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Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Anonymous — Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:36 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:36 pm

nercell wrote:

THANK YOU sooo much Gilberto !
I am forever in your debt . After almost 10 years (on and off)~
I just now found my grandfather's record of Baptism in these files.
Boselaw TYLICKI son of Hippolot , March 1893 in the village of Peplowo in Wieczfnia Parish. It also helped that the priest had a wonderful
hand and the names were written in Polish NOT Russian ! For the rest I will need assistance in translating. I am looking foward to going through each and every scan looking for his siblings etc. YAY !!!!

Kind Regards,
Nancy Celleri

Glad I could be of some help.

birth on March 6, I think (recorded on 8th)
Hyppolit, thirty....seven?
Witnesses: Jan Jankowski and Jan Frankowski
Mother was Maryanna Podsiadlowski, thirty....five?
Godparents; Jozef Krosnicki and a female name I've never seen before, she was a Krosnicki, too.

Gilberto

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

nercell — Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:51 pm

Author: nercell

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:51 pm

THANK YOU sooo much Gilberto !
I am forever in your debt . After almost 10 years (on and off)~
I just now found my grandfather's record of Baptism in these files.
Boselaw TYLICKI son of Hippolot , March 1893 in the village of Peplowo in Wieczfnia Parish. It also helped that the priest had a wonderful
hand and the names were written in Polish NOT Russian ! For the rest I will need assistance in translating. I am looking foward to going through each and every scan looking for his siblings etc. YAY !!!!

Kind Regards,
Nancy Celleri

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

nercell — Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:18 pm

Author: nercell

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:18 pm

Wow Gilberto...Wiecfnia resource is wonderful...looks like I have my work cut out for me ! Thank you

Re: Difficulty with Locating which State Archive to contact

Anonymous — Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:14 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:14 pm

nercell wrote:

I have repeatedly attempted searching without any success at http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en to no avail.

I am trying to locate the appropriate archive and the records available for the parish (Wieczfnia...) associated with the village- Pepłowo in the Gmina- Wieczfnia Koscielna, Powiat-Mław, old Woj -Ciechanow

The same for Bialuty in the Gmina-Iłowo-Osada, Powiat-Działdowo, old Woj-Ciechanow (today-Mazowieckie)

ANY guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Nancy-researching TYLICKI, PANUCIAK, FERENCS and many associated names in Szczebrzesyn.

Nancy,

Wieczfnia online here:
http://poczekalnia.genealodzy.pl/pliki/AP-Mlawa/Wieczfnia/

Peplowo (partial) here:
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/search?q=%C5%9Awi%C4%99cieniec%20XTYPEro%3Azesp%20XSKANro%3At&order=

Gilberto

Difficulty with Locating which State Archive to contact ?

nercell — Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:32 pm

Author: nercell

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:32 pm

I have repeatedly attempted searching without any success at http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en to no avail.

I am trying to locate the appropriate archive and the records available for the parish (Wieczfnia...) associated with the village- Pepłowo in the Gmina- Wieczfnia Koscielna, Powiat-Mław, old Woj -Ciechanow

The same for Bialuty in the Gmina-Iłowo-Osada, Powiat-Działdowo, old Woj-Ciechanow (today-Mazowieckie)

ANY guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Nancy-researching TYLICKI, PANUCIAK, FERENCS and many associated names in Szczebrzesyn.

10 millions of documents scanned by Polish State Archives

Agnieszka Pawlus — Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:33 am

Author: Agnieszka Pawlus

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:33 am

Polish Archives have already scanned 10 millions of documents!

Brief summary of the digitalization process:
- All scans are available to the public for free
- Currently they have scanned the records from 28 branches (for example: Warsaw, Poznań, Częstochowa, Kalisz, Kraków, Lublin, Łódź and recently added: Siedlce and Płock)
- What kind of documents are being scanned?
First of all: civil status records, population records, acts of the towns and districts, court and notary documents, cartographic and geodetic documentation
- The online ressources are still growing! In 2013 the 13 millions of pages were scanned.
- In 2013 project "Szukaj w Archiwach" had 20 millions of users.

Visit their website and search the Polish Archives: http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

jeswain60 — Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:54 am

Author: jeswain60

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:54 am

Thanks, I thought I had tried that, but I think I tried to reload the Page instead of using the search bar again. I appreciate your help.

