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Post Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:00 pm      Post subject: Ferdinand August Eiswald
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I had this brother of Michael Eiswald’s (my great grandfather) Ferdinand August Eiswald’s Birth Record translated and found out his birth date and the year he was born was not what we expected. The records in America mostly showed his birth date was July 11, 1869. His marriage record showed the same thing and they shared same parents, Christian Eiswald and Karoline Wiese. It showed he was born in Obernessau, West Prussia. Surprise. The ship manifest said the same. The residence Zbaranie Russland is actually Barany, Poland. The family story reported that Ferdinand was Michael’s younger brother. From what I have seen I notice the Eiswald brothers used middle names named after their own brothers. So does this mean Michael have two brothers named August, b. 1863 and Ferdinand? If so, I really need help finding Ferdinand’s Birth Record to prove August and Ferdinand are not the same person. I already searched Registers of the Evangelical-Augsburg Parish in Ossówka and Registers of the Evangelical-Augsburg Parish in Lipno, however, I got stuck with Russian language. The research gets far too difficult to read. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance!

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCWJ-3FG?from=lynx1

Birth: http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1863&kt=1&plik=304-306.jpg#zoom=3&x=54&y=978



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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:50 am      Post subject: Re: Ferdinand August Eiswald
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Hello!

As seen od document Ferdinand August Eiswald was born in Obernesssau Which is today Mała Nieszawka Near Toruń.
Birth record for August indicates Gnojno Village.

So, basing on that Krystian and Karoline could move around at that time which is not weird at all.

The problem is i cannot locate records For Mała Nieszawka. It could belong directly to Toruń Parish

What a great treasure cementery in Gnojno with Eiswald names http://lapidaria.wikidot.com/cmentarz-ewangelicki-gnojno
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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:41 am      Post subject:
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An 1934 index lists Podgórz for both RC and Lutheran records.
I have also found this:

The cemetery of Mała Nieszawka
The cemetery is located in Mala Nieszawka on the highway 273, just east of the corner of Kręta road. It is still in use. In the eastern part of the cemetery are the new grave sites. Even here there are German names. The western part of the cemetery is fallow ​​grass land. Remains of old tombs can be found in the bushes on the southern fence of the western part of the cemetery. The cemetery was probably used by the inhabitants of the villages Kostbar (Kozibór) and Klein Nessau (Mała Nieszawka), which were partly Lutheran and partly Mennonites.
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Cemeteries/Cemetery_Distinct.php?id=593&type=recent&n_searchstring=&i_searchstring=&sortselect=one

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:46 am      Post subject:
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Rhonda,

I think that this may be the Ferdinand that you are looking for.

Birth of Ferdinand Eiswald, record #179, in June (?) 1868, in Gnojno, parish of Ossówka (Parafia Ewangelicko-Augsburskiej w Ossówce)
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1868&kt=1&plik=179-180.jpg#zoom=1&x=403&y=870

And, there was one more child born 2 years later.
Birth of Karl Eiswald, record #291, in December 1870, in Gnojno, parish of Ossówka (Parafia Ewangelicko-Augsburskiej w Ossówce)
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1870&kt=1&plik=290-291.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=133&y=2186

The 'trick' was in how they translated Eiswald into Cyrillic. In summary what they did was spelt it as Ajswald, which of course could be pronounced the same way as Eiswald.

No more children located in the next 10 years of birth records.

