm

Pat,

Their website: Kliknij is broken, actualy I noted a couple of pages with "work in progress".

But, I found one working page:
http://www.parafia.myszyniec.pl/index.php/kontakt

Click on FORMULARZ KONTAKTOWY
then fill it.
Nazwa - your name I presume
Email - your email
Temat - subject
Wiadomosc - type here your message, do not forget you write to the church
--
tick in line "Wyślij do siebie kopię" (to receive a cc copy on your email address)
--
Click on the green "WYSLIJ LIST" on the bottom.

I did not check, no guarantee it works technicaly.

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:56 pm

Author: traveler

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:56 pm

Hi Elzbieta,
thank you ever so much for ALL the information. I have started working on the contacts. For the church in Myszyniec they listed an email on their website: email: Kliknij aby wypełnić formularz kontaktowy. I thought it might be easier for the church to reply by email. however, since I have never sent any emails to Poland, I must be doing something incorrectly since I keep getting an error message. Can you help me with the above email address? In US we have an @ sign - should there be an @ in Kliknij aby wypełnić formularz kontaktowy?
Thank you so very much!
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:47 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:47 am

Pat,

Depending on years you are seeking for, you may have to write to different parishes.
The oldest records: Myszyniec
Between 1884 and 1903: Lyse
Since 1903: Zalas
It is subject to verification in real life. Below you will find how I dig that information.

Best,
Elzbieta
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According to the reference book on line:
"Skorowidz miejscowości Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej z oznaczeniem terytorjalnie im właściwych władz i urzędów oraz urządzeń komunikacyjnych;
Index of localities of the Republic of Poland with designation of competent authorities and offices, including communication facilities
Przemyśl: Książnica Naukowa, rok 1933?, Redaktor [Publisher]: Tadeusz Bystrzycki
Compiled by: Jozej Majewski, secretary of national police, Witold Blazynski, justice of regional court"

On line in various places, I looked up today in Poznan, this website is fast:
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=12786&from=publication

We have Zalas on page 1961 / 2096:
gmina: Lyse
powiat: Ostroleka
wojewodztwo: Bialystok
post office: Lyse
railway station: Rudne-Lyse
bus: Lomza-Myszyniec,
court: (two levels: Myszyniec, Lomza)
parish: (Latin:loco, in place)

Earlier in XIX century the parish was in Myszyniec (history by teachers):
http://www.zszalas.edu.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=71
Na początku XIX wieku Zalas był wsią kurpiowską w gminie Łyse, parafii Myszyniec.

Myszyniec
http://www.parafia.myszyniec.pl/
Parafia pw. Trójcy Przenajświętszej w Myszyńcu
Plac Kardynała Wyszyńskiego 1
07-430 Myszyniec
Proboszcz: ks. kan. mgr Zbigniew Jaroszewski
tel: (29) 772 10 21 -- +48 29 772 10 21

http://www.parafia.myszyniec.pl/index.php/historia-parafii
The parish in Myszyniec is very old, starting in XVII century

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http://www.parafia.myszyniec.pl/index.php/parafie-dekanatu

item Zalas:
Parafia pw. św. Stanisława Kostki
Zalas 105
07-438 ZALAS
gm. Łyse, pow. ostrołęcki, woj. mazowieckie
Next click:
http://www.parafia.myszyniec.pl/index.php/parafie-dekanatu/parafia-w-zalasie
It says that the parish in Zalas started in 1903

item Lyse:
Parafia pw. Chrystusa Króla Wszechświata
ul. Kościelna 18
07-437 ŁYSE
gm. Łyse, pow. ostrołęcki, woj. mazowieckie
It says that the parish in Łyse started 16.09.1884

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Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:15 pm

Author: traveler

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:15 pm

Hi Bea and Elzbieta,
Do you think if I wrote to the church they could provide some information on my great grand parents? If I was to do this, what is the name of this church and the street name also.
Thank you for your help,
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:09 am

