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Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:00 pm      Post subject: Re: Baptism of Marianna Krzywkowska 1759 in Myślin
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Please help me with the Latin words, especially regarding the descriptions of two sets of godparents "sum assistentes" in this Bieżun parish baptism of a daughter of my direct ancestors Łukasz Krzywkowski and his wife Rozalia. Noble Adam Święcicki may be described as a captain(?) followed by a word starting with a "P." The godmother Ewa Kucborska is described as a "Vexillitem (?)" or a flag bearer? of "Vothynia(?)" Any idea of what this word beginning with "V" means?

Adam Święcicki may be a brother of my ancestor Theodozya Święcicka Stawiski, wife of Stanisław Stawiski, in a record you previously translated for me. Their daughter Theodozya Stawiska [Jr.] would marry my ancestor Tomasz Krzywkowski, a son of Łukasz and Rozalia. There are many godparents and witnesses in these families in nearby parishes

Thank you,
Marilyn


9ber. Myslino.
9 die 9bris Ego Idem baptisavi puellam G[e]n[er]osorum Lucae Krzywkowski et Rosaliae Coniugum filiam cui n[ome]n dedi Marianna Eius Patrini M[agnifi]ci Adamus Swięcicki Cap[ita]neus Prussiae et Eva Kucborska Vexillifera Vołhyniae tum assistentes M[agnifi]ci Ioannes Kucborski Vexillifer Vołhyniae et Marianna Swięcicka Capitana.


9ber = November
Capitaneus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starosta
Vexillifer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chor%C4%85%C5%BCy
Volhynia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia
Prussia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussia

Polish forms:
Urodzony Łukasz Krzywkowski
Wielmożny Adam Święcicki starosta pruski
Wielmożna Ewa Kucborska chorążyna wołyńska
Wielmożny Jan Kucborski chorąży wołyński
Wielmożna Marianna Święcicka starościna

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:56 pm      Post subject: Re: Baptism of Marianna Krzywkowska 1759 in Myślin
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Stanislaw wrote:
mestanton wrote:
Please help me with the Latin words, especially regarding the descriptions of two sets of godparents "sum assistentes" in this Bieżun parish baptism of a daughter of my direct ancestors Łukasz Krzywkowski and his wife Rozalia. Noble Adam Święcicki may be described as a captain(?) followed by a word starting with a "P." The godmother Ewa Kucborska is described as a "Vexillitem (?)" or a flag bearer? of "Vothynia(?)" Any idea of what this word beginning with "V" means?

Adam Święcicki may be a brother of my ancestor Theodozya Święcicka Stawiski, wife of Stanisław Stawiski, in a record you previously translated for me. Their daughter Theodozya Stawiska [Jr.] would marry my ancestor Tomasz Krzywkowski, a son of Łukasz and Rozalia. There are many godparents and witnesses in these families in nearby parishes

Thank you,
Marilyn


9ber. Myslino.
9 die 9bris Ego Idem baptisavi puellam G[e]n[er]osorum Lucae Krzywkowski et Rosaliae Coniugum filiam cui n[ome]n dedi Marianna Eius Patrini M[agnifi]ci Adamus Swięcicki Cap[ita]neus Prussiae et Eva Kucborska Vexillifera Vołhyniae tum assistentes M[agnifi]ci Ioannes Kucborski Vexillifer Vołhyniae et Marianna Swięcicka Capitana.


9ber = November
Capitaneus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starosta
Vexillifer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chor%C4%85%C5%BCy
Volhynia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia
Prussia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussia

Polish forms:
Urodzony Łukasz Krzywkowski
Wielmożny Adam Święcicki starosta pruski
Wielmożna Ewa Kucborska chorążyna wołyńska
Wielmożny Jan Kucborski chorąży wołyński
Wielmożna Marianna Święcicka starościna


Stanisław,
Thank you for the very prompt response, the links, the Latin words, and the Polish forms. Now I know that Adam Święcicki was not a military captain but was a starosta or leader who administered the crown territory or district for Prussia. Jan Kucborski was a standard bearer for/from the region of Volynia, now part of the Ukraine.

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Post Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:27 pm      Post subject: Re: Baptism of Marianna Krzywkowska 1759 in Myślin
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Stanislaw wrote:
mestanton wrote:
Please help me with the Latin words, especially regarding the descriptions of two sets of godparents "sum assistentes" in this Bieżun parish baptism of a daughter of my direct ancestors Łukasz Krzywkowski and his wife Rozalia. Noble Adam Święcicki may be described as a captain(?) followed by a word starting with a "P." The godmother Ewa Kucborska is described as a "Vexillitem (?)" or a flag bearer? of "Vothynia(?)" Any idea of what this word beginning with "V" means?

