PolishLibrarianPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:04 pm
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Thanks Elzbieta & Ute for the suggestions on saving the map image. I don't have MS Office on my new laptop, but use the free LibreOffice which saves in Word format so that MS Word will open the document. I did use PRT SC to take a screen shot and then pasted into my Word document and I was able to crop the image to eliminate the unnecessary parts of the image, BUT when I right click on the image I do not get an option to Save or Save As. So I couldn't save the image and attach to my PO post. Thank you Ute for posting the map.
The village Mistrzowice is about 2.5 mi. north of Rogów on this map, so if that's Filip's village it would make sense that he would be traveling with people from Rogów.
I didn't think Baranów Sandomierski was the right Baranów because at this point you have to cross the Vistula R. to be in the Kingdom of Poland. That's why I chose the other Baranów near Lublin which most definitely is in the Kingdom of Poland based on the 1904 map I was using.
In the 1930 census Phillip Moncznik (49) and Josephine (40) have 3 children – Marie (Mary Francis) 18, Stephin 12 (must be Josephine's from a previous marriage if born in 1918) and Florence 8 (must be the child Ute found the birth record for in 1922). All are listed as children of Phillip (no step-children). Age at first marriage for Phillip was 29 and for Josephine was 28 (which would be 1917 or 1918). In the Marriage column both have an M crossed out and both have a second M written in, so this could mean both have been married twice. ~PL
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dnowickiPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:22 pm
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Heather, Ute, & P.L.,
Ute, I wouldn't discount the death record of Wladyslaw because the mother is not correct. Much of the information in Chicago Death Certificates in 1925 was entered by the undertaker based on what was provided to him by the informant (who was named on the cert.). The information could be 100% accurate or it could by 90% incorrect. On my maternal great grandmother's cert. from 1925 her youngest son was the informant and the only pieces of information he got correct were her given and maiden names and the name of her late husband (his father). Her father's name, his village of birth, her village of birth, her age, her date of birth, etc. were all far from correct. I don't know why he was the informant since he had seven older siblings living in the neighborhood who could have provided the correct information. Fortunately, I did not have to depend on that cert. to move the research along.
P.L., I believe that you are absolutely correct to discount the Baranow in Galicia as the place of her birth and the place you mentioned is a very likely choice. There are two other villages in the Russian Partition closer to Galicia which would be possibilities except that they are not the site of a parish church and another village can be discounted because it was in the Prov. of Posen. But there is another place which could possibly fit the bill since it was the site of a parish and was in the Russian Partition---the village listed in powiat kaski. It appears that the Steven on the 1930 Census is the child of Filip & Jozefa and the problem is that his age was not listed correctly on the census. There is an index of the birth of a Steven Joseph Macznik who was born on 3/13/1920 to Philip Macznik and Josephine Kotlinska.
Heather, My suggestion would be begin building your evidence by obtaining birth & death certificates from the Cook County Clerk's website and possibly obtaining the birth certificate from Holy Innocents for Ladislaus Philippus Macznik and seeing what information those records contain before moving back in time.
Dave
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:25 am
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Re: The village Mistrzowice is about 2.5 mi. north of Rogów on this map, so if that's Filip's village it would make sense that he would be traveling with people from Rogów.
-- You are right, the village Mistrzowice is indeed very close to Rogów, and -- as you said -- in this case it would make sense that Flip would be traveling with people from Rogów.
Re: I didn't think Baranów Sandomierski was the right Baranów because at this point you have to cross the Vistula R. to be in the Kingdom of Poland. That's why I chose the other Baranów near Lublin which most definitely is in the Kingdom of Poland based on the 1904 map I was using.
-- Oh, okay. My mistake. Guess I didn't read thoroughly enough what you said about Baranów Sandomierski and the other Baranów near Lublin before I posted the map.
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:31 am
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Based on the information we all have collected so far, Filip Moncznik's family tree should look as follows (please correct me if I am wrong or add info I may have missed):
Generation 1
1. FILIP MONCZNIK was born on 20 Mar 1881 in Mistrzowice, Russia-Poland. He died before 09 Aug 1960. He married (1) MARYANNA (MARY) GWOZDZ, daughter of Andrzej Gwizdz or Gwozdz and Maryanna Auguscin or Augustin on 21 Nov 1911 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; St. John Cantius Church. She was born about 1890. She died on 24 Oct 1918. He married (2) JOSEPHINE KOTLINSKA about 1919. She was born about 1890 in Poland. She died in Aug 1960.
Filip Moncznik and Maryanna (Mary) Gwozdz had the following children:
MARIANNA FRANCISCA (MARIE, MARY FRANCIS) MONCZNIK was born on 04 Oct 1912 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. She married John Rojek on 24 Jun 1933.
LADISLAUS PHILIPPUS (WLADISLAW) MONCZNIK was born about 1916. He died on 09 Sep 1925 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA.
Filip Moncznik and Josephine Kotlinska had the following children:
STEVE JOSEPH MONCZNIK was born on 13 Mar 1920 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. He died on 01 Mar 1999 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. He married MARIE J. SCHALK. She died on 27 Apr 1984.
FLORENCE MONCZNIK was born about 1921. She married MARTIN SZYMCZYK.
NETTI ANNA MACZNIK was born on 05 Jan 1922 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. No further info on her.
Obituary for Josephine Kotlinska:
1960-08-08 Chicago Tribune Josephine Moncznik, nee Kotlinski, wife of the late Phillip; devoted mother of Mary, Stephen and Florence; dear mother-in-law of John Rojek, Marie Moncznik, and Martin Szymczyk; sister-in-law of Frances Sowula and Frances Kotlinski … Source: Chicago Tribune. Record Number: 19600808dn101.
