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Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

Carolinax1 — Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:19 pm

Author: Carolinax1

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:19 pm

frostyrose33 wrote:

In reading my original post, I see that a correction needs to be made. Jozef Kud and Stanislaw Kud's grandparents were Jan and Aniela Cyran. I'm puzzled as to their cousin relationship with my father, Edward Inglat (b. 1928), whose father was Wojciech Inglot (b. 1896; He changed the family name to Inglat in the U.S.) married to Zofia Flejszar, and the grandfather was Sobestyan Inglot (b. 1870) and grandmother, Mary Bytnar. I was hoping to make a connection between the Cyran, Flejszar, Inglot, and Kud families, especially. There is a family cemetery not far from St. Dorota church where Zofia's parents, Andrzej Flejszar and Mary Szajer, and Jozef's grandparents were buried.

I have been trying to learn the history of the area. My father acknowledged the Walddeutsche German colony settlements, but was told by his father that the Inglot name is of Swedish origin, from the invasion and battles there around 1650. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history). I am not so sure that my father was correct. While we may have some Swedish, the predominance of Gluchoniemy in the descendants of Markowa seems very clear. Thank you Zenon, for your reply. It's all very fascinating.

Additionally, there is a memorial plaque with some of the family names listed. http://www.riesenbach.com/Sep25-00/html/5MarkowaMemorial.htm
in tribute to the Ulma family and 8 other Markowans who perished at the hands of the Nazis, as told by Mr. Reisenbach at this website: http://www.riesenbach.com/riesenbachstory.html

This plaque is on an administrative building in Markowa, on the land where Zofia Flejszar was raised as a child in a thatched roof house. The house was torn down, and the administrative building was built there. There is a similar home, which has been moved to the Museum of Markowa. The last resident in this home was Maria Inglot. I'm not sure of my relationship to her, except in name only.

Other family names to include: More distant relationships, such as cousins, aunts and uncles with the names Tejchma, Balawejder, Bar, and Michnar.

hi frostyrose! do you still post on this forum? jacek tejchma is my uncle

walddeutsche

Lmraymond — Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:34 pm

Author: Lmraymond

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:34 pm

Hello, my Rejman grandfather came from Czarna Lancut and was most likely a descendant of the Walddeutsche. Does anyone have any information on where in they came from in Germany?

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

Pedrovalka — Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:34 am

Author: Pedrovalka

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:34 am

Hi guys, I am from Mosty u Jablunkova and my grandmother is Helena Szotkowska. I am looking for my greatgranduncle Jan/Johann Szotkowski who was born in 1894 in Mosty u Jablunkova and moved to US probably in 20s. I found his late brothers all around the world, in Argentina, Canada and Poland. He is the only missing piece.

If it helps you, write me more details about persons you are looking for and I will check it for you in local archives.

mostly, jablanków

sjordan1113 — Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:41 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:41 pm

Hi sir Dan-

Yes George Shotkowski was from mostly, jablanków according to his immigration record. I also saw people with similar last names immigrating from the place you mentioned in your post of German descent from area. I think I located George’s parents; Jon/Johan Szotkowski and Marie Jeho Bilko. Those two were born in Austriaaccording to some records I’ve seen. I’m going to keep digging and try to find paperwork my mom may still have. Thanks again.

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sirdan — Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:22 pm

Author: sirdan

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:22 pm

sjordan1113 wrote:

I was able like locate my grandpa George shotkowski’ brother’s immigration record. His brother, John Shotkowski, immigrated to US on 9/9/13 and their father’s name was johan Shotkowski from mostly, jablankow. Don’t know if that will help. Thanks

Hello, What You mean by mostly, jablanków? Is that actually Mosty village near Jablunkov?

I am asking because there are many Szotkowskis from Mosty able to find over the internet, including Czech archives here http://digi.archives.cz/da/SearchBean.action?searchType=basic just type o the top: jablunkov or mosty u jablunkova. I almost sure Your relatives are from this place. I will also be interested in genealogy in that area Śląsk Cieszyński because it looks like its connected somehow with germans settlers in Markowa area too

Anyway, there are some people on ellisisland coming from Mosty, including Scholkowski. Also Schottkowski would be german or silesian form of Szotkowski.

