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Post Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:03 pm      Post subject: Lenart-Babicz in Zaluczne
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My Busia, Aniela (Angeline/Nellie) Lenart Depa, said she was born around Nowy Targ on Jan. 6, 1897 (I have reasons to wonder about the year). I had not nailed down the exact location when I started this thread. Her father was Klemens Lenart, and her mother was Magdalena Babicz. I now have seen pictures of their gravestones in the Odrowaz cemetery thanks to member babblingbrook. Through the incredible kindness of Shellie, Zenon, Krzysztof and other members of Polish Origins, I have learned a great deal. I now know that Klemens' mother's name was Regina Lenart, and her parents were Jozef Lenart and Anna Fitak. Jozef Lenart's parents were Augustyn Lenart and Kunegunda Jasien. Augustyn's father was also name Augustyn, and his mother was Katarzyna Biernat. Anna's parents' were Jan Fitak and Anna Lenart. Magdalena's parents were Jozef Babicz and Anna Szymusiak. Anna's father was Wojciech Szymusiak. Klemens and Magdalena married in 1893. It appears that they lived in Załuczne all their lives.

Aniela's parents and siblings stayed in Poland (with two brothers in France, which is the best of my current knowledge) and Aniela emigrated around 1913. She had 3 brothers and 6 sisters. I was told that she was the oldest. One brother married in France and I believe stayed there. On the Polish military photo forum, I wrote about another brother who was a POW during World War II, and ended up in France too. I've discovered that his name was Jan, and he was born July 22, 1911. I would like to learn more about her family.

A younger sister that she had never met until then, lived in Chicago for awhile in the late 70s/early 80s. I attended the wedding of her daughter there (and would love to turn back time and find out more through them).

The informant for Angeline Lenart Depa's death certificate was my aunt who only knew that my Busia was born in Poland. Twenty-seven dollars later I found out on her Social Security application that she was born in POLAND!

I have not pursued naturalization papers. Aneila married John Depa in Hammond Indiana in 1917. I have been under the impression that she would become a citizen when he became a citizen. That’s what I read, am I wrong about that? John Depa wasn't a citizen yet when they married. I don't have his naturalization papers either, but I know where he was from near Rzeszow, Poland (Swilzca or Kamyszyn) . I tried to check with the church where they were married to see if they had a record of where they were baptized in Poland (as suggested in Polish Roots). No luck there either. At the time they married, Lake County had detailed questions about their birthplaces and parents names. Once again, all I got was Poland for their birthplace.

I was told that Klemens made violins and coffins, I believe in addition to farming.

If anyone has any additional information about this family, I would love to hear from you. What I have learned means a great deal to me, and I feel so fortunate, but of course I have so many more questions. I am interested in collateral lines, I am interested in the history of this area. It's all interesting to me, and I would greatly appreciate learning more.


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Post Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:55 pm      Post subject: Re: Lenart-Babicz in Nowy Targ area
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My Busia, Aniela (Angeline/Nellie) Lenart Depa, said she was born around Nowy Targ on Jan. 6, 1897. I have not nailed down the exact location. Her father was Klemens Lenart, and her mother was Magdalena Babicz.

Cheri,
Welcome to Polish Origins! I’m glad you provided us with so much information about your family which makes helping you so much easier. And thank you for the beautiful picture of your great-grandparents Klemens and Magdalena (Babicz) Lenart. It seems that your Busia Aniela Lenart was from Zaluczne, a village in the district of Nowy Targ next to Odrowacz. An Aniela Lenart, age 17, left Bremen, Germany on Nov 6 on board of the Vessel ‘Rhein’. She was single, her occupation was day laborer at farms, her last residence was Zaluczne, her destination was Chicago. She was accompanied by another person, it says ‘Company: FM’ which I guess means ‘famliy member’. Here is the original text from the Bremen Passenger Departure Lists, 1904-1914:
Name: Aniela Lenart Gender: Female Age: 17 Event Date: 06 Nov 1913 Vessel: Rhein Company: FM Residence: Zaluczne, , Österreich Destination: Chicago, Il, U S A Marital Status: Single Occupation: Landw Tagelöhner Film Number: 1568604 Digital Folder Number: 4338895 Image Number: 00562. Source: www.FamilySearch.org, Germany, Bremen Passenger Departure Lists, 1904-1914 for Aniela Lenart, Film Number: 1568604 Digital Folder Number: 4338895 Image Number: 00562.