Hope that helps

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:05 am      Post subject:
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A couple more useful records…

Karl dies in February 1871, record #26
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1871&kt=3&plik=025-027.jpg#zoom=1&x=470&y=1653

And it looks the father Christian dies in June 1871 at what appears to me at age 46. And which explains why there are no more birth records.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1871&kt=3&plik=088-090.jpg#zoom=1&x=176&y=1615

Karolina marries again in 1872 to Peter (?) Meier, record #49
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1872&kt=2&plik=049.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=609&y=916

Another death in August (?) 1874 – Wilhelmina Eiswald, age 18
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1874&kt=3&plik=175-177.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=609&y=1543

Another Eiswald death in 1877. I can’t make out the given name or age at death.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1877&kt=3&plik=058-060.jpg#zoom=1&x=389&y=1650

In 1903 there is the death of Karl Auswald age 81, which could be a brother of Christian.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1903&kt=3&plik=187-189.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=315&y=1484

That should keep you busy Smile

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:36 am      Post subject:
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And finally, the death of Karolina Meier nee Wiese in late December 1903 (1904 record #2) at age 75:
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1904&kt=3&plik=001-003.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=103&y=1522

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:38 am      Post subject:
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PabianAus wrote:


Another Eiswald death in 1877. I can’t make out the given name or age at death.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1877&kt=3&plik=058-060.jpg#zoom=1&x=389&y=1650

Tom


Tom,

What about Emilia?

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:53 am      Post subject:
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Yes, agreed. Unless a Russian specialist says otherwise Wink

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:44 am      Post subject:
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PabianAus wrote:
Rhonda,

I think that this may be the Ferdinand that you are looking for.

Birth of Ferdinand Eiswald, record #179, in June (?) 1868, in Gnojno, parish of Ossówka (Parafia Ewangelicko-Augsburskiej w Ossówce)
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1868&kt=1&plik=179-180.jpg#zoom=1&x=403&y=870

And, there was one more child born 2 years later.
Birth of Karl Eiswald, record #291, in December 1870, in Gnojno, parish of Ossówka (Parafia Ewangelicko-Augsburskiej w Ossówce)
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1870&kt=1&plik=290-291.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=133&y=2186

The 'trick' was in how they translated Eiswald into Cyrillic. In summary what they did was spelt it as Ajswald, which of course could be pronounced the same way as Eiswald.

No more children located in the next 10 years of birth records.

Hope that helps

Tom



Yes! I am pretty happy with your finding! Will Ferdinand’s birth date July 11, 1868 be appropriate? Never knew Karl existed. That helps me a big time. Thank you for your help and tip.

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:54 am      Post subject:
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PabianAus wrote:
A couple more useful records…

Karl dies in February 1871, record #26
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1871&kt=3&plik=025-027.jpg#zoom=1&x=470&y=1653

And it looks the father Christian dies in June 1871 at what appears to me at age 46. And which explains why there are no more birth records.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1871&kt=3&plik=088-090.jpg#zoom=1&x=176&y=1615

Karolina marries again in 1872 to Peter (?) Meier, record #49
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1872&kt=2&plik=049.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=609&y=916

Another death in August (?) 1874 – Wilhelmina Eiswald, age 18
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1874&kt=3&plik=175-177.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=609&y=1543

Another Eiswald death in 1877. I can’t make out the given name or age at death.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1877&kt=3&plik=058-060.jpg#zoom=1&x=389&y=1650

In 1903 there is the death of Karl Auswald age 81, which could be a brother of Christian.
http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/metryka.php?ar=20&zs=0395d&sy=1903&kt=3&plik=187-189.jpg#zoom=1.25&x=315&y=1484

That should keep you busy Smile

Tom


Thank you for many useful informations! Any additional information to Karoline’s 2nd Marriage to Peter Meier like who were Peter’s parents. I am not sure if Peter was Karoline’s husband’s cousin. Thanks.

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Post Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:22 am      Post subject:
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Rellenbecker wrote:

Thank you for many useful informations! Any additional information to Karoline’s 2nd Marriage to Peter Meier like who were Peter’s parents. I am not sure if Peter was Karoline’s husband’s cousin. Thanks.


I think they are Michael and Anna, but I am relying on my self taught very basic Russian. Strongly suggest you post your records of interest to the "Russian records translations p.2" forum, here https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=3525 , for a more accurate translation, plus they might pick up some nuances in the text.

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