Good point from looking from clues. If You find as many info about Granparents, then its possible to retrieve from metrical books their family in Jablonków, like their sister or brothers, their sons or daughters. It will be easier to connect and find blood relatives living today

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sjordan1113 — Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:09 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:09 pm

Yes that was their home in South Bend. The property actually backed up to Notre Dame University. When my grandparents passed the property was left to the Catholic nuns as a home for them. Thanks for the info. I will dig into the parish records.

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

looking for clues — Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:42 pm

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:42 pm

It looks like this is the census record that Sirdan found for your grandfather George Shotkowski https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4BD-9XL It shows he was 38 years old and owned a home on Douglas Road in Clay Township in St. Joseph County, Indiana. That location may be part of the current South Bend, since part of Douglas Road is in the city. If the Douglas Road home remained the family home, the parish may have remained the same.

Note, to view familyserarch.org records you need to sign in, but it is free.

Catholic

sjordan1113 — Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:32 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:32 pm

My grandparents were indeed Catholic. I was told their marriage was arranged by families in Poland. Josephine was sent to the US to marry George Shotkowski. I haven’t located records on Josephine/George’s marriage yet. Josephine was from Markowo according to immigration record and George from Jablunkova. Josephine’s death record only states dads name as Michael Balawejder and mother’s name was left blank on record. I am going to get with my mom to see if she has any paperwork on them she may have. Thanks

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

looking for clues — Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:55 am

Author: looking for clues

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:55 am

Hi Susie,
If your grandparents were Catholic, do you know the parish where your grandparents were married or the parish where they were buried? Catholic marriage records normally have parent's names and place or parish of birth. Death records would also have parent's names too. If you know the city but not the parish, maybe somebody here can suggest a parish.

Diane

Josephine

sjordan1113 — Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:51 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:51 pm

Hi-

I did some additional research and found my grandma was from Makowo (sp?). Her birth date was 2.19.1905 and I have her dad’s name was Michael Balawejder. I can’t locate her mom’s name yet. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks so much for your help. Sorry about your slow connection...that is frustrating ????

Susie Jordan

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sirdan — Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:59 pm

Author: sirdan

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:59 pm

Hello again, of course it helps. We have another confirmation that it is about Jablonków.

Here is mentioned death record book: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9Z5-TZWD?i=2&cc=1804263&cat=2171638 It need heuristic search for Jan/Johan Szatkowski/Szotkowski death and we have here over 200 pages. I am in my flat now with slow internet connection and cannot get through all pages right now.

How about Josephine's parents?

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sjordan1113 — Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:15 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:15 pm

I was able like locate my grandpa George shotkowski’ brother’s immigration record. His brother, John Shotkowski, immigrated to US on 9/9/13 and their father’s name was johan Shotkowski from mostly, jablankow. Don’t know if that will help. Thanks

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sjordan1113 — Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:08 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:08 pm

I will see if I can locate his parents names. Thank you for all your help.

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sirdan — Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:44 pm

Author: sirdan

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:44 pm

OK. Thanks for confirmation!

I looked for online parish records of Jablunkov, there is a death records book up to 1937y, wonder if we could find parents of George somewhere. Do you happen to know his parents names?
Unfortunately, online records end on 1900 for Markowa.

I mention online records because it would be hard fo find living relatives without tracing of records of Your Grandparents first. I will look for some other places though.

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sjordan1113 — Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:10 pm

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:10 pm

Happy New Year. Yes my grandma, Josephine Mary Balawejder, married my grandpa in the US, George Anthony Szotkowski (spelled Shotkowski in New York at Ellis island) when he arrived in the US. George’s birth date is 3/12/1892. I would be interested if/any relatives of grandma or grandpa’s are living in Poland. They both died when I was a child and their son, my father Edward, died when I was 14. His sister Helen died about a year ago so I have no one who has any history/heritage I can derive from living relatives. Josephine’s birth date was 2/19/1905. I truly appreciate any help/info you can supply. Thank you.