Adam Święcicki may be a brother of my ancestor Theodozya Święcicka Stawiski, wife of Stanisław Stawiski, in a record you previously translated for me. Their daughter Theodozya Stawiska [Jr.] would marry my ancestor Tomasz Krzywkowski, a son of Łukasz and Rozalia. There are many godparents and witnesses in these families in nearby parishes

Thank you,
Marilyn


9ber. Myslino.
9 die 9bris Ego Idem baptisavi puellam G[e]n[er]osorum Lucae Krzywkowski et Rosaliae Coniugum filiam cui n[ome]n dedi Marianna Eius Patrini M[agnifi]ci Adamus Swięcicki Cap[ita]neus Prussiae et Eva Kucborska Vexillifera Vołhyniae tum assistentes M[agnifi]ci Ioannes Kucborski Vexillifer Vołhyniae et Marianna Swięcicka Capitana.


9ber = November
Capitaneus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starosta
Vexillifer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chor%C4%85%C5%BCy
Volhynia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia
Prussia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussia

Polish forms:
Urodzony Łukasz Krzywkowski
Wielmożny Adam Święcicki starosta pruski
Wielmożna Ewa Kucborska chorążyna wołyńska
Wielmożny Jan Kucborski chorąży wołyński
Wielmożna Marianna Święcicka starościna


Stanisław,
Thank you for the very prompt response, the links, the Latin words, and the Polish forms. Now I know that Adam Święcicki was not a military captain but was a starosta or leader who administered the crown territory or district for Prussia. Jan Kucborski was a standard bearer for/from the region of Volynia, now part of the Ukraine.

Marilyn


Hi Marilyn,

The conjunction “tum” (then/at that time) in this record is what I like to call a filler word. It is not really necessary but appears because in a sense the writer felt that another word should be added to the text. There is a weatherman on Channel 7 news in Chicago who likes to say things like “In the course of the afternoon showers will develop...” “The course of” is totally unnecessary whereas “In the afternoon” or “during the afternoon” would be better English style. There are times when “tum” is well used in Latin, but this is not one of them.

Technically there are no godparents—In church usage those commonly known as godparents are officially sponsors. Perhaps a bit of history will elucidate the matter. Obviously, in the early days of Christianity those being baptized were adult converts. The practice of infant baptism did not arise until later. (St. Augustine’s mother, Monica, was a devout Christian but he was not baptized as an infant, child, or teenager.) Anyway, an adult convert needed a sponsor to be baptized. It was sort of like a combo of a sponsor to get you into the club and a sponsor who acted as your mentor. Only one sponsor was (and still is) needed. With the rise of the practice of infant baptism the custom of having a male and a female sponsor for the child arose (hence the popular term “godparents”). While some Christian denominations use more than one set of “godparents”, the RC Church set the limit at one set. Others present for the baptism who were considered to have a position of honor (assistentes) were assisting/standing by. However, they were not “godparents.” One must keep in mind that prior to the middle of the 20th Century baptism of an infant took place soon after birth. Usually the only people present at the baptism were the child, the father, the sponsors/godparents, and the priest. Notice that the mother usually was not present for two reasons 1) Usually she was still recovering from having given birth, and, more importantly, 2) She didn’t go out in public until after the “churching” blessing had taken place. This was a carryover from Jewish practice where certain things rendered a person ritually unclean. I clearly remember the “churching” ritual from my grammar school days as an altar boy holding the container of holy water while the priest said the blessing. This ceremony usually took place around 40 days after the birth of the child. Anyway, sometimes—especially among the szlachta—other people were present for the baptism ceremony. In this record those “assistentes” were the spouses of the sponsors/godparents. It would seem that the priest thought that the spouses were too important to ignore so he gave them “honorable mention” in the record. However, they were definitely NOT a second set of sponsors/godparents.

During the days of the Commonwealth the territory of Volhynia corresponded to województwo wołyńskie (cf. attached crop of the Commonwealth in 1764).

If you want a translation of the text please let me know. Otherwise I’ll presume that you were able to produce a satisfactory translation on your own.

Wishing you enjoyment in your research,

Dave



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Post Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:19 am      Post subject: Re: Baptism of Marianna Krzywkowska 1759 in Myślin
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If you want a translation of the text please let me know. Otherwise I’ll presume that you were able to produce a satisfactory translation on your own.

Wishing you enjoyment in your research,

Dave[/quote]

Thank you, Dave, for the Latin translations of words, the use of baptism sponsors, and the map. I would like to have the records translated by you so that I am not missing any subtleties.

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mestanton wrote:
If you want a translation of the text please let me know. Otherwise I’ll presume that you were able to produce a satisfactory translation on your own.

Wishing you enjoyment in your research,

Dave


Thank you, Dave, for the Latin translations of words, the use of baptism sponsors, and the map. I would like to have the records translated by you so that I am not missing any subtleties.

