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Re: What city is Warklau? Varakļāni?

mchait — Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:43 pm

Author: mchait

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:43 pm

Thanks Henryk and Elzbieta!
BTW, he spoke Russian, Hebrew, and Yiddish.

What city is Warklau?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:12 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:12 pm

Re: "then 1942- Lithuania"

I am trying to figure out what could explain that Lithuania.

I might have an explanation if your g-gfather spoke Polish.
In Polish:
Litwa - Lithuania
Łotwa - Latvia
FWIW.

Best,
Elzbieta

What city is Warklau?

Henryk — Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:23 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:23 pm

Searching Latvian records online:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Latvia_Genealogy

Quote:

If your ancestor was born in Latvia prior to 1905, and you know where they were born, you can start immediately with religious records. These religious records are available online through the Latvian State Historical Archives online digital archive called Raduraksti. As the Family History Library has very few records from Latvia, this new website with about five million images of genealogical records is a source of both information and joy. The images include church records of Lutheran, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist, Greek Catholic, Reformed Protestant and Jewish faiths, and also revision lists and 1897 census records of the Russian Empire. The word raduraksti means genealogy. You must register to see the images, but registration is free. The site has useful instructions in English, including lists of abbreviations and some vocabulary.

http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu.html
Archives registration form, required for access. Free

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:29 am

Author: mchait

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:29 am

Thanks for the research! From here, do you think my best option to learn more is to go to Latvia? And, visit Varakļāni?

What city is Warklau?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:10 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:10 am

mchait wrote:

Gilberto, Elizabeth, Henryk,
Thanks for the info! Do you know, was this city ever Polish? My great-grandfather said in 1910-1930-he was from Russia. Then, in 1930, Poland, then 1942- Lithuania. Do you know if this matches with this city?
Thanks again,
Meredith

Meredith,

The city Warkland / Warklany is in the center of today Latvia, circa 90 km North of the city of Daugavpils(Latvian name)/Dyneburg(Polish name).

Going backward with time.

After WWI, since 1918, your g-gfather was from Latvia.
The UK has a compiled summary of the world between 1900 and 2000, Europe is rather 1914 to 2000, see page 7 and 11, and related comments with political changes
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/documents/maps-in-time.pdf

From 1910 up to the end of WWI, your g-gfather was from Russia
1910 map here:
http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/europe_1910.htm

I found a very well compiled Latvian history with maps
http://latvianhistory.com/selected-maps/
Note Polish Livonia with Dünaburg on the map from 1740, as part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
The German name of the river Daugava, going to Riga (Baltic Sea) is Düna
Riga was Hansa City, here is Polish map:
https://latvianhistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/hanza-map.jpg
More about Hansa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

Note that in 1772 the part of Latvia with Warkland / Warklany became Russian (first partition).
https://latvianhistory.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/765px-rzeczpospolita_rozbiory_31.png

Latvia was part to Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów - Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzeczpospolita_Obojga_Narod%C3%B3w
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth (1569–1795)

And at the end a very interesting map with Polish territories back in 1400s
http://history-belarus.by/images/img-places/samogitia/baltic_1380.jpg

The answer to "was this city ever Polish?" is yes, before first partition of Poland.

Re: "then 1942- Lithuania".
1942 it is in the middle of WWII war, and any search of "Europe 1942" leads to maps like that one
https://www2.bc.edu/~heineman/maps/1942label.html

Best,
Elzbieta

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:22 am

Author: mchait

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:22 am

Gilberto, Elizabeth, Henryk,
Thanks for the info! Do you know, was this city ever Polish? My great-grandfather said in 1910-1930-he was from Russia. Then, in 1930, Poland, then 1942- Lithuania. Do you know if this matches with this city?
Thanks again,
Meredith

What city is Warklau?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:44 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:44 pm

mchait wrote:

I appreciate the research everyone! Could it be Warkau?

I discarded that one, because it is far away from Latvia.

Warkau:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XII/956
It says powiat wystrucki, which leads to Rejencja gąbińska:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejencja_g%C4%85bi%C5%84ska
in East Prussia:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejencja_g%C4%85bi%C5%84ska#/media/File:Prusy_Wschodnie.svg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnic_map_East_Prussia_1907.jpeg

Best,
Elzbieta

What city is Warklau?

