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HELENAWOJTCZAK
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:52 pm      Post subject: Searching for Bronislaw Wojtczak Marcinkowski x 2
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I've spent literally 100 hours looking for someone, to no avail, I now believe she is in fact, two people. That is helpful, but it means there are now two people that I cannot find.

I've tried searching all the usual places, and I'm exhausted and so frustrated with it that I'm asking for help from someone who is more expert at manipulating the archives.

OK here is everything I have on these two women:

Woman 1. born around 1860s. Maiden name Marcinkowska. Married Konstanty Wojtczak, had son Marian Konstanty Wojtczak in 1885. I got all this information on her from her son's death record.


Woman 2. born around 1880s. Appears on Leonard Marcinkowski's 1929 marriage record as "Bronislawa Wojtczak". Presumably she was born Wojtczak and married Franciszek Marcinkowski (Leonard's father). Leonard was born in 1904.

I cannot find any birth, marriage or death records for either Bronislawa Wojtczak or Bronislawa Marcinkowski, nor any of their children, nor their husbands.

To sum up, the only three pieces of evidence that I have of their existence are:

Woman 1 mentioned in son's death.
Woman 2 mentioned in son's marriage.

Woman 1 and 2 conflated into one person in my late father's dodgy memory! He claims to have visited her in Stary Zamosc in 1940, where she was a farmer. He gave me a photo of her and on the back he has written "Babka Marcinkowska z Bogumila" (assume Bogumily is the village she came from). He claims that she is his grandmother (via his father, Marian Konstanty Wojtczak) and he claims that she was Leonard Marcinkowski's mother, but that is impossible according to the records.

Franciszek Marcinkowski reported the death of Marian Konstanty Wojtczak's son, which again proves a link.

If anyone is prepared to lend a hand with this I would be very grateful.

Helena

Translation of record attached; DEATH OF MARIAN WOJTCZAK It happened in Lublin on 4th December 1942 (in the presence of Wanda Konieczna, the wife of a fitter of Helenow and Bronislawa Wojtczak, nurse of Lublin, (and ?) the day before (?) at 2 o clock died in Helenow Marian Konstanty Wojtczak master brickmaker, widower of Marianna Naj, aged 57, born of Konstanty and Bronislawa Marcinkowska, married name Wojtczak, born in Elizówka, Dyś Parish, residing in Helenów, the local parish. After learning (przekonaniu się = convincing) of the death of Marian Konstanty Wojtczak, this act was signed, after reading to the gathered people. U.S.C. - Urząd Stanu Cywilnego; Civil Registry (and some signatures): Fr. ..., Wanda Konieczna, Bronisława Wojtczak.



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Post Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:52 pm      Post subject:
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Oh dear... now I am really worried ~ so many people visited and nobody left a message. Perhaps this is just too hard, and can never be solved. I have continued searching .... found nothing. If anyone can help, please leave a message. Cheers, Helena
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:55 pm      Post subject:
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Hello Helena,

It is confusing. However, here is a theory to consider:

You have two families (Marcinowski and Wojtczak) who are close friends. Their children marry one another, which was a common practice over multiple generations. Each family has a daughter named Bronislawa - a common given name.

The Bronislawa in the Marcinowski family ends up marrying Konstanty Wojtczak and they give birth to a son, Marian. Marian lives and dies in Helenow, Lublin.

The Bronislawa in the Wojtzcak family marries Frank Marcinowski and gives birth to a son named Leonard. Leonard marries in Lublin.

As to locating records for the two Bronislawas, I don't know what villages you have tried searching to locate them. Do you have the translation of Leonard's marriage record? Although the marriage seems to have been performed in Lublin, it also seems to indicate Leonard was born in a parish near Rypin. At this point, if I were you, I would assume 2 separate women, and begin trying to narrow down which one is associated with which village. Example: in marriage record, I see Lublin and Rypin mentioned; in the death record, I see Elizowka Lublin, and Helenow. Then, your father mentions Bogumily and Stary Zamosc.