Marilyn[/quote]

Hi Marilyn,

Here is the translation of the record. The notes are much longer than the actual entry.

Hoping this helps your research,

Dave

Top: November, Myslino

Body of Entry: On the 3rd * of November I, the same, baptized a girl, the daughter of the marriage of the well-born** Łukasz Krzywkowski and of Rozalia, to whom I gave the name Maryanna. Her sponsors/godparents were Adam Święcicki, Esq.***, starosta**** of Prussia and Ewa, the wife of the standard bearer (Polish: chorążyna) of Wołyń assisting/standing by at that time***** Jan Kucborski, Esq.***, the standard bearer of Wołyń, and Maryanna Święcicka, the wife of the starosta (of Prussia is understood)**** (Polish: starościna).

Notes: *Stamisław reads the entry as 9 die (on the 9th day). I disagree with that reading. I read it as 3tia (with die understood). By comparing the numeral which begins the entry with the way the priest wrote the numeral 9 (twice) for 9ber and 9bris the numerals are not the same. A close examination of the entry shows that the first letter after the numeral is t rather than d. (Compare the formation of the letter with the d which appears twice in dedi. 3tia is the standard shorthand for the ordinal number tertia (third) in its feminine form. Ordinal numbers are adjectives in Latin and here it is modifying die (understood), the Ablative of Time of dies, diei, day which in Post-Classical Latin can be either masculine or feminine.
**generosus/well-born (Polish: urodzony) was used to indicate a person who was the owner of at least one village.
***magnificus: magnificent/glorious/Esq./the honorable (Polish: wielmożny) was used for court officials. I picked Esq. But any of the other terms would also be an accurate rendering of the Latin.
****capitaneus: In Poland during the era of the Commonwealth it was the way starosta was rendered into Latin. Had the record come from a different country the meaning would have changed. Starosta can be rendered in English as an administrator. However, it is probably better to leave it in Polish. Keep in mind that starosta was pretty much an entry level position in the administrative hierarchy.
*****tum: then/at that time: the “filler conjunction”. I would either have omitted the conjunction or used atque (and also). Although ac and atque have the same meaning ac cannot be used before a word which begins with a vowel or the letter h and assistentes begins with a vowel. Those assistens had no formal role in the ceremony. In this record they accompanied their spouses, who were sponsors for the baptism.
General comment: for vexillifera and capitana (which actually should have been capitanea) I would recommend using the Polish versions rather than the English version.
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Top: November, Myslino

Body of Entry: On the 3rd * of November I, the same, baptized a girl, the daughter of the marriage of the well-born** Łukasz Krzywkowski and of Rozalia, to whom I gave the name Maryanna. Her sponsors/godparents were Adam Święcicki, Esq.***, starosta**** of Prussia and Ewa, the wife of the standard bearer (Polish: chorążyna) of Wołyń assisting/standing by at that time***** Jan Kucborski, Esq.***, the standard bearer of Wołyń, and Maryanna Święcicka, the wife of the starosta (of Prussia is understood)**** (Polish: starościna).

Notes: *Stamisław reads the entry as 9 die (on the 9th day). I disagree with that reading. I read it as 3tia (with die understood). By comparing the numeral which begins the entry with the way the priest wrote the numeral 9 (twice) for 9ber and 9bris the numerals are not the same. A close examination of the entry shows that the first letter after the numeral is t rather than d. (Compare the formation of the letter with the d which appears twice in dedi. 3tia is the standard shorthand for the ordinal number tertia (third) in its feminine form. Ordinal numbers are adjectives in Latin and here it is modifying die (understood), the Ablative of Time of dies, diei, day which in Post-Classical Latin can be either masculine or feminine.
**generosus/well-born (Polish: urodzony) was used to indicate a person who was the owner of at least one village.
***magnificus: magnificent/glorious/Esq./the honorable (Polish: wielmożny) was used for court officials. I picked Esq. But any of the other terms would also be an accurate rendering of the Latin.
****capitaneus: In Poland during the era of the Commonwealth it was the way starosta was rendered into Latin. Had the record come from a different country the meaning would have changed. Starosta can be rendered in English as an administrator. However, it is probably better to leave it in Polish. Keep in mind that starosta was pretty much an entry level position in the administrative hierarchy.
*****tum: then/at that time: the “filler conjunction”. I would either have omitted the conjunction or used atque (and also). Although ac and atque have the same meaning ac cannot be used before a word which begins with a vowel or the letter h and assistentes begins with a vowel. Those assistens had no formal role in the ceremony. In this record they accompanied their spouses, who were sponsors for the baptism.
General comment: for vexillifera and capitana (which actually should have been capitanea) I would recommend using the Polish versions rather than the English version.[/quote]

Thank you so much, Dave for the detailed translation and notes. I appreciate your insights and comments that help me learn about my heritage and the Latin and Polish languages.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:33 pm      Post subject: Assistance with birth records
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Hello -

Attached are birth records for two sisters. I don't need a full translation of the records, but would like to know the name and age of the children's mother. Thank you!

