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Elzbieta Porteneuve
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:06 am Post subject:

blondegenielmg wrote:

Is this Aleksander? If so, would you translate it for me?

http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0111d&sy=1891&kt=1&plik=099-101.jpg#zoom=2&x=424&y=242

If this isn't a Stanczyk child would you show the letters I should be looking for?

Laurel,

Excellent, it is Aleksander Stanczak record.

Here it is,
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Elzbieta

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http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0111d&sy=1891&kt=1&plik=099-101.jpg#zoom=2&x=424&y=242
Obłudzin N 99
It happened in the village Węgrzynowo on /6/18/ December 1891, at 2 pm. Appeared in Franciszek Stańczak, 52 years old, peasant residing in Obłudzin, in the presence of Florian Pietrzak, 39 years old, peasant, and Antoni Pogorzelski, 52 years old, peasant residing in Obłudzin, and presented us a male child, declaring he was born in Obłudzin today, at 9 am, with his wife Stefania born Olszewska, 40 years old. On the holy baptism held today, the child was given the name Aleksander, and his godparents were Ludwik Syrakowski and Marianna Bojarska. This act was read etc.
Priest W. Kozłowski, administrator of Węgrzynowo

DATE-of-ACT: /6/18/ - 18 December 1891, at 2 pm, in the village Węgrzynowo
FATHER: Franciszek Stańczak, 52 years old, peasant residing in Obłudzin
MOTHER: Stefania born Olszewska, 40 years old, his wife
KTO: Aleksander Stańczak, born 18 December 1891, at 9 am, in Obłudzin
WITNESSES: Florian Pietrzak, 39 years old, peasant, and Antoni Pogorzelski, 52 years old, peasant residing in Obłudzin
GODPARENTS: Ludwik Syrakowski and Marianna Bojarska
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:48 am Post subject: Birth records of Franciszek & Stefania

Laurel,

Based on the ages in the record Elzbieta just transted, if you look for the birth & baptism records of Franciszek (born c. 1837) and Stefania (born c. 1851) the good news is that you'll not have to deal with the Cyrillic alphabet. Civil registrations in the Russian Partition aka The Congress Kingdom of Poland (Krolestwo Polskie) were in Polish until 1868 and only after that were they in Russian. But then, of course, there is the bad news---records for those years are not online on Metryki. Then there is even worse news----the LDS films do not include those years. However, there is another way to skin that proverbial cat---you can write directly to the parish in Wegrzynowo. The contact info (including email) is on the attachment. Those records will most likely be in Latin and you'll have to depend on the good will of the priest to look up the entries, but the only way to know if things will work out favorably is to give it a try.

Wishing you success,

Dave

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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:03 pm Post subject:

Dave and Elzbieta,

I don't want to be rude to the parish priest but should the letter be in English or Polish?

I have a cousin who unearthed a great-great-great grandparent but I think this is Russian? Can someone on this site translate this record or do I need to go elsewhere?

I think this is a death notation for Andrjez Abramski.

http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0688d&sy=151&kt=4&plik=001-002.jpg#zoom=1.5&x=1940&y=1458

Thank you so much. It's nice to know I was able to spot Aleksander. Now I think I just have to be patient and walk through the other records until I find type that looks the same.

Laurel Manning

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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:15 pm Post subject:

Laurel,

It would be better to write to the parish in Polish since not all priests read and write English. You should be able to use the sample sentences found in the LDS Polish letter writing guide to ask for the information you need.

That is the death record of Andrzej Abramski. If you post it on Russian Records Translations it will be translated for you.

Best of luck,

Dave

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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:24 am Post subject:

Elzbieta,
While I was surfing online I found another site that is like an index into the records on Metryki. Geneteka shows Leopold Abramski born 1856 Akt 4 and his brother Wojciech Marek Abramski born 1853 Akt. 37. I'm thinking that the father shown for Wojciech is the same for my Leopold. Both records are shown for Szelkow. I can't find them in Metryki. If Geneteka has them listed they should be in Metryki, right?

Can you help in finding these records or translating them, please?

Thanks,

Laurel Manning

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:33 pm Post subject:

Could this be translated for me? I'm hoping this is a birth record for Adolph Abramski ( #20) brother to my great grandfatehr.

http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0688d&sy=110&kt=3&plik=017-020.jpg#zoom=2&x=1818&y=1286

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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:04 am Post subject:

blondegenielmg wrote:

Laurel,

Here is birth record of Władysław Abramski, no Adolf Abramski inside.

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Elzbieta
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http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0688d&sy=110&kt=3&plik=017-020.jpg#zoom=2&x=1818&y=1286
N20 Łaś
It happened in the village Szelków /19/31/ January 1890 at 12:00.
Appeared Leopold Abramski, 35 years old, peasant residing in Łaś, in the presence of Adolf Grabowski, 30 years old, and Ludwik Kraszewski, 33 years old, farmer from Łaś, and presented us a male child born in Łaś 26 January at 3 pm, with his wife Julianna born Zduniak, 30 years old. On the holy baptism held today the childa was given the name Władysław, and his godparents were Adolf Grabowski and Jozefa Chojnowska.

