mcdonald0517PO Top Contributor & Patron
Joined: 27 May 2012
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:31 pm
I found an indexed record for Michaels death that has enough information to validate this is your ancestor. The image of the actual dear certificate was not available. But, you can order it Online from the Cook County Clerk office Once the offices are reopened - they are closed for COVID. Here is the link to order the certificate
Here is the text of the index
in the Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Michael Ciesielski
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Place: Poland
Death Date: 24 May 1927
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date: 27 May 1927
Burial Place: Hammond, Illinois
Cemetery Name: Holy Cross
Death Age: 37
Marital status: M
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name: Joseph Ciesielski
Father Birth Place: Poland
Mother Name: Anna
Mother Birth Place: Poland
Spouse Name: Frances Ciesielski
FHL Film Number: 1877970
Here is the link to the record on Family Search
Also, this information confirms that the link you have for the Find a grave Is correct.
Best from California,
dnowickiPO Top Contributor
Joined: 28 Dec 2011
Location: Michigan City, Indiana
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Michal Ciesielski - son of Jozef Ciesielski and Anna Kry
|alexho wrote: |
|I´m looking for information about Michal Ciesielski.
He was baptized in Dobrów
Great Poland in the year 1889
According to an email from my Polish family, he migrated to the United States. According to her information, he got married and they became one child. He died in a young age.
"Moja mama mówiła, że twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski i Michał Ciesielski (syn Józef Ciesielski i Anna Krygier) uciekli przed carskim poborem do wojska i Aleksander dostał się do Danii a Michał pojechał do USA do Chicago. Pracował tam w rzeźni i młodo zmarł na wyrostek robaczkowy. Miał żonę i małego synka, którzy zostali po jego śmierci. Wyjechał w tym czasie co Twój dziadek Aleksander Ciesielski. Więcej informacji moja mama nie zna".
From Find a Grave : https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/145082898/michael-ciesielski ( I'm not sure if it's the same person)
From Ellis Island : Ciesielski, Michal1913 Policzi, Russia Rotterdam(It could be him, but I'm not sure) Where is Policzi? My Michal is from Police Mostowe, Praksedow or Janow
I have tried if I could find something about his marriage but without success.
Best regards from Denmark
Hi Alex & Cynthia,
I believe that the Find A Grave memorial is for your Michał. The civil death records list his parents as Joseph & Anna and his wife as Frances. This matches the Burial Record from Holy Cross Cemetery in Calumet City. I know that the civil death record states that Holy Cross was in Hammond, Illinois but that can be easily explained. Calumet City was once kinown as Sobieski, Illinois and then as West Hammond, Illinois. The Cook County Marriage Index states that Michael married Frances Golden in 1921. The PGSA indexed his obituary and a copy can be obtained from the society for a fee. Here are links to records which almost certainly are for your Michael.
Holy Cross Burial Record: Holy Cross Cemetery; St. John Section Lot 576 Transferred from Section H Grave 457 on 10 September, 1929
Civil Death Record: Parents: Joseph Ciesielski & Anna; Spouse: Frances
Second Civil Death Record Index;Death: 24 May, 1927; Burial: 27 May, 1927 Holy Cross Cemetery; Parents: Joseph Ciesielski & Anna; Spouse: Frances
Cook County Civil Marriage Index; Date: 21 September 1921 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21J-68V1
Death Notice of Michał from Dziennik Chicagoski https://pgsa.org/people-death/157813/?surname=ciesielski&first_name=&type=wild-card&results-start=20
There is a 1910 Federal Census which could be your Michael. Although that record places him living at 8429 S. Buffalo in South Chicago and working in the steel mill (United States Steel South Works) whereas at the time of his death he was living on Sawyer Avenue there are several clues which indicate that it may be worthwhile exploring the possibility that the Census is for your Michael. Many men who lived in that area worked in the stock yards, which would square with what you were told about his occupation being a butcher. In my opinion, the first clue is that he was buried in Holy Cross Cemetery, which was the cemetery of choice for Poles from South Chicago. Someone who lived on Sawyer Avenue and had no connection to South Chicago would more likely have been buried in Resurrection Cemetery. The second clue is personal to me. I grew up in South Chicago and remember a Golden Family which belonged to St. Michael parish. One member of that family was one or two grades ahead of me in elementary school. The maiden name of his wife was Golden and as far as I remember there was only one extended family with that surname in South Chicago. Anyway, I believe it could be something worthwhile checking. Link to the Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RJ5-L9M?i=37&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMKCC-V13
During the time I was in high school during the early 1960s I had a summer job working at Holy Cross Cemetery. Michael’s burial record states that he was first buried in a grave in Section H and two years later was transferred to a lot in St. John Section. The graves in Section H were “term graves” which had a expiration date (25 years after the final burial there). Sometimes families transferred bodies from a term grave to a “perpetual care” grave. All the lots in St. John Section are perpetual care lots. Attached is a map of Holy Cross. