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Re: Kocanda Family

Shellie — Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:20 pm

Author: Shellie

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:20 pm

More discussion about Kocanda family here:
http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=1045&highlight=

Re: Kocanda Family

lkocanda — Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:57 pm

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:57 pm

No I haven't found any info in the papers

Re: Kocanda Family

lkocanda — Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:14 pm

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:14 pm

I found the record in ancestry.com..4
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=bt26&h=27683956&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t11319159_p117688520_kpidz0q3d117688520z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

Re: Kocanda Family

jerry_connor — Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:11 am

Author: jerry_connor

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:11 am

How did you learn your ancestry left the country? I may have the same thing that happened in around 1912. Could not figure it out.

Re: Kocanda Family

Zenon — Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:51 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:51 am

Thank you Shellie for pointing this out, I merged the two topics.

As for Kocanda I think there is also possibility that your grandfather's surname might be pronounced with Polish "ń" in the middle - Kocańda. You can use google translate tool to listen to difference in Polish pronunciation, click here: http://goo.gl/DQNy7 and click the "speaker" button in the right down corner of the text field.

Re: Kocanda Family

Shellie — Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:22 pm

Author: Shellie

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:22 pm

Hello,
We were discussing Fabian Kocanda last year. I suggest that we combine the threads.

Re: Kocanda Family

Bill Rushin — Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:21 am

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:21 am

Ref map of Pieniążkowice.

Re: Possible birth place nowy targ galicia austria

Ute — Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:21 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:21 am

lkocanda wrote:

While looking at my grandfather's WW1draft card it list this as a birth place... He was born on August 15,1894. Name we know him as Fabian Kocanda.. Any help would be great.. Thanks

According to www.FamilySearch.org, his last residence was 'Pieniasz Konice, Galicia' = Pieniążkowice in the county of Nowy Targ.
See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M3PH-Y5P/p1 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieni%C4%85%C5%BCkowice

Re: Kocanda Family

Bill Rushin — Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:21 am

Author: Bill Rushin

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:21 am

Nowy Targ is in Podhale, so this would make him a Góral. He may be from a small village near Nowy Targ and just listed this town as it was the largest town near him. Feel free to check out my forum about the Goral-Highlanders for more information. Please check "yes" on the poll. Welcome! Bill

Possible birth place nowy targ galicia austria

lkocanda — Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:59 pm

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:59 pm

While looking at my grandfather's WW1draft card it lists Nowy Targ Galicia Austria as a birth place...
He was born on August 15,1894. Name we know him as Fabian Kocanda..
Any help would be great..
Thanks

Re: Kocanda Family

lkocanda — Wed May 04, 2011 12:55 pm

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:55 pm

I haven't found any info on kanty in the
Newspapers at all.

Re: Kocanda Family

Shellie — Wed May 04, 2011 11:16 am

Author: Shellie

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:16 am

lkocanda wrote:

Shelly;
Is it possible that Kanty Jan Kocanda went back to poland but his death was recorded in Chicago newspaper?
I haven't been able to find his obit in the newspaper or anywhere else.

Hi Lisa,
If this is Fabian's father, I suspect that Kanty was going overseas for a visit, and not planning to stay. I could be wrong, but he was traveling in May 1920. In June 1920, his son Fabian returned on the ship Mercury after serving with Haller's Army. He gives his father's name and his Chicago address as the person he is headed to see. This suggests that Kanty still had a household in Chicago in June 1920, and did not move back to Poland. However, he could have died in Poland during a visit - again it's so hard to say.

Can you please tell me what death information was recorded for Jan Kanty Kocanda in the Chicago paper?

Re: Kocanda Family

Ute — Wed May 04, 2011 11:06 am

Author: Ute

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:06 am

lkocanda wrote:

ISO any information about Fabian Kocanda ( middle name may have been Robert)
Birth 15 Aug 1894 in Poland
Death May 1960 in Burbank, Cook, Illinois, United States. Come to US 1st time May 15,1912 but got detained(

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7488&iid=NYT715_1862-0878&fn=Fabrian&ln=Kocanda&st=r&ssrc=&pid=4037345421)
Came to US 2nd time June 29 1920 from Dunzig and remained..
May have served in WW1 and WW2.found draft cards..

Is this your Fabian Kocanda (Source: Chicago Tribune, 1960, Record Number: 19600501ob004)?
Pedestrian Dies. Fabian Kocanda, 63, of 5154 S. Lavergne av., a furniture finisher, died Saturday in Little Company of Mary hospital after being struck by an auto driven by Gerald W. Baker, 24, of 6045 S. Moody av. Baker, a laborer, told sheriff's police he was driving west in 79th street near Meade avenue when Kocanda ran into the street in the path of the car. Baker was charged with failing to yield the right of way to a pedestrian and is to appear May 5 in Bedford Park police court.*