Generation 2
2. STEVE JOSEPH MONCZNIK (son of Filip Moncznik) was born on 13 Mar 1920 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. He died on 01 Mar 1999 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. He married MARIE J. SCHALK. She died on 27 Apr 1984.
Obituary for Marie J. Moncznik
1984-04-27 Chicago Tribune Marie J. Moncznik, nee Schalk, beloved wife of Steve; loving mother of Steven; devoted sister of Adeline (Phil) Mustacchia and the late Viola Munden; dear sister in law of Marie Rojek and Florence (Martin) Szymczyk …
Source: Chicago Tribune. Record Number: 19840427dn061.
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dnowickiPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:34 am
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Ute,
Filip died on October 21, 1951 in Chicago. The record is available on the Cook County Clerk's website. He is indexed as Filip Moncznik and his death certificate is #6072110.
Happy New Year.
Dave
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:45 am
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| dnowicki wrote: | Ute,
Filip died on October 21, 1951 in Chicago. The record is available on the Cook County Clerk's website. He is indexed as Filip Moncznik and his death certificate is #6072110.
Happy New Year.
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Thank you very much, Dave -- and Happy New Year to you!
Ute
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:54 am
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Hi All,
I can't help noticing the post from Uncle Gregg stating that his Great Grandmother was Mary Kosla from Pilsno. My grandmother on my Dad's side, the Majka's, was Anna Kosla born in Pilsno in 1885. She had a sister, Maria. Her father was John Kosla and mother was Theresa Matray.
My grandfather on my Mom's side was John Dzielawa from Odrowaz.
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Tracy9
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:04 pm
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I read in the original post on this thread a list of surnames associated with Odrowaz. One of the surnames, Mrozek, is of great interest to me. My great grandmother was named Agnieszka (Agnes) Mrozek. She came to the US from Odrowaz in 1906. Her father is listed as Joseph Mrozek and her mother as Tekla in one source and Tillie Dusor in another source.
According to a letter sent to me by a great aunt, Agnes was married to a man in Odrowaz and had 3 children with him (names unknown). After her husband died, she left her children with relatives and came to the US, where she married Martin J. Kulak, who had come to the US from Galicia in 1910. Together they had 9 children, 1 of whom was stillborn and 1 who died at 7 months. They were settled in Chicago, mainly on 21st Street.
I have just started researching this branch of my tree. If anyone on the forum has information on Mrozek or Kulak, I would very grateful for the help.
Thank you!
Tracy
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Cheri Vanden BergPO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:25 pm
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Tracy,
Agnieszka Mrożek was born 27 Jan 1883 in house #117 in Odrowąż. Her father was Józef Mrożek and her mother was Tekla Biernat. Józef's parents were Bartłomiej Mrożek and Rozalia Głowacz. Tekla's parents were Michał Biernat and Marianna Dusza. Agnieszka had sisters Anna b. 1880 and Marta b. 1887, and brothers Jan b. 1878 and Andrzej b. 1889. I am no relation (that I know of). My family is from nearby Załuczne, but the only surname that I have in common is Biernat.
Cheri
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Tracy9
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:40 pm
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Thank you so much, Cheri! This is wonderful information and provides a good foundation for me to work from. I can't wait to tell my mom!
Tracy
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Tracy9
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:48 pm
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Cheri,
How do you find information such as this? I'm wondering if any records are online or can be viewed at the Family History Library. I live in Dallas, Texas, so my resources are limited to what I can find on the web or through libraries.
Again, thank you for your help!
Tracy
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Cheri Vanden BergPO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:31 pm
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Tracy,
Unfortunately the birth record for Agnieszka was not online. It is also unfortunate that the Odrowąż church records were not filmed by the LDS, so there is no microfilm to order from the Family History Library. Copies of church records from other areas in Poland were sent to National Archives, and some of those now can be seen online. UNFORTUNATELY, our area of Poland was not required to send copies, so the National Archives has nothing from the Odrowąż church . The Archdiocese of Kraków has copies of many years from the Odrowąż church. A group of us, lead by Shellie who started this Odrowąż thread, hired a researcher to get some records from the Archdiocese of Kraków. Hiring a genealogist, or writing to the priest in Odrowąż, or finding family in Poland that might know something, or finding your ancestors names in an online tree (and hoping that tree is accurate) are the only options I can think of at the moment. I'm going to send you a private email through Polish Origins.
Cheri
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ZenonPolishOrigins Team Leader
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ShelliePO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:06 pm
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Dearest Zenon,
It makes me so sad to hear that the priest is so uncooperative. I know so many people who are desperately trying to research their ancestors from Zaluczne. This is what I was told can be found in Archdiocese of Krakow. Odrowaz and Zaluczne are in the same registry book:
Odrowąż and Załuczne - the same parish:
birth
1786-1832
1837-1850
1886-1889
weddings
1786-1832
1837-1850
1886-1889
Deaths
1786-1832
1837-1850
1886-1889
Zenon, if you are lucky at all to get access to the registry books, please let me know. Photography of the books in the archives is expensive, but there are so many of us who want this info.
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Cheri Vanden BergPO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:23 pm
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Shellie,
I thought that Odrowąż and Załuczne were in separate registry books. Zenon, I sent you a pm.
Yes, it's very sad that the priest seems to think that searching for ancestors is some covert operation. He needs to realize that we are people whose families were torn from our homeland, and all we seek is a connection - certainly not monetary gain...
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