Have you searched for Marian Wojtczak's birth record in Elizowki?
Have you searched for Leonard Marcinowski's birth record in the village in/near Rypin as stated in his marriage record?

I guess that is where I would start and work my way backwards.

Best of luck,
Cynthia
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Post Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:41 am      Post subject:
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Hello Cynthia and thank you for taking an interest in my problem.

Your assessment of the two ladies seems to match mine.

Do you have the translation of Leonard's marriage record?
I can understand it (I think!) but I can send it to Elzbieta, I suppose. She might turn up something I didn't understand.


Have you searched for Marian Wojtczak's birth record in Elizowki?


Elizowka is not yet scanned or indexed.

Have you searched for Leonard Marcinowski's birth record in the village in/near Rypin as stated in his marriage record?

His marriage says he was born in parish Ptycza - that is in Wolyn, today in Ukraine. Do we have Ukraine records on here?

Helena
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Post Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:01 pm      Post subject:
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Hi Helena,

I am not sure if this helps, but I did find that there are 2 villages named Elizowka in Lublin:

Elizowka (This one is closer to Zamosc)
Gmina Turobin
Bilgoraj County

Elizowka
Gmina Niemce
Lublin County

The digitized records online for Elizowka in the Gmina Turobin are available through the National Archives:

http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/search?q=Elizowka%20XSKANro%3At

Have you tried this collection?

PS, I hope this link works. If not, let me know.

Cynthia
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Another note on the link I provided above: Two sets of scans will show up. One of them is Gmina Turobin. The other seems to be the parish of Dys. If I recall correctly, the death record indicated Elizowka Dys. Also, per google maps, Elizowka in Gmina Niemce is very close to Dys.

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:53 pm      Post subject:
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mcdonald0517 wrote:
Another note on the link I provided above: Two sets of scans will show up. One of them is Gmina Turobin. The other seems to be the parish of Dys. If I recall correctly, the death record indicated Elizowka Dys. Also, per google maps, Elizowka in Gmina Niemce is very close to Dys.

Cynthia


I'm sure my dziadek was born in Elizowka Dys Niemce. This is the translation of his death record. I think if it was the other Dys it would say Turobin or Zamosc to distinguish it from the nearby one in Niemce.


DEATH OF MARIAN WOJTCZAK
It happened in Lublin on 4th December 1942 (in the presence of Wanda Konieczna, the wife of a fitter of Helenow and Bronislawa Wojtczak, nurse of Lublin, (and ?) the day before (?) at 2 o clock died in Helenow Marian Konstanty Wojtczak master brickmaker, widower of Marianna Naj, aged 57, born of Konstanty and Bronislawa Marcinkowska, married name Wojtczak, born in Elizówka, Dyś Parish, residing in Helenów, the local parish. After learning (przekonaniu się = convincing) of the death of Marian Konstanty Wojtczak, this act was signed, after reading to the gathered people. U.S.C. - Urząd Stanu Cywilnego; Civil Registry (and some signatures): Fr. ..., Wanda Konieczna, Bronisława Wojtczak.







I followed that link and there are zero scans for 1885.

I'm going to Lublin in a couple of weeks and if I can find out where to go and where it is and how to email them to make an appointment, I could spend half a day in the archives and look for him. Of course the trouble is, I don't read Russian. Hmmm. maybe I will forget that idea.

I'd still like to find our about Miss Marcinkowska and Miss Wojtczak, if I can.


Thank you.

Helena
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Post Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:16 am      Post subject: update
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Found my grandfather's birth record 1884. Mother Bronislawa Wojtczak, unmarried. That ends the theory of two Bronislawas marrying friends' families.

Seems Leonard Marcinkowski was her third son by Frank Marcinkowski. The others were born 1886, 1888. So she must have married Marcinkowski around 1885 but I find no record.

I know they are the same family as my father told me he had a step brother called Leonard Marcinkowski (who was a lawyer in Zamosc.)

I still need help as I am at a dead end.
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:02 am      Post subject: 22 months later
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And I am still stuck at the same place.

Just checking in to say hello.
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