Re: Online archive;search question

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:06 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:06 am

jeswain60 wrote:

I am usually good at deciphering web pages, but I am using an online archive search tool(in Polish) and can only get the first 20 records.
I cannot find a way to show the next set. I will post the link and perhaps someone that has also used that site can shed some light.

http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&rid=B&search_lastname=swierczewska&exac=&from_date=1895&to_date=1910&w=07mz

Hi,

It's easy.

In the bottom it says "... Wszystkich pozycji 332", so you know how many.

In the right corner you have "pozycji na stronie" with 20, you may replace it by 50, then on the next line click on "Wyszukaj".

You will see the result is in 7 sets (332 divided by 50 rounded up), and numbers
[1] 2 3 4 5 6 7

Click on consecutive numbers to see all the 7 sets.

Best,
Elzbieta

Online archive;search question

jeswain60 — Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:30 pm

Author: jeswain60

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:30 pm

I am usually good at deciphering web pages, but I am using an online archive search tool(in Polish) and can only get the first 20 records.
I cannot find a way to show the next set. I will post the link and perhaps someone that has also used that site can shed some light.

http://www.geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&rid=B&search_lastname=swierczewska&exac=&from_date=1895&to_date=1910&w=07mz

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:36 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:36 am

Thank you Gary for sharing your experience with Poznan. I do hope it will help Diane.

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

gdeborski — Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:56 pm

Author: gdeborski

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:56 pm

Diane and Elzbieta,

If you go to the main page for the Poznan Project - http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/project.php

In the upper left hand corner is a link which will take you to information about a group that can help you with your records search. Both Łukasz and Kasia have done work for me and I am very pleased with the results. As they are based in Poznan, they should be very familiar with the records you are seeking.

Best regards,
Gary D.

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:16 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:16 am

Diane,

I had a quick look on Poznan website http://aap.poznan.pl/ - they have plenty of old books, not only vital records, a lot for historians. Apparently one may go there and lookup archives as well, you must reserve your place in advance. They also have an index of what seems to be parish's books by village and years (not easy to understand it on the fly, here http://bazy.aap.poznan.pl/ksiegi.php)

My understanding is that the cost for service is the same for everyone, in PLN. Anything else is bank's hurdles.

I do hope someone from Poznan area may help here.

Best,
Elzbieta

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Anonymous — Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:03 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:03 am

Hi Elzbieta
Thank you for the explaination. Would there be anyone in Poland that could get a birth certificate from the Archives for me or do they have to go through the same thing? Over here in Canada and in England you can go to Archives and look it up yourself then give them the information and pay them. I would pay them in advance for a genealogical certificate, plus some for their time.
That is disussing that the banks ripp people off like that.

Is there anyone who would help me?
Thank you very much.

Diane Potter
Niagara Falls, ON
CANADA

Re: Prices for research & certificiates in Poland

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:40 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:40 am

DianePotter69 wrote:

Hi everyone
I just received this email from Poland.

I thought someone said that the prices had come down for certificates?
Also could someone explain what all the other stuff is, I understand what they are talking about in #2 but what is the rest of it. I guess we are loosing something in translation.

Diane

Hi Diane,

I understand what they wrote, but feel ashamed to explain it.

It starts with their address phones etc.

They consider you must know the precise vital record (item 1), and that you need it mostly for some official documents (item 2), because either you want money (court trial, inheritance), or you want to demonstrate your religion (church-office). Genealogy seems irrelevant - they do not scan or copy anything (Polish word for printed copy is xero).
They ask circa $US 15 (50 PLN) for the first hour of search, then $US 12 per hour (40 PLN). If success, they will type it on a piece of paper (middleage method), no doubt with seals, stamps, signatures, and all that jazz, and it will cost you additional $US 3 (10 PLN) per such decorated page inserted into enveloppe.
They need 4-5 month to execute your order paid in advance.

The additional information is related to bank's methods, which are very similar to pirats operating in Indian Ocean today.
Here is my unique but exceptional experience with international money transfer.
Once upon a time I was member of an non profit international organization set up to lobby some internet related issues. We had a bank account, apparently in two currencies, dollars US and euros. We received 60 donations coming from not less than 40 countries, all wired money. With the notable exception of Norway we did not see any other case when the amount sent by someone abroad was equal to the amont of money received, anything else was less, or much less. On wired tracability documents in 2 cases we could not identify the coutry of origin of the transfer.
In all international bank's transfer you have fees of sending bank, fees of receiving bank, fees of currency exchange (even if it's the same currency), fees of letter, and it lasts between 2 days and 4 weeks. In general.