I couldn’t find the original ship manifest at Ellis Island, but will keep looking for it and what else I can find out for you.

As to the village of Zaluczne, Shellie set up a page for Zaluczne at http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewtopic.php?t=385 and Bill Rushin created a forum section specifically for Polish-Gorals – Highlanders with interesting information on the region your Busia came from: http://forum.polishorigins.com/viewforum.php?f=29
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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:34 am      Post subject: Re: Lenart-Babicz in Nowy Targ area
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Cheri,
when you are searching Ellis Island database by town/village only, you’ll get the following list of Zaluczne emigrants who entered the US through Ellis Island:
No., Name, residence, age, born, arrived
1 Babic, Stanislaw Zaluczne 28 1873 1901
2 Babicz, Karolina Zaluczne 22 1883 1905
3 Bielanska, Franciszek Zaluczne 4 1894 1898
4 Bielanska, Genowefa Zaluczne 6 1892 1898
5 Bielanska, Jozef Zaluczne 2 1896 1898
6 Bielanska, Jozefina Zaluczne 40 1869 1909
7 Bielanska, Rozalia Zaluczne 35 1863 1898
8 Bielanska, Zofia Zaluczne 3 1906 1909
9 Bielanski, Alojzi Zaluczne 39 1860 1899
10 Bielanski, Jacenty Zaluczne 16 1893 1909
11 Bielanski, Kazimir Zaluczne 8 1901 1909
12 Bilenski, Antoni Zaluczne 39 1874 1913
13 Bobek, Zan Zaluczne 18 1888 1906
14 Clebek, Agnes Zaluczne 30 1870 1900
15 Clebek, Kataezyne Zaluczne 1 1899 1900
16 Grela, Floryanna Zaluczne 0 1909 1909
17 Grela, Jan Zaluczne 4 1905 1909
18 Grela, Katarcyna Zaluczne 30 1879 1909
19 Grela, Rozalia Zaluczne 6 1903 1909
20 Jankouski, Maria Zaluczne 15 1894 1909
21 Jankouski, Rosa Zaluczne 10 1899 1909
22 Jasieic, Anna Zaluczne 47 1862 1909
23 Jasien, Anna Zaluczne 38 1873 1911
24 Jozef, Pabis Zaluczne 18 1887 1905
25 Kalecz, Agnesa Zaluczne 0 1900 1900
26 Kalecz, Maria Zaluczne 35 1865 1900
27 Kalez, Franz Zaluczne 25 1877 1902
28 Kocanda, Wojciech Zaluczne 17 1889 1906
29 Kolec, Tomasz Zaluczne 48 1859 1907
30 Koniczak, Stephan Zaluczne 18 1881 1899
31 Lenart, Maciej Zaluczne 35 1874 1909
32 Louart, Jan Zaluczne 18 1893 1911
33 Lowisz, Wojciech Zaluczne 45 1863 1908
34 Rafacz, Aniela Zaluczne 1 1908 1909
35 Rafacz, Fedrzej Zaluczne 35 1870 1905
36 Rafacz, Jan Zaluczne 19 1884 1903
37 Rafacz, Jan Kanty Zaluczne 18 1885 1903
38 Rafacz, Josef Zaluczne 23 1882 1905
39 Rafacz, Magda Zaluczne 34 1875 1909
40 Rafacz, Maks Zaluczne 17 1888 1905
41 Rebidacz, Andreas Zaluczne 30 1869 1899
42 Rofacz, Maciej Zaluczne 27 1886 1913
43 Schmergl, Ernestina Zaluczne 7 1904 1911
44 Schmergl, Heinrich Zaluczne 8 1903 1911
45 Schmergl, Jozef J. Zaluczne 37 1870 1907
46 Schmergl, Karolina Zaluczne 38 1873 1911
47 Schmergl, Malvina Zaluczne 6 1905 1911
48 Szal, Stanislaw Zaluczne 33 1875 1908
49 Szymusiak, Johann Zaluczne 32 1870 1902
50 Szynnisiak, Jozef Zaluczne 45 1866 1911
51 Wrzesien, Elzbieta Zaluczne 36 1868 1904
52 Wyttarci, Stanislaw Zaluczne 24 1879 1903
53 Zeglin, Jakob Zaluczne 30 1875 1905