Author: traveler

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:09 am

Hi Bea and Elzbieta,
Thank you for all your efforts! My cousin said : about 80% of our relatives came from the Lyse/Zalas/Kolno area.
I would have drawn the same conclusion you did Elizbieta about my parents just traveling and taking a photo of a nice church except that they only took 12 photos on the entire trip and most had relatives in them or signs of the villages they visited. So it was as if they were telling a story and for that reason I believe this village of Myszyniec was visited for a purpose. My parents had been before to Poland and on that visit found where my grandfather had died and commissioned a memorial marker be made. on this trip they took a picture of it and visited relatives whom they had been sending packages of goods to help them better their lives. the two other people in the car are my aunt and uncle who also were on the trip to visit relatives.
Bea, I think your hint above about Piatkowizna is very telling since my cousin says most came from the Lyse/Zalas/Kolno area. thank you for finding the Myszyniec connection! You are amazing.
again, thank you both for all your help.
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Bea — Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:40 pm

Author: Bea

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:40 pm

Quote:

Mother: Maryanna A. Polewarczyk born 1888 Piontkowmjzra Russia/Poland

"Piontkowmjzra" = Piątkowizna (now parish Zalas !! & in 1887 parish Turośl)
Zalas (gmina Łyse) - parish since 1903, before in parish Myszyniec

I must go sleep

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Bea — Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:40 pm

Author: Bea

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:40 pm

Vehicle registration plates tells us that, the car owner lives in the Warsaw district Ochota.

WH

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Bea — Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:22 pm

Author: Bea

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:22 pm

Church in Myszyniec is worth a look. My family often traveled to unique places in Poland. We were also Myszyniec, still 100 kilometers from home.

http://goo.gl/maps/KmZmM
Look, your photo has been done here.

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:19 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:19 pm

traveler wrote:

Hi Ezbieta and Bea,
I very much appreciate all your information. Most of my relatives did come from the North East and I have a picture of my Mom in Myszyniec when my parents went back to Poland to visit relatives. We just don't know why they visited Myszyniec. So I believe the information you found related to Myszyniec might be correct! I have a cousin who is researching this with me and will probably be able to provide more information. I am sending her the above information and will get back to you with what she has to contribute.
I thought since my Father took the picture of my Mother in the village, that Myszyniec MIGHT be related to HER parents.

Thank you again,
Pat

Hi Pat,

For me visiting Myszyniec is straghtforward. They came long distance to Poland, for few days, had time, and wanted to see the countryside, or go to the shop, or to the hairdresser, buy a newspaper, or buy a cake they would remember from their childhood, or anything similar. Like today: seasighting, making a souvenir picture.

Your Mom looks happy, sunny day, definitely souvenir of the nice travel. You can see 2 grey heads in the back row of the car, and 1 in the front, they were probably 5 inside - the driver took picture of your Mom with the pretty church in the background.

Zalas is a small willage, less than 500 persons
Myszyniec is bigger, a little more than 3000 persons, it is also "chief village" for smaller ones nearby - gmina

Kurpie are nice area.
Here Łyse
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81yse_%28wojew%C3%B3dztwo_mazowieckie%29
Here Myszyniec (the capital of Kurpie)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myszyniec

I will look other names and places later.
Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:58 am

Author: traveler

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:58 am

Hi Ezbieta and Bea,
I very much appreciate all your information. Most of my relatives did come from the North East and I have a picture of my Mom in Myszyniec when my parents went back to Poland to visit relatives. We just don't know why they visited Myszyniec. So I believe the information you found related to Myszyniec might be correct! I have a cousin who is researching this with me and will probably be able to provide more information. I am sending her the above information and will get back to you with what she has to contribute.
I thought since my Father took the picture of my Mother in the village, that Myszyniec MIGHT be related to HER parents. I don't want to confuse this "topic" but I am going to provide her family information below just in case you might have some insights into this mystery of "the picture" taken in 1973.
My mother's parents were: Father -Stanislaw Bestry b.12.25.1885 in Lomza, Podlaskie
his father was Walenty Bystre 1869; his mother was Anna Kaczmarczyk born 1886 Dudowizna, Mazowieckie
Mother: Maryanna A. Polewarczyk born 1888 Piontkowmjzra Russia/Poland
her father was Martin Polewarczyk; her mother was Anna Popielarczyk ( don't know birth dates or towns)
Again, maybe this should be in a separate thread, but might connect to Krysiak/Plona
Thank you again,
Pat

