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singingfalls
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: A template

Would someone be so kind to give me a TRANSLITERATED version of this record? I am failing miserably at translating my Russian scripted records. I have a boat load of birth, death and marriage records and more coming all the time. They seem to be in a format that is unlike the ones I see on line as guides. Not entirely but different just the same. I would appreciate it very much if I could just get some templates that allow me to break down the language for my attempts at translation. Thank you for your kind consideration. See the attached. Hopefully I could impose for death and marriage templates at a later date.

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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: A template

singingfalls wrote:

Stan,

this is the best I have seen:
http://zofiafederowicz.com/akta-metrykalne/

Gilberto

singingfalls
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:06 pm Post subject:

Thank you Gilberto. That is the one I have been seeking to use. It doesn't conform to my needs.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: A template

singingfalls wrote:

Stasu,

A couple of disclaimers from the get go: 1. Russian in handwritten Cyrillic is not my field of expertise; 2) The "template" is based on my teaching myself to get the main info from Cyrillic records for my own research; 3) The underlining and numbers are far from neat but the best I was able to do. I'm not capable of transliterating the text and can't read the entire text but can point out the important data. Red is the important stuff and blue marks info of secondary import.

#1: It happened in followed by
#2: The name of the place where the record was composed. That info is simply the name of the parish which should already be known.
#3: Date according to the Julian Calendar---day and month
#4: Date according to the Gregorian Calendar---day and month. In this record it is the sixth of November. The year follows, but, again that is already known.
#5: Name of the father/informant (in Cyrillic and in Polish)---in this case it is Antoni Wlaz.
#6: Age of the father/informant' The last words in this section are "from birth"---always a clue that what goes before are the numbers for the age of the person. This is followed by the names and ages of the witnesses.
#7: Sex/gender of the child---in this case the child is male.
#8: Day and month of birth according to the Julian Calendar.
#9: Day and month of birth according to the Gregorian Calendar---November 4
#10: Given and maiden name of the mother in Cyrillic and in Polish.
#11: Age of the mother.
#12: Name of the child in Russian and in Polish---Antoni

Most birth records follow a similar format. One important difference is that if the baptism/recording of the birth took place on the same day as the birth or on the day after the birth the birth info is not given as a day and month but will state "today's date" or "yesterday's date". Often the record gives the occupation/status of the father and of the witnesses but that is beyond my capabilities. Sometimes the record will list the time of birth but, again, I find it difficult to glean that info from the text.

I imagine you've seen the "handouts" for the alphabet, the months, etc. The other two attachments are a list of the ordinal numbers in written form which I've found to be most helpful.

I generally ignore the case endings (declensions) since the important info can be determined without the nicety of determining the case ending.

I find a word for word translation of a record to be something I like to have for direct ancestors but just extracting the important data for more distant relatives is sufficient. That is my approach with Polish and Latin records which I have no difficulty reading. The only reason I translate any such records is for the benefit of my relatives who do not have the necessary language skills to read the record. However, I've found it to be too time consuming to transliterate and translate all the thousands of records, for example, of cousins five times removed. I asked myself "Cui bono?" and the answer came back as a resounding "Not to bother."

Hope this helps you somewhat.

Wishing you successful translations,

Dave

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singingfalls
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:25 am Post subject:

Dave,

I am very grateful for the time you have taken to do this. My gratitude to you. This will help me. My keenest interest for these records is also in lineage back in time for great aunts, uncles and grandparents. Not so much cousins etc. I am leaving that up to my myheritage account. I have about 85 of records on my mothers side so far that warrant translation.

Thanks again.
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