There are two Babicz and two Lenart emigrants from Zaluczne: No. 1, Babic Stanislaw, No. 2, Babicz, Karolina, No. 31, Lenart, Maciej, and No. 32 Lenart, Jan (misspelled Louart, Jan):

Lenart, Jan (misspelled Louart, Jan) traveled to the US on board of the steamship ‘Kaiser Wilhelm II’ that left Bremen, Germany on May 30, 1911 and arrived in New York on May 30, 1911. He was 28 (or 18, hard to read) at the time, single, his occupation was farm laborer, his last permanent residence was Zaluczne, name and complete address of nearest relative or friend in country when alien came from was his mother Aniela Lenart in Gronkow. His destination in the US was Hastings, PA where he was going to join his father Wincenty Lenart.

Lenart, Maciej, traveled to the US on board of the steamship ‘President Grant’ that left Hamburg, Germany on Oct. 31, 1909 and arrived in New York on Nov. 11, 1909. He was 35 years old at the time, married, farm laborer, his last residence was with his wife Anna Lenart in Zaluczne, his destination in the US was Chicago where he was going to join his brother-in-law Jan Buron [?] at 681, 17th Street.

Babic, Stanislaw, traveled to the US on board of the SS ‘The Rhein’ that left Bremen, Germany on March 23, 1901 and arrived in New York on April 5, 1901. He was 28 years old at the time, married, laborer, his last residence was Zaluczne, his destination in the US was Mammoth, PA where he was going to join a cousin (name hard to read, looks like Simon Jashin).

Babicz, Karolina, traveled to the US on board of the SS ‘The Grosser Kurfurst’ that left Bremen, Germany on June 3, 1905 and arrived in New York on June 14, 1905. She was 22 years old at the time, single, her occupation was servant, her last residence was Zaluczne, her destination in the US was Chicago where she was going to join her sister Victoria Stafiera at 781, 17th Street.
See www.FamilySearch.org, United States Census, 1910:
Name: Victoria Stafira Birthplace: Austria Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Residence: Chicago Ward 11, Cook, Illinois Marital Status: Married Race : White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1896 Father's Birthplace: Austria Mother's Birthplace: Austria Family Number: 120 Page Number: 7 HouseholdGenderAge Victoria Stafira F 50y Joseph Stafira M 19y Aniola Stafira F 13y Wladislav Stafira M 11y Leon Stafira M 6y.

I’m sure there is more, but I’ve got to quit for now … Ute


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Hi Cheri,
Looks like you'll be busy for awhile with all of that great info from Ute! I think Ute might be right about your ancestral village. There are also a few hits on google for Klemens Lenart. Looks like a man named Klemens Lenart was part of the committee for building the chapel in Zaluczne in the 1930's. Here is a link to the Google Translation: http://tinyurl.com/Zal-Len

If you hold your cursor over his name on the webpage, you can see the original Polish text showing his name: Klemens Lenart.

Very exciting! There are several members here with roots in Zaluczne, so I expect that you'll get many replies to your message. You could wait on spending a lot of money right now on naturalization paperwork and see what info shakes out during conversations here at Polish Origins.

Since you know your grandmother had a younger sister in Chicago, try to focus some time on identifying/locating her family. Luckily, Chicago seems to be one of the few cities where one can find good genealogy info. What else do you know about the Chicago relatives? Once you find them, you might also find answers to many of your questions. It is amazing how much info some family members can have!

Do any of your family photos from Poland have writing on the back? Any letters survive?

By the way, Zaluczne is a relatively small village, so it might not be too too difficult to track down some info about Klemens!

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:54 am      Post subject: Re: Lenart-Babicz in Nowy Targ area
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I have not pursued naturalization papers. Aneila married John Depa in Hammond Indiana in 1917. I have been under the impression that she would become a citizen when he became a citizen. That’s what I read, am I wrong about that? John Depa wasn't a citizen yet when they married. I don't have his naturalization papers either, but I know where he was from near Rzeszow, Poland (Swilzca or Kamyszyn) . I tried to check with the church where they were married to see if they had a record of where they were baptized in Poland (as suggested in Polish Roots). No luck there either. At the time they married, Lake County had detailed questions about their birthplaces and parents names. Once again, all I got was Poland for their birthplace.