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:28 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:28 am

traveler wrote:

Hello,
I am trying to find Stephanie Plonia who I believe is the daughter of Ignacy Krysiak who returned to Poland around 1929 and died about 1943. Ignatius' father Jan Krysiak was from Zalas. The attached picture might be a picture of Stephanie and her family, but we are not positive. If you have any information about the Plonia family or the family in this picture, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. Ignacy was my grandfather.
Thank you

Hi Traveler,

It will not be easy, because Zalas is ambigous, many Krysiak, and the year 1943 may not be in publicly available records (the rule of 100 years and its interprestation by various administration).

GEOGRAPHY:
In the old geography book from circa 1900, entries for Zalas are on this page:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XIV/327

Left bottom:
1) not interesting
2) Zalas osada, powiat Ostrowski, gmina i parafia Długosiodło -- on today google map
Zalas, Gmina Długosiodło, Poland
The above Zalas is nearby Długosiodło
3) Zalas, wies kuripowska i obreb lesny, gmina Łyse -- Kurpie is a region and ethinicity, villages Kadzidło, Łyse i Myszyniec http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurpie
Zalas, near Myszyniec, Poland- this Zalas is circa 20 km East bird distance from Myszyniec

The above two Zalas' are distant circa 85 km, both in the North-East of today Poland

Right top:
Zalas, powiat chrzanowski, nearby Krzeszowice
That Zalas is in between Krakow and Katowice, South-West of today Poland (distant circa 600 km from 2) or 3))

NAMES:
Krysiak is very popular name, more than 9 thousand people today
http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/krysiak.html

No name Plonia in Poland
But almost 800 Plona, mostly in North-East, but also a grouping in Chorzow and Gliwice area, South-West.
http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/plona.html

AMBIGUITY:
At this stage we have two groups (Zalas, Krysiak, Plona) in North-East, and in South-West.
More information is needed to find.

NOTES:
1.
When digging the above triplet, as well as Stefania Plona Krysiak, I found a local newspaper, April 2013, in Ukta, North of Myszyniec, with church celebrations in memory of Krysiak and Plona
http://www.parafiaukta.pl/files/g%C5%82os_z_krzy%C5%BCa_28_kwietnia_2013.pdf
Krysiak and Plona in the same parish today, celebrating memories of ancestors.

2.
http://myszyniec.nowoczesnagmina.pl/?a=3615
In this financial information from 2012 by the burgmester of Myszyniec there is a long list of sponsored farmers, amongst them one Krysiak and one Plona

3.
The page http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=49&sub=926
quotes two "Krysiak Jan" for "Łyse woj. mazowieckie ZG" - death records for Łyse, Mazowieckie, Poland - North-East, nearby Myszyniec
I have no idea if it is related in anyway to your search.

Do you have someting else, other hints?
Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

Bea — Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:33 pm

Author: Bea

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:33 pm

Hi,
There is not a single person surname of Plonia or Płonia in Poland.
http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moikrewni.pl%2Fmapa%2Fkompletny%2Fp%2525C5%252582onia.html&act=url

You need to find out the correct surname.

There are many villages in named Zalas in Poland.
In my opinion, correct Zalas village is that in the administrative district of Gmina Łyse,
I checked in the phone book 2004, the surname Krysiak still found in the village.

Searching for Stephanie Plonia (Ignacy Krysiak, father)

traveler — Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:38 pm

Author: traveler

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:38 pm

Hello,
I am trying to find Stephanie Plonia who I believe is the daughter of Ignacy Krysiak who returned to Poland around 1929 and died about 1943. Ignatius' father Jan Krysiak was from Zalas. The attached picture might be a picture of Stephanie and her family, but we are not positive. If you have any information about the Plonia family or the family in this picture, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. Ignacy was my grandfather.
Thank you