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:29 am      Post subject: Re: Assistance with birth records
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Attached are birth records for two sisters. I don't need a full translation of the records, but would like to know the name and age of the children's mother. Thank you!

Loufamtree


Hi,

These records are in Russian. Please post them in Russian Records Translations for a better response.

Wishing you success,

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Thanks - I re-submitted to the Russian section
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Hello Dave,

I have a Death record that I need some help in translating. As always, thank you for your assistance.



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Hello Dave,

I have a Death record that I need some help in translating. As always, thank you for your assistance.


Hi Mike,

There are three entries on the page. Yours is the third. Here it is. I hope it helps you.

Dave

Biechowo
Anno 1757 die 7ma Februarij mortuus est Antonius Domanski senex sacramentis munitus et sepultus ubi solent orare pauperes in ipso aditu Templi*.

Biechowo
Antoni Domanski, an old man, having been strengthened by the sacraments, died on the seventh day of February in the year 1757 and was buried where the poor/paupers are accustomed to pray in the very entrance of the Temple/Church*.

Note: Templum: Temple/Church: The priest used the word Templum for the physical building rather than the word ecclesia. This was very proper. The word ecclesia can and does mean “church” and is used for the physical structure. However, the primary meaning of ecclesia is the church in the sense of the people/congregation.
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Mrudnik wrote:
Hello Dave,

I have a Death record that I need some help in translating. As always, thank you for your assistance.


Hi Mike,

There are three entries on the page. Yours is the third. Here it is. I hope it helps you.

Dave

Biechowo
Anno 1757 die 7ma Februarij mortuus est Antonius Domanski senex sacramentis munitus et sepultus ubi solent orare pauperes in ipso aditu Templi*.

Biechowo
Antoni Domanski, an old man, having been strengthened by the sacraments, died on the seventh day of February in the year 1757 and was buried where the poor/paupers are accustomed to pray in the very entrance of the Temple/Church*.

Note: Templum: Temple/Church: The priest used the word Templum for the physical building rather than the word ecclesia. This was very proper. The word ecclesia can and does mean “church” and is used for the physical structure. However, the primary meaning of ecclesia is the church in the sense of the people/congregation.
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Thank You Dave.

As always you are a great help.

Mike



Mrudnik wrote:
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Mrudnik wrote:
Hello Dave,

I have a Death record that I need some help in translating. As always, thank you for your assistance.


Hi Mike,

There are three entries on the page. Yours is the third. Here it is. I hope it helps you.

Dave

Biechowo
Anno 1757 die 7ma Februarij mortuus est Antonius Domanski senex sacramentis munitus et sepultus ubi solent orare pauperes in ipso aditu Templi*.

Biechowo
Antoni Domanski, an old man, having been strengthened by the sacraments, died on the seventh day of February in the year 1757 and was buried where the poor/paupers are accustomed to pray in the very entrance of the Temple/Church*.

Note: Templum: Temple/Church: The priest used the word Templum for the physical building rather than the word ecclesia. This was very proper. The word ecclesia can and does mean “church” and is used for the physical structure. However, the primary meaning of ecclesia is the church in the sense of the people/congregation.
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Post Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:47 pm      Post subject: Re: Fishing out Latin
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dnowicki wrote:

In response to the Cwikla record I used the adage of giving a person a fish vs. teaching the person to fish. To give you another fish would do you a grave injustice by denying you the satisfaction which comes from a DIY translation as is described in the forum guidelines for translations. https://polishorigins.com/records-translations-guidelines/ Instead of the proverbial fish here is a fishing lesson.

No one expects you to be a solitary fisherman. Should you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Wishing you happy & successful fishing,

Dave


Is there a better genealogical Latin list out there on the web? For me the FamilySearch list (and others) has been repeatedly unhelpful and not just because of handwriting issues. It seems to be utterly missing basic terms, adjectives and abbreviations that we come across in our region's records.

My most recent failure is trying to decipher a death record which notes that the deceased died outside of the family parish while in the (presumably) Austrian/A-H army. Even the non-abbreviated words saying something about how the church/family was notified (I think) aren't coming to light with lists and G-translate.

At that, while causes of death aren't necessarily critical information in searches, I am also sorely missing that particular old Latin reference which is now a dead link.

Or should we just start our own master list somewhere?
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may28991 wrote:
This record, I think it is Latin and comes from St. Josef Church inTarnawiec, Poland.

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please put Your request here: https://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=1759
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