Cheri,
Look what I have found:
United States Census, 1930 for John Depa
Name: John Depa Event: Census Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Hammond, Lake, Indiana Gender: Male Age: 36 Marital Status: Married Race: White Birthplace: Poland Estimated Birth Year: 1894 Immigration Year: 1913 Relationship to Head of Household: Head Father's Birthplace: Poland Mother's Birthplace: Poland Enumeration District Number: 0145 Family Number: 132 Sheet Number and Letter: 7B Line Number: 62 NARA Publication: T626, roll 602 Film Number: 2340337 Digital Folder Number: 4584697 Image Number: 00577 HouseholdGenderAge John Depa M 36 Spouse Nellie Depa F 33 Child Minnie Depa F 11 Child Lillian Depa F 10 Child Stella Depa F 8 Child Bruno Depa M 5 Child Wanda Depa F 3 Child Berniece Depa F 2
Illinois, Northern District Naturalization Index, 1840-1950 for John Depa
Name: John Depa Event: Naturalization Event Place: Hammond, Indiana Event Date: 1933 Age: Birth Year: 1893 Birthplace: Poland NARA Publication Title: Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for U.S. District & Circuit Courts, Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950 NARA Publication Number: M1285 NARA Roll Number: 39 Film Number: 1432039 Digital Folder Number: 004640983 Image Number: 02944.
U.S. Social Security Death Index for John Depa Sr
First Name: John Middle Name: Last Name: Depa Sr Name Suffix: Birth Date: 22 June 1893 Social Security Number: 313-14-9484 Place of Issuance: Indiana Last Residence: Hammond, Lake, Indiana Zip Code of Last Residence: 46320 Death Date: October 1966 Estimated Age at Death: 73.
United States, World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 for John D Depa
Name: John D Depa Event: MILITARY Event Date: 1942 Event Place: Hammond, Lake, Indiana Residence: Hammond, Lake, Indiana Gender: Male Birth Date: 02 Aug 1883 Film Number: 2240780 Digital Folder Number: 4121002 Image Number: 00032.
I couldn't find a Jan Depa who immigrated to the US in 1913, as the 1930 Census indicates, but I found a Jan Depa who traveled to the US on board of the steamship ‘Main’ that left Bremen, Germany on Oct 28, 1905 and arrived in New York on Nov 12, 1905. He was 23 years old at the time, single, farm laborer, his last residence was Rzeszow, his destination in the US was Allgehany, PA where he was going to join his uncle Pjotr Lis.
He was accompanied by Depa Wojciech, who was 22 years old at the time (a brother, maybe?), single, farm laborer, same last residence and destination in the US.
I also found birth certificates for Stanislawa Depa, born 1921 in Chicago, Father's Name: John Depa, Mother's Name: Amela Lenard, and Eleanora Depa, born 1919 in Chicago, Father's Name: John Depa, Mother's Name: Nellie Lenart.

I'm not sure which records really relate to your family, but it's a start.
Ute



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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:16 am      Post subject: Lenart -Zaluczne & Depa-Swilcza Chicago & Hammond
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Bless you both! I am literally jumping up and down from the information you have given me. So, if my Busia was from Zaluczne, and it looks like the church there was completed in 1930, then her baptismal records would likely be at the Odrowaz church?

The departure information for Aniela Lenart from Zaluczne, is interesting. That would put her birth year at 1896. There was definitely some confusion about her age.

As for the John Depa information you have given me (thank you). The Columbia Ave. John Depa was not my grandfather, and my mom said they weren't related. My grandfather's niece, a Mista girl, ended up marrying this John Depa's son. Anyway, it can get very confusing because the unrelated John Depa lived in both Hammond and Chicago, and his wife was Aniela who then went by both Nellie and Angeline, as did my Busia. I'll have to take a closer look at that naturalization record you mentioned. I didn't think both Johns had the same birth year, but my Dziadzia's birthday was in June.

I can't thank you enough!
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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:30 pm      Post subject: Re: Lenart -Zaluczne & Depa-Swilcza Chicago & Hammon
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Cheri Vanden Berg wrote:

My aunt knew that her father Jan came to his sister and brother-in-law Thomas Mista's in Hammond when he arrived.

Cheri,
here's a little more info for you on the Thomas Mista family:
United States Census, 1930 for Thomas Mista
Name: Thomas Mista
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Hammond, Lake, Indiana
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Poland
Estimated Birth Year: 1888
Immigration Year: 1906
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Poland
Mother's Birthplace: Poland
Enumeration District Number: 0145
Family Number: 604
Sheet Number and Letter: 21A
Line Number: 39
NARA Publication: T626, roll 602
Film Number: 2340337
Digital Folder Number: 4584697
Image Number: 00604.

