Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:38 pm
Post subject: Can't figure out this town!! Near Grodno?
Hello all,
For my great-grandfather's place of birth on his naturalization papers it has Grodno, which I understand is currently part of Belarus. On the passenger manifest from his immigration, it has the town listed as something else, which Ancestry.com writes as "Wara Tamenja" which I tried to search with various spellings on the internet and there is NOTHING, no "did you mean ____" or anything! One of his draft registration cards has another place in Grodno that I can't even begin to understand what the letters are... maybe a D at the beginning? there's a W in there too...LOL hopefully someone can help me! He was born in 1894, so I know the country borders were different at that time! Thank you in advance 
- Lauren
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Can't figure out this town!! Near Grodno?
| azslp1842 wrote: | Hello all,
For my great-grandfather's place of birth on his naturalization papers it has Grodno, which I understand is currently part of Belarus. On the passenger manifest from his immigration, it has the town listed as something else, which Ancestry.com writes as "Wara Tamenja" which I tried to search with various spellings on the internet and there is NOTHING, no "did you mean ____" or anything! One of his draft registration cards has another place in Grodno that I can't even begin to understand what the letters are... maybe a D at the beginning? there's a W in there too...LOL hopefully someone can help me! He was born in 1894, so I know the country borders were different at that time! Thank you in advance
- Lauren |
Lauren
I cannot view your images, maybe because they were uploaded as .png files, rather thant .jpeg files. However, I was able to see the Draft Card through Family Search website. Though it reads Dnbrona, I think it could Dabrowola, near the polish border. Wara could be, Wola, a very common name for tons of polish places.
Gilberto
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:10 am
Post subject: Re: Can't figure out this town!! Near Grodno?
| Magroski49 wrote: | | azslp1842 wrote: | Hello all,
For my great-grandfather's place of birth on his naturalization papers it has Grodno, which I understand is currently part of Belarus. On the passenger manifest from his immigration, it has the town listed as something else, which Ancestry.com writes as "Wara Tamenja" which I tried to search with various spellings on the internet and there is NOTHING, no "did you mean ____" or anything! One of his draft registration cards has another place in Grodno that I can't even begin to understand what the letters are... maybe a D at the beginning? there's a W in there too...LOL hopefully someone can help me! He was born in 1894, so I know the country borders were different at that time! Thank you in advance
- Lauren |
Lauren
I cannot view your images, maybe because they were uploaded as .png files, rather thant .jpeg files. However, I was able to see the Draft Card through Family Search website. Though it reads Dnbrona, I think it could Dambrowa or Dombrowa, near the polish border. Wara could be, Wola, a very common name for tons of polish places.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:16 pm
Post subject: Oops!
Oh no I'm sorry!! Let's see if this works better...Thank you so much for your reply!
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Oops!
| azslp1842 wrote: | | Oh no I'm sorry!! Let's see if this works better...Thank you so much for your reply! |
I disagre it starts with W: compare the initial of his father's given name abbreviated W.
So I though it could be H. Again, didn't match with the Horodenko at the bottom.
Maybe N?
Then I decided to zoom out the image and now I see STARA Tamanje. Lots of Stara, Stare, and Stary (=old) in Belarus, but coould not find any S* Tamanje.
http://www.fallingrain.com/world/BO/a/S/t/a/r/
Gilberto
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:32 pm
Post subject: Interesting!
Aha! "ST" ! I bet you're exactly right. I was doing the same exact thing, comparing the other known letters on the page because it didn't match the "W" in his father's initial. Thank you! The mystery still continues with the town name...
I appreciate your help. Thanks!
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:45 pm
Post subject: Possible?
Interestingly, browsing around on the map, is it possible that the location written with a "D" on his draft card is a version of Dabrowa in Poland, which happens to be near another location called "Stara Kamienna"? Less than 20 miles from Grodno? Maybe this is the area at least...
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Possible?
| azslp1842 wrote: | | Interestingly, browsing around on the map, is it possible that the location written with a "D" on his draft card is a version of Dabrowa in Poland, which happens to be near another location called "Stara Kamienna"? Less than 20 miles from Grodno? Maybe this is the area at least... |
YESSSSS! I had just found it,, too, and was going to tell you. Though the handwritting doesn't look like Kamiena, it is the closest match in my opinion.
Gilberto
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:40 pm
Post subject: 1 jpg
Na 1 zdjęciu - DUBLANY (Dublana)http://www.kami.net.pl/kresy
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:56 am
Post subject: Re: Possible?
| Magroski49 wrote: | | azslp1842 wrote: | | Interestingly, browsing around on the map, is it possible that the location written with a "D" on his draft card is a version of Dabrowa in Poland, which happens to be near another location called "Stara Kamienna"? Less than 20 miles from Grodno? Maybe this is the area at least... |
YESSSSS! I had just found it,, too, and was going to tell you. Though the handwritting doesn't look like Kamiena, it is the closest match in my opinion.
Gilberto |
Greetings all,
Gilberto,
Indeed, it does not look like "K" but rather like latin T = cyrillic Г => the cyrillic Г is spelled like latin G.
My guess is that the word Kamienja (already approximative spelling for Kamienna) was written Tamienja. The scribe had doubts about it, and he re-wrote it on the left side with cyrillic Г, Гamienja spelled Gamienja.
Kamienja and Gamienja, it's close.
Best,
Elzbieta
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