Applying my bank experience to the letter from Poznan:
1. In addition to bank's piracy in money transfer, Archiwum in Poznan will add 10 PLN (item 3 extra cost: bank commission on transfers from abroad – 10 PLN)
2. They warn you that bank must use the correct rate (item 4) - you cannot anything about, it's bank's piracy, no matter how concilient you would like to be with Poznan requirements
3. They give you all information related to their bank: postal address, SWIFT code (that is abount bank office) and IBAN (that is international bank AND account number, it starts with ISO3166 alpha-2 code of a country - here PL, then you have bank identifiers - redundancy with SWIFT, then personal bank account number - so it is exactly their bank account; 26 to 30 digits/letters long).

Then there is a bottom line: e-mail, minimal fees 60 PLN wired to the bank, fax that you send money (that is about bank's piracy - you NEVER know when banks start international transfer, and when it's done, and receiver is seldom if ever informed who wired-transfer money to his account). In addition the Archiwum imagines you have fax - nobody uses it anymore, but who cares. They will start the work within 4-5 months.
Let me add more subtitles:
a. Bank's piracy fees on 60 PLN will be much bigger for you than 60 PLN circa $US18
b. IMHO they will need 1 hour to browse index and see your record is in their archives or not. If non, it's done (on expenses side). If they have something more interesting, they will ask you additional hours, next 60 or 80 or 100 PLN, which will still be lesser than bank's piracy fees. They do not post Xero-copy, so you will never see original vital record, only papers with interpreted records.

I am sorry. As I said, I feel ashamed to explain.

Elzbieta

Prices for research & certificiates in Poland

Anonymous — Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:21 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:21 pm

Hi everyone
I just received this email from Poland.

I thought someone said that the prices had come down for certificates?
Also could someone explain what all the other stuff is, I understand what they are talking about in #2 but what is the rest of it. I guess we are loosing something in translation.

Diane

Archiwum Archidiecezjalne w Poznaniu

61-108 Poznań , ul. Ks. Ignacego Posadzego 2

tel.: (+4 061 810 15 19, fax.: (+4 061 892 78 48

e-mail: sekretariat@aap.poznan.pl, http://www.aap.poznan.pl

L.dz. 888/13 Poznań, dnia 28 października 2013r.

P.T.

Diane Potter

We would like to inform you, that we have received your letter relating to genealogical researching.

1. In every cases, some information are required: name, place of birth/marriage or death, and the date.

2. The costs for searching are:

For first hour 50 PLN, paid in advance independently from result of research
For each next hour of research: 40 PLN
The costs for drawing up the official birth/marriage/death certificates (for court, office or inheritance) are 100 PLN
The costs for drawing up the genealogical birth/marriage/death certificates: 30 PLN
The costs for drawing up the official birth/marriage/death certificates (for church-office; required the attestation from the priest from your parish about the purpose): 30 PLN

We do not make the Xerox Copy, scan and photocopy.

We start the genealogical research when you pay in advance for first hour: 50 PLN.

3. Extra costs:

a postage for sending certificates – 10 PLN (every post item)
bank commission on transfers from abroad – 10 PLN

4. When paying in foreign currency, which is in force exchange rate according to NBP of the day of payment (from: http://www.nbp.pl/home.aspx?f=/kursy/kursya.html )

Here is number of our account:

Bank Zachodni WBK S.A.

6 O. w Poznaniu

Plac Wolności 15

60-967 Poznań

ARCHIDIECEZJA POZNANSKA

swift code: WBKPPLPP

Nr konta: PL 47 1090 1362 0000 0001 1306 1178

If you accept our conditions, please inform us about it (by e-mail) and send money (60 PLN) on our account. We dishonor the check. Please send us some receipt for payment (by the fax). Please for keeping the correspondence in English or Polish language. We execute your order during 4-5 months.

Yours sincerely,

Tomasz Irzyk

Re: Grandmother - Sophia Florko - Elementary Teacher

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:01 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:01 am

marpckr wrote:

Hi Elzbieta

Thank you for the reply. Do you know if the university keeps records of previous students?

My grandmother never really recovered when she came to Australia after the war and I would like to understand what her life was like before that.