Thomas Mista M 42
Spouse Mary Mista F 40
Child Helen Mista F 17
Child Sophia Mista F 14
Child Walter Mista M 12
Child Monika Mista F 9
Child Joseph Mista M 7.

Germany, Bremen Passenger Departure Lists, 1904-1914 for Maria Lenart
Name: Maria Lenart
Gender: Female
Age: 15
Event Date: 02 Jul 1907
Vessel: Kronprinz Wilhelm
Company: NL
Residence: Zaluczne, Übriges Österreich
Destination: Chicago, Il, U S A
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Dienstmädchen
Film Number: 1568603
Digital Folder Number: 4338896
Image Number: 01463
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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:30 pm      Post subject: Lenart-Depa wedding
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Thank you again Ute. It would seem that since some Lenarts from Zaluczne emigrated to the Chicago area, that my Busia most likely had some relatives in the area after all, though we were told no other siblings emigrated (until the youngest sister I mentioned previously).
Thanks, Cheri


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Hi Cheri!
I am so excited for you! There are so many clues here! I wanted to share with you a story about siblings traveling to the US and birth dates. My grandmother's sister, who was the last surviving sibling told me that the only people from my family who came from Poland were her mother and 2 sisters - they all came to Pittsburgh. Imagine my surprise to find out later that a brother came over and lived in Chicago all of his life and another brother emigrated to Canada! I've now found the grandchildren of these brothers and they never knew their grandfather's had sisters in the US!

Now about birth dates. When my great-grandmother came to the US in 1912, she was only 17, but following year, when she applied for her marriage license, she said she was 20. She could not marry without parental permission if she was 17, so she fudged her age. But she must have been given bad advice, because when I found her marriage application, it also included a legal document showing that her uncle had to go to court to become her legal guardian (her parents remained in Poland) just to give his permission for her to marry! The church also had to send a letter that my gr-grandmother and her uncle were good members of the community! It seems like 21 must have been the correct age to marry without parental consent! That being said, I don't worry too much about birth dates.

I'll check what I have for Lenart births in Odrowaz. I think that the priest kept separate books for Zaluczne. There is a new priest at the church now. By new, I mean he replaced another priest who was there for about 20 years. I don't know whether he is new as in recently ordained. I know 2 people who have met him.... one of them is Zenon!

Zenon, what did you think of the new priest in Odrowaz? Did he speak English? Did you get the impression that he would respond to written requests for info?

Looks like we are starting to get enough people interested in Zaluczne that we'll have to plan a group trip!

Cheri, thanks for sharing your photos. This is a perfect place to post your family photos. Keep them coming - I love to see old photos!

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:49 pm      Post subject: Group trip to Poland
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Hi Shellie,
I love old pictures too. Most of the pictures didn't have anything written on them. I paid someone to translate the ones that did a number of years ago, but that wasn't much help. I'll have to dig those translations out again. I don't know anyone that had any correspondence from Poland besides my Busia, and if she kept anything, I don't think anyone hung on to it. Well, after my Busia died, my mom recieved a letter from one of her sisters in Poland, but she doesn't have it now.
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I LOVE this photo! Tell me, did your grandmother or her sisters have red hair?

Yes I think the lady in the middle looks rather young also - such a beautifully clear, unlined face!

Yes, dig out those translations from the photos. The info may mean something else to you now that you are actively researching your family. Very Happy

What year did your Busia pass away?
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My Busia died on the first day of Spring in 1980.

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:57 pm      Post subject: Zaluczne video clip
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Cheri and Shellie,
look what I've found -- a Zaluczne video clip at YouTube! You'll love it!
http://www.askbiography.com/video/3PXxg_nHZTk.html
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Ute! you are right, I do LOVE it. I noticed the film notes state:
This is Poland film was completed in October 1940 was used, among others fragments preserved in London and the pre-war Polish film chronicles the war (Poland `39, Narvik, chronicles of France, Battle of Britain)

I can't tell which scenes were filmed in Zaluczne, but it's so much fun to watch. Several scenes appear to be in areas much closer to, or even in Zakopane because the mountains appear very close in the background. Still I LOVE any old film like this.

I especially love the part where the women are scrubbing the steps and the old man is watching out the window, smoking his pipe! Thanks so much for sharing it with us!


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Ute,
Thanks for posting the video, it's great!


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