Obituary 1960-05-02 (Source: Chicago Tribune, Record Number: 19600502dn022):
Fabian Kocanda, late of 5145 Lavergne, loving husband of Anna, nee Sieczka; devoted father of Lottie [Walter] Franckowiak, Angeline [Albert] James, and Robert; dear brother of Albert [Angeline] Kocanda and Angeline Albert; grandfather of eight. Funeral Tuesday, May 3, at 9:30 a.m., from chapel, 5749 Archer avenue, to St. Camillius's church. Interment Rescurrection cemetery. PO 7-1840, or CA 6-0471.
Obituary 1984-05-03 (Source: Chicago Tribune, Record Number: 19840503dn03)
Anna M. Kocanda, nee Sieczka, beloved wife of the late Fabian; dearest mother of Lottie (Walter) Franckowiak, Angeline (the late Albert) James and Robert (Christine); dearest grandmother of 14; great-grandmother of 16; fond sister of Stephania Mientus, Bernice (Stanley) Brenkus, Lucy Krupa and John (Victoria); aunt of many nieces and nephews. Funeral Saturday 9:30 a.m., from the Fortuna Funeral Home, 4401 S. Kedzie, to Five Holy Martyrs Church for Mass Of Christian Burial at 10 a.m. Interment Resurrection. Please omit flowers. Visitation Thursday 3 to 10 p.m. and Saturday 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. 523-7781.

Re: Kocanda Family

lkocanda — Wed May 04, 2011 8:00 am

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:00 am

Shelly;
Is it possible that Kanty Jan Kocanda went back to poland but his death was recorded in Chicago newspaper?
I haven't been able to find his obit in the newspaper or anywhere else.

Kocanda Family

lkocanda — Tue May 03, 2011 8:17 pm

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:17 pm

Need help with Kanty Jan Kocanda
This is the information I have on his UK Incoming passenger list..
Name: Kanty Jan Kocanda
Birth Date: abt 1859
Age: 61
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 30 May 1920
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Plymouth
Ship Name: Royal George
Search Ship Database: View the 'Royal George' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 120643
Can you tell me what does this mean??
Did he go back to Poland from the US?? Where can I find more information if that is true?

Re: Kocanda Family

Shellie — Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:19 pm

Author: Shellie

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:19 pm

The information that you want is probably in the Polish national archives. There was a census around 1880 for Odrowaz and this info is in the archive. I only know this because another PolishOrigins member had census info about his family that a cousin received from the Archives in Krakow about 20 years ago. You have some compelling information to indicate that Fabian came from the Podhale area, but there is still some question about his actual birth location - Pieniazkowice or Zaluczne. I do not know if either of these villages also had census - but 1880 is too early for Fabian. Perhaps his father would be included.

I am curious what you have found so far - have you had any luck finding death certificates or death announcements for Fabian or his father John (Jan Kanty) in the Dziennik Chicagoski Death Notice Index 1930 1971? Did you receive any info about Fabian and his Haller's Army enlistment with Dr. Valasek? Since Fabian came to the US not long before he enlisted, the information that he provided at that time might be more reliable than what is on his death certificate (where the info was provided by someone else, like his child who may not have known the name of Fabian's birthplace).

I believe there was a Kocanda who served as parish priest in Odrowaz. I'll check on that and see what I can find for you. Quite possibly a relation to Fabian........?

Re: Kocanda Family

lkocanda — Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:07 am

Author: lkocanda

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:07 am

Good Morning Shellie;
I was wondering is there any census that might show Fabian or his family when he lived in Poland and before he came to the US??
Thanks

Re: Kocanda Family

Shellie — Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:36 pm

Author: Shellie

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:36 pm

Hi Lisa, I think we found Fabian in Haller's Army!

I recently had a conversation with Dr. Paul Valasek, an expert on the subject of Haller's Army and author of the book Haller's Polish Army in France

Dr. Valasek has been researching Haller's Army for several years and I asked him whether Fabian Kocanda showed up in his records. He confirmed a Fabjan Kocanda in his records and I believe that this is the same man in the 1920 ship manifest from the Mercury.

Dr Valasek told me that he would be delighted to hear from you and discuss how Fabian's records can be obtained.

Here is a link to his book http://www.polishroots.com/Resources/PolishRootsRecommends/tabid/279/Default.aspx
and an email address: hallersarmy@aol.com

I look forward to hearing about what you find!

Re: Kocanda Family

Shellie — Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:45 pm

Author: Shellie

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:45 pm

Fabian Kocanda probably served in Haller's Army.

The 1920 manifest for Fabian was for the ship called Mercury. The Mercury transported soldiers from Haller's Army back to the US on 28 JUNE 1920 - the exact date of Fabian's record.

The The Polish Genealogical Society of America holds some recruitment records for Haller's Army, but I don't think their records are complete. Fabian does not not show up in thier records.

Article about Haller's Army: http://pastprologue.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/hallers-army/
Another article: http://creativegene.blogspot.com/2007/06/hallers-army-troops-returning-to-us.html
Yet another: http://www.poloniatoday.com/haller1.htm
Here's a great book about Haller's Army: http://www.polishroots.com/Resources/PolishRootsRecommends/tabid/279/Default.aspx

Link to the Ellis Island ship manifest (Fabian's page, see passenger #11):
http://tinyurl.com/Fabian-Kocanda-1920-arrival

Re: Kocanda Family

Zenon — Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:40 am

Author: Zenon

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:40 am

All other family members names and ages are the same so I think that with great probability this is the same person.