DATE-of-ACT: /19/31/ - 31 January 1890 at 12:00, in the village Szelków
FATHER: Leopold Abramski, 35 years old, peasant residing in Łaś
MOTHER: Julianna born Zduniak, 30 years old, his wife
KTO: Władysław Abramski, born 26 January 1890 at 3 pm, in Łaś
WITNESSES: Adolf Grabowski, 30 years old, and Ludwik Kraszewski, 33 years old, farmer from Łaś
GODPARENTS: Adolf Grabowski and Jozefa Chojnowska

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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:49 pm Post subject:

Elzbieta,

Remember when you found the first born son of Franciszek and Stanislawa Abramski? I was able to find the next son, Czeslaw. All this time we thought he was born on board ship as they crossed over because of the Ellis Island records and census. It seems we were wrong. It looks like he was born in Poland but not in Szelkow, in Rozan, on the journey before leaving. He is AKT 294. I would appreciate this being translated. My cousins in Arizona will be thrilled to see an accurate record of their great-grandfather.

http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0638d&sy=1901&kt=1&plik=291-294.jpg#zoom=2.25&x=1878&y=1374

Thank you for all you've done.

Laurel Manning

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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:00 pm Post subject:

blondegenielmg wrote:

Laurel,

Here is Czeslaw.

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Elzbieta

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http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0638d&sy=1901&kt=1&plik=291-294.jpg#zoom=2.25&x=1878&y=1374
Bełdyki (part of village), Małki, circa 2 km north of Rzewnie
woj. mazowieckie
pow. makowski
gmina Rzewnie

Bełdyki N294
It happened in the village Różan on /13/26/ December 1901 at 4 pm. Appeared Franciszek Abramski, peasant residing in Bełdyki, 23 years old, in the presence of Aleksander Drzewnicki, 49 years old, and Stanisław Białobrzeski, 41 years old, both peasants residing in Bełdyki, and presented us a male child, declaring he was born in Bełdyki, /12/25/ December current year, at 10 pm, with his wife Stanisława born Stańczak, 22 years old. On the holy baptism held today, by priest Tomasz Bluch, vicar, the child was given the name Czesław, and his godparents were the above mentioned Aleksander Drzewnicki and Julianna Abramska. This act was read etc.
Priest Jozef Osniczewski?

DATE-of-ACT: /13/26/ - 26 December 1901 at 4 pm, in the village Różan
FATHER: Franciszek Abramski, peasant residing in Bełdyki, 23 years old
MOTHER: Stanisława born Stańczak, 22 years old, his wife
KTO: Czesław Abramski, born /12/25/ - 25 December 1901 at 10 pm, in Bełdyki
WITNESSES: Aleksander Drzewnicki, 49 years old, and Stanisław Białobrzeski, 41 years old, both peasants residing in Bełdyki
GODPARENTS: Aleksander Drzewnicki and Julianna Abramska

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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:38 am Post subject:

Elzbieta,
If you have time would you please translate the birth record of Julian Abramski and the side note? He was born in 1897 the record is Akt. 30.

http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0688d&sy=111&kt=4&plik=027-030.jpg#zoom=2&x=1974&y=1521

Thank you,

Laurel

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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:34 am Post subject:

blondegenielmg wrote:

Laurel,

Here is Julian (written Juljan, before orthography reform in 1936).

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Elzbieta

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http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=6&zs=0688d&sy=111&kt=4&plik=027-030.jpg#zoom=2&x=1974&y=1521
Łaś 30
It happened in the village Szelków on /10/22/ February 1897, at 9 am. Appeared Leopold Abramski, 38 years old, peasant from Łaś, in the presence of Antoni Zawyk, 34 years old, and Franciszek Nitkowski, 30 years old, both peasants from Łaś, and presented us a male child, declaring he was born in Łaś on /1/13/ February this year, at 2 pm, with his wife Juljanna born Zduniak, 37 years old. On the holy baptism held today by us, the child was given the name Juljan, and his godparents were the above mentioned Jan Bońk and Balbina Nitkowska. This act was read etc.
Signature X. Albin Zycielski?

DATE-of-ACT: /10/22/ - 22 February 1897, at 9 am, in Szelków
FATHER: Leopold Abramski, 38 years old, peasant from Łaś
MOTHER: Julianna born Zduniak, 37 years old
KTO: Juljan Abramski, born 13 February 1897, in Łaś
WITNESSES: Antoni Zawyk, 34 years old, and Franciszek Nitkowski, 30 years old, both peasants from Łaś
GODPARENTS: Jan Bońk and Balbina Nitkowska
ANNOTATION-on-birth-record: Juljan Abramski poslubil Eifetie Wrzesińska [in 1927 first and last in Cyrillic, crazy scribe, Ейфетія] w kosciele Makowskim, 29/I 1927 r. (signature illegible) // Juljan Abramski married Eifetia Wrzesińska, at the church in Maków, 29 January 1927
NOTE: geography Maków Mazowiecki

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:22 pm Post subject:

I would like to find the parents of Stefania Olszewska, wife of Franciszek Stanczak. Would her death record be in Obludzin where she lived with her husband or would her death record be found in the village where she was born?

Thank you,

Laurel

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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject:

Laurel,

Her death record would be in the parish where she resided at the time of her death. That would most likely be Obludzin, unless she moved elsewhere before death----possible if she was a widow at the time of her death and went to live with a child or other relative.

Good luck in your search,

Dave

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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:45 pm Post subject: Parish address verification- Węgrzynowo

Dave,

My cousin tried to send an email to the address you gave me for the parish in Węgrzynowo so I could get the marriage and birth info for Franciszek Stanczak and Stefania Olszewska. The email came back as undeliverable. Before I go through the expense of snail mail from the states, could you double check the addresses you gave me, please?

Thanks so much,
Laurie Manning

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:23 am Post subject:

Laurel,

The screen shot with the info is from the official website of the Diocese of Plock and the info is still the same as of today. I don't know where would be a better place to look for the email address. Perhaps before writing a letter you could ask your cousin to check if the email address was typed correctly.

Dave

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