Re: Josephine Balawejder

sirdan — Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:59 pm

Author: sirdan

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:59 pm

sjordan1113 wrote:

I am interested in relatives to Josephine balawejder mentioned in post. Josephine was my grandma and immigrated to the US from Poland. Her married name was Shotkowski and she resides in South Bend, Indiana. I have been trying to track my grandma and grandpa’s heritage line in Poland with no success. My grandfather was born in Austria and immigrated also to the US. Thanks for any help. Would love to meet relatives on my grandma and grandpa’s side of the family.

Hello in the New Year!
Im glad i can help You with your relatives! I found family you described having Helen and Edward as children. IF those are yours then:
Josephine Mary Balawejder came to USA, in 1930. Her birth place was written as Makowo. Since we talk about specific surname, popular at Markowa, we can take into consideration that Makowo could be malformed Markowa, especially by some Canadian Officer not familiar with Polish naming. She must have marrried George at somewhere 1931 cause Helen was born in 1932
George was still single on 1930 census. Naturalized in 1941. He came to USA at around 1913. According to military documents, he may come from Jabłonków (Jablunkov). I didnt find his immigration record yet, but there are people named Szotkowski in Jablunkow living today.

I dont know exactly what info You have and if that match what was written above. Please reply what You think and if you need some more.

Josephine Balawejder

sjordan1113 — Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:38 am

Author: sjordan1113

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:38 am

I am interested in relatives to Josephine balawejder mentioned in post. Josephine was my grandma and immigrated to the US from Poland. Her married name was Shotkowski and she resides in South Bend, Indiana. I have been trying to track my grandma and grandpa’s heritage line in Poland with no success. My grandfather was born in Austria and immigrated also to the US. Thanks for any help. Would love to meet relatives on my grandma and grandpa’s side of the family.

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:34 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:34 am

Someone mentioned the place Steinseifersdorf (on "Emigration to Australia" topic).
That is Schlesien, Silesia, Śląsk - Sudeten, Sudety mountains.
Starting from that place I arrived ... to Markowa in 3 steps. Here is the path:

1.
German name: Steinseifersdorf, Polish: Rościszów
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro%C5%9Bcisz%C3%B3w

Rościszów is a district of the city Pieszyce, German name: Peterswaldau
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieszyce
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieszyce

2.
Pieszyce started as Waldhufendorf settlement, in Polish: Łańcuchówka (wieś leśno-łanowa):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldhufendorf
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%81a%C5%84cuch%C3%B3wka

3.
Polish wiki Łańcuchówka (wieś leśno-łanowa), leads immediately to the very old settlements in the southern Małopolska and Ruś Halicka (XII-XV centuries).
Ruś Halicka is another name of Ruś Czerwona or Red Russia or Red Ruthenia:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ru%C5%9B_Czerwona
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ruthenia

Ruś Halicka - Red Ruthenia: this way we arrive to the land of my ancestors in Podkarpackie, including the village Markowa, and its so characteristic design settlement, wieś leśno-łanowa, Waldhufendorf type settlement.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Elzbieta

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

Elzbieta Porteneuve — Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:44 am

Author: Elzbieta Porteneuve

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:44 am

Thank you Sirdan!!!

Re: Markowa--Inglot, Flejszar, Bytnar, Szajer, Kud, Cyran, etc.

sirdan — Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:22 am

Author: sirdan

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:22 am

ninglot wrote:

Hello all!

I was Googling my last name trying to find some leads to ancestors and I stumbled upon this forum!

My name is Nicole Inglot, and my dad's family is from Albigowa, Poland. I told my father about this forum, and I'm hoping he joins in the conversation, as he will have a lot more information on the genealogy. In fact, although I live in Chicago, he currently resides in Albigowa - where it all began!
I look forward to hearing from any of you that might have some more information on this last name - be it ancestors or current relatives.

~Nicole

I had access to scans in Rzeszów Archive but awaited them to be released online. Finally two days ago on szukajwarchiwach.pl scans of Albigowa born records were released Also new scans from Handzlówka (near Albigowa) and other villages where similar surnames appear and possible connections.