Henryk — Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:35 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:35 pm

I can't find a map with Warklau on it. There is a German map (1943) with Warkland.
https://mapstor.com/data/map-previewf/de--me--300k/gif/de--me--300k--1U57--(1943)--N057-00_E026-20--N056-00_E028-20.jpg
Here is part of it:

What city is Warklau?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:24 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:24 pm

Magroski49 wrote:

mchait wrote:

Gilberto, I see the ship, but I do not see anything that says from Latvia. Can you please post the link?

Elizabeth, I am thinking it is from Northern Poland, Southern Lithuania. What do you think?

Here it goes:
http://polishorigins.com/forum/files/warklau_626.jpg

Gilberto,

Fantastic table, because it shows all variant of the same name in Latvia, with difficult ending for many ears.

Ending:
Warklau 1,2,3,4,5,12,14,15,16,17,20
Warklaw 10,11,21,22
Warklang 6,7,23
Warklai 25,27,28
Warklani 24
Warklan 26

Two correct:
Warklany 8,9,19,23 (Polish)
Warkland 18 (German)

Wark-land in German, Wark-lany in Polish, with łany=cultivated land

Searching for etymology of "Wark"
http://www.stankiewicze.com/index.php?kat=44&sub=555
Wark - od warczeć, warknąć, może też od imienia złożonego Warcisław.
// Wark - from growl, snarl, may be also from the composed name Warcisław

==

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:07 pm

Author: mchait

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:07 pm

I appreciate the research everyone! Could it be Warkau?

What city is Warklau?

Anonymous — Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:32 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:32 pm

mchait wrote:

Gilberto, I see the ship, but I do not see anything that says from Latvia. Can you please post the link?

Elizabeth, I am thinking it is from Northern Poland, Southern Lithuania. What do you think?

Here it goes:

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:51 pm

Author: mchait

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:51 pm

Wow. Awesome. Thanks!! Is there a map with the German name, Warklau on it?

What city is Warklau?

Henryk — Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:24 pm

Author: Henryk

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:24 pm

Warklau (German?) = Varakļāni (Latvian) = Warkljane (Polish)
Greenwich coordinates:56 degrees 36 minutes N 26 degrees 45 minutes E
Ferro coordinates: N same, E 44 degrees 25 minutes
80 km NNE of Daugavpils, 30 km west of Rezekne.
See map:

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:02 pm

Author: mchait

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:02 pm

Gilberto, I see the ship, but I do not see anything that says from Latvia. Can you please post the link?

Elizabeth, I am thinking it is from Northern Poland, Southern Lithuania. What do you think?

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:46 pm

Author: mchait

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:46 pm

Thanks! What city is it named today?

What city is Warklau?

Anonymous — Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:14 pm

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:14 pm

Elzbieta,

There is about a dozen of entries in www.stevemorse.org spelled as Warklau, Litvia, including the passenger mentioned.
I did not check Litvia maps.

Best,
Gilberto

Re: What city is Warklau?

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:27 pm

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:27 pm

mchait wrote:

Hello,
My great-grandfather is from "Warklau." However, I am not sure what town that is today, or what country it is. Any help would be appreciated!

Hi,

I wonder what would be Polish orthography of Warklau.

My only idea is Warchoł / Warchoły or alike.

This page in old geography book:
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XII/947
That name is in various areas, but I do not see Lithuania

One of Warchol* items says see Orchol (that is near Gniezno)
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_VII/574

Gilberto, did you see any geolocalization of Warklau?

Best,
Elzbieta

What city is Warklau?

Anonymous — Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:59 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:59 am

mchait wrote:

My source is Ellis Island and U.S. census records. His name was David Chait. Somewhere between 1880-1910. Thanks!

Arrival on EI on October 27, 1904, ship Patricia, from Hamburg. The link to the ship manifest is broken.
www.stevemorse.org The country is Latvia.

Followed by wife Channe and daughter Chaie in 1905.December 14.

Gilberto

What city is Warklau?

mchait — Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:53 am

Author: mchait

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:53 am

My source is Ellis Island and U.S. census records. His name was David Chait. Somewhere between 1880-1910. Thanks!

Re: What city is Warklau?

Anonymous — Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:52 am

Author: Anonymous

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:52 am

mchait wrote:

Hello,
My great-grandfather is from "Warklau." However, I am not sure what town that is today, or what country it is. Any help would be appreciated!

Hi,
Unless it was misspelled it was in Latvia.

Gilberto