Maria

Hi Maria,

I do not know if the current university in Lviv Ukraina keeps past records, or have received past records. I know from my Mom, who started mathematics at Lwow in 1938 (following her elder sister), that after the WWII some professors from Lwow, at least mathematicians, moved to Jagiellonian University in Krakow.

Google shows people seeking for list of students: http://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-printview-t-5715-start-0.phtml
At the end of that page it's written:
"Proponuję zapytać w Centralnym Państwowym Archiwum Historycznym Ukrainy we Lwowie najlepiej mailem na Dyrektora (można pisać po polsku):
archives2000@gmail.com
lub na telefon/fax: (38+032)235-45-08"
which basicaly means you may inquire (about a list of students) writing in Polish to the given email of the Central Historical Archives in Lwow or by phone.
As far as I know, there is still a lot of people speaking Polish in Lviv, some are native Polish.

Are you familiar with Polish Universities booklet, so called "Index Uniwersytecki"? It's one of the most precious documents, which gives you precisely everything about the student: all the curriculum, examinations, professors, as well as paiements for the tutition, or sametimes financial help (rebate). If your grandma was student, she would keep it. Education was sacred in Polish families, when I was a child, my Mom used to say "you have to learn, go to school and learn, it's the only thing nobody ever can steal from you".

I attach two pages from my Aunt booklet, from 1931, signed by the Dean, Hugo Steinhaus.

Silesia Library keeps one Lwow document from 1927/28 with all professors and managements, it's here: http://www.sbc.org.pl/dlibra/plain-content?id=11712
Page 31 they list famous Polish mathematicians, including professors Hugo Stenhaus and Stefan Banach, both in charge of preparing teachers for secondary schools (szkol srednich - today high schools or liceum).

Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_University gives some information about Lwow University, such as number of students students: "in the academic year 1934/35 there were 5900 students at the university".

Elzbieta

Grandmother - Sophia Florko - Elementary Teacher

marpckr — Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:02 am

Author: marpckr

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:02 am

Hi Elzbieta

Thank you for the reply. Do you know if the university keeps records of previous students?

My grandmother never really recovered when she came to Australia after the war and I would like to understand what her life was like before that.

Maria

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Henryk — Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:30 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:30 pm

Try this site. It gives information on graduates of Przemysl schools.
http://nk.pl/country#show=18
The home page to access other places is:
http://nk.pl/country
I think "country" is used for "wojewodztwo".

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:53 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:53 pm

marpckr wrote:

Hi

If my grandmother was born in Przmysl in 1912 which archives is the best one to write to and what information would I need to provide them. Also on her immigration paper it said she was an elementary teacher would she have gone to university or teachers college back then.

Greetings,

My both parents were from Przemysl, and both grand-parents lived there until their death. Since 2005 I travel each year to Warsaw for All Saints Day, and take two-days to go to Przemysl, where I still have cousins. My cousin from Przemysl is retired director of one of Liceum in Przemysl.

One of my Aunts, born in 1913, graduated in 1938 from Jan Kazimierz University in Lwow, in mathematics, and she was professor at Gimnazjum in Przemysl, and worked in Tajne Nauczanie. Even today, 30 years after she passed away, without any single family in Przemysl, her grave is always covered with flowers and candles lighted on November 1st: the teachers from Przemysl schools keep memory, and explain to yound kids how it was difficult to learn, when education was forbidden by occupant.

Gimnazjum probably translate to High School, however Liceum or Gimnazium was orders of magnitude more important in Poland those days as compared to the US today. An aside comment: in Western countries we have today more Ph.D. that we had people with Matura before WWII.

Elementary school teacher was an important position in 1930's.

In 1930's the young people from Przemysl used to go to Lwow University.

Kind regards,
Elzbieta

Re: Polish States Archives - your questions and experience

Anonymous — Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:54 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:54 am

marpckr wrote:

According to http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=pl&miejscowosc=przemysl&gmina=&wojewodztwo_id=0&wyznanie_id=0&rodzajaktu_id=0&search=szukaj births in 1912 are only available for those we were ewangelicko-augsburskie and greckokatolickie. Click on the wort Wiecej, on the right, to see the address of the State Archive that holds those records.

If she was a roman-catholic, either you wait until 1912 is available at the Archives or you write to Civil Register Office in Przemysl:
37-700 Przemyśl,
Rynek 1 (nr pok. 21),
Tel.: 16 675 20 85 (wew. 373)
Fax: 16 678 64 49
e-mail: mail@um.przemysl.pl

Gilberto