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Lyn1982



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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:40 pm      Post subject: Re: Olsztyn archives:Maluchnik born between 1846-1856 (1871)
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Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote:
Lyn1982 wrote:
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EDITED This Antoni to be checked - if he died in Poland, and if parents are Paweł and Józefa Brzezna, then he is not your Antoni:
1916 2 Antoni Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Janowo Zembrzus [Miejsce przechowywania ksiąg: Urząd Stanu Cywilnego ] [Indeks dodał: Izabela_Czaplicka]

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Elzbieta


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I'm confused. Why not? My Anton didn't immigrate far as I know. I mean the Senior Anton. Sorry, guess it gets confusing. He also had a son Anton whom may be my ancestor (or it may be Stanislaw as I explained above).


That is my misunderstanding, I thought that Antoni Maluchnik son of Pawel, probably born 1856, emigrated to the US.
It would be good to see this record from 1916.

We know that Pawel Maluchnik, died /2/14/ Aug 1856, the year of birth of Antoni.

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Elzbieta


Pawel had son Frank in 1857. http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=14wm&rid=B&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_name=pawel&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable= So I'll have to see if I had that translated before. (Edit this is one record I need translated) tho not sure it will help much. Just would be nice to make sure is nothing weird with the birth, like the child being born very late in the year)
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:52 pm      Post subject: Re: Olsztyn archives:Maluchnik born between 1846-1856 (1871)
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Lyn1982 wrote:
Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote:
Lyn1982 wrote:
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EDITED This Antoni to be checked - if he died in Poland, and if parents are Paweł and Józefa Brzezna, then he is not your Antoni:
1916 2 Antoni Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Janowo Zembrzus [Miejsce przechowywania ksiąg: Urząd Stanu Cywilnego ] [Indeks dodał: Izabela_Czaplicka]

Best,
Elzbieta


Lyn1982 wrote:
I'm confused. Why not? My Anton didn't immigrate far as I know. I mean the Senior Anton. Sorry, guess it gets confusing. He also had a son Anton whom may be my ancestor (or it may be Stanislaw as I explained above).


That is my misunderstanding, I thought that Antoni Maluchnik son of Pawel, probably born 1856, emigrated to the US.
It would be good to see this record from 1916.

We know that Pawel Maluchnik, died /2/14/ Aug 1856, the year of birth of Antoni.

Best,
Elzbieta


Pawel had son Frank in 1857. http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=14wm&rid=B&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_name=pawel&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable= So I'll have to see if I had that translated before.


Yes,
1857 21 Franciszek Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Brzyzna Janowo Wólka Zdziwujska [Miejsce przechowywania ksiąg: Archiwum Państwowe w Olsztynie 10-521 Olsztyn, ul. Partyzantów 18] [Indeks dodał: gosiagosia2 Weryfikował: beatabistram]

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The birth record of baby Franciszek contains the DEATH record of his father Pawel.
1857 21 Franciszek Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Brzyzna Janowo Wólka Zdziwujska
DATE-of-BIRTH-Franciszek: /1/13/ March 1857, son of the late Pawel Maluchnik, died /2/14/ Aug 1856 , 50 y, and Jozefa nee Brzyzna 30 y.

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:06 pm      Post subject: Re: Olsztyn archives:Maluchnik born between 1846-1856 (1871)
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Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote:
Lyn1982 wrote:
Elzbieta Porteneuve wrote:
Lyn1982 wrote:
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EDITED This Antoni to be checked - if he died in Poland, and if parents are Paweł and Józefa Brzezna, then he is not your Antoni:
1916 2 Antoni Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Janowo Zembrzus [Miejsce przechowywania ksiąg: Urząd Stanu Cywilnego ] [Indeks dodał: Izabela_Czaplicka]

Best,
Elzbieta


Lyn1982 wrote:
I'm confused. Why not? My Anton didn't immigrate far as I know. I mean the Senior Anton. Sorry, guess it gets confusing. He also had a son Anton whom may be my ancestor (or it may be Stanislaw as I explained above).


That is my misunderstanding, I thought that Antoni Maluchnik son of Pawel, probably born 1856, emigrated to the US.
It would be good to see this record from 1916.

We know that Pawel Maluchnik, died /2/14/ Aug 1856, the year of birth of Antoni.

Best,
Elzbieta


Pawel had son Frank in 1857. http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=14wm&rid=B&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_name=pawel&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable= So I'll have to see if I had that translated before.


Yes,
1857 21 Franciszek Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Brzyzna Janowo Wólka Zdziwujska [Miejsce przechowywania ksiąg: Archiwum Państwowe w Olsztynie 10-521 Olsztyn, ul. Partyzantów 18] [Indeks dodał: gosiagosia2 Weryfikował: beatabistram]

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The birth record of baby Franciszek contains the DEATH record of his father Pawel.
1857 21 Franciszek Maluchnik Paweł Józefa Brzyzna Janowo Wólka Zdziwujska
DATE-of-BIRTH-Franciszek: /1/13/ March 1857, son of the late Pawel Maluchnik, died /2/14/ Aug 1856 , 50 y, and Jozefa nee Brzyzna 30 y.

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Aw ok, Thanks. Sorry, missed that before, that it was from the birth record.

One thing that I find odd is if Anton has to be born in 1856, I'm not 100% sure the age would be right. This is what I have from childrens birth records:

Vital records of birth Jan Maluchnik ,March 17 1888,father Antoni 40 years and mother Karolina nee Napałowska ,28 years ,village of Zembrzus (mean Anton's aprox year of birth is 1848)

Mary Maluchnik's birth: It did happen in posada Janowo, /28 October/9 November/ 1890 year, 1 pm. Appeared in Antoni Maluchnik, workman, 40 years, residing in the village Zembrzus (aprox year of birth 1850)

Jozefa Maluchnik's birth April /3/15/ 1895 year, 1 pm. Appeared in Antoni Maluchnik, carpenter, 45 years, (Anton's aprox year of birth 1850)

Joseph Maluchnik's birth: SUMMARY: DATE-of-ACT: /12/24/ - 24 November 1898, 1 pm, in Janowo FATHER: Antoni Maluchnik, carpenter, 53 years, (so Anton's aprox year of birth is 1845 way diff here).

Franciszek is born February 6/19, 1903 at 7 a.m. Father: Antoni Maluchnik (Anton Maljukhnik), 52 yo (somehow Antoni got younger 5 years later lol) this puts his aprox year of birth as 1851)

And the two death records aprox age:

Janow on 26 July/7 August, 1886, at 8:00 PM. Appeared Anton Maluchnik, worker, age 38, (so Anton's date of birth is 1848) Could it be possible for Anton's birth year to be consistently off by 6 years?

But, if that Anton isn't mine, then where is mine? All the others have been ruled out because of age or widow.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:20 pm      Post subject:
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Also, The only Anton Maluchnik born between 1848-1852 is ruled out as being mine as they died the very same year.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:44 pm      Post subject:
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I decided to check Mazowieki and Warsawizo-Mazowieki all Anton Maluchnik's born between 1840-1860 (very wide range) and see which ones I can rule out for sure as being mine.



1845 5 Antoni Maluchnik Jan Agnieszka Czernice Borowe He died the same year, not mine

1847 147 Antoni Maluchnik Wawrzyniec Elżbieta Lewandowska Krzynowłoga Wielka Gadomiec (he died the next year, not mine)


1849 1 Antoni Maluchnik Tomasz Marianna Zakrzewska Krzynowłoga Mała Kaki Mroczki (he died the same year, not mine)

1856 69 Antoni Maluchnik Augustyn Marianna Wiewiórska Krzynowłoga Wielka Krzynowłoga Wielka

1858 31 Antoni Maluchnik Tomasz Marianna Mierzejewska Krzynowłoga Mała Romany Sebory

Cannot find death or marriage records for the last two, so cannot rule those out either, tho I do still think Pawel Maluchnik is more likely the right one, based off all the other evidence I've posted.


Hopefully Pabian will come along and explain how he got Karolina's death record. I'd love to see the 1916 one for Anton to see if it could be mine.
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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:56 pm      Post subject:
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Your Karolina’s death record can be found at: http://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,detail,235118,59

Records from 1914-1936 can be found at: http://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,list,235048,1

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:25 pm      Post subject:
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Pabian, thank you! I'll have to see if I can find and have Anton's death cert translated then, since he died 1916 it should be there! May finally be able to confirm if it's mine
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http://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,detail,235129,2

Any chance for a translation? To rule out or confirm if is mine. There is writing on the side too. Unfortunately cannot make out any names. It should be the number 2 one, according to http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=D&w=14wm&rid=D&search_lastname=maluchnik&search_name=anton&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=1906&to_date= index
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:12 am      Post subject: Antoni Maluchnik death record from 1916
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It is on the page _026_zg.JPG , I am attaching it.

Zembrzus Nr 2
Dzialo sie w Janowie dnia 16 stycznia 1916, 4 pm. Stawili sie Walenty Borkowski, 50 lat, i Wladyslaw Motkowski 30 lat, godpodarze w Zembrzusie zamieszkali, i oswiadczyli, ze dnia wczorajszego 8 pm, umarl we wsi Zembrzus Antoni Maluchnik, wyrobnik 70 lat majacy, syn niegdy Pawla i Jozefy malzonkow Maluchnikow, urodzony w Wolce, w Zembrzusie zamieszkaly, ostawil po sobie zone Karoline z Napalowskich.

DATE-of-ACT: 16 Jan 1916, 4 pm
WITNESSES: Walenty Borkowski, 50 y, and Wladyslaw Motkowski 30 y, farmers residing in Zembrzus
DEATH: 15 Jan 1916, 8 pm, in Zembrzus, Antoni Maluchnik, 70 y, son of the late Pawel and Jozefa spouses Maluchnik, born in Wolka, residing in Zembrzus, leaving behind his wife Karolina nee Napalowska.

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It is your Maluchnik!

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M:07 Jul 1846___Pawel + Jozefa Pawel 35 y, Jozefa 22 y
B:1847?________Antoni______D:15 Jan 1916, 70 y
B:1849_________Marianna___D:25 Apr 1851, 2 y
B:14 Mar 1852__Józefa______D:06 Jan 1853, 1 y
B:21 Dec 1853__Adam_______D:19 Dec 1869, 15 y
B:13 Mar 1857__Franciszek
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Thank you so so much Elzbieta! So excited and happy to finally have that brick wall cracked! I have a lot of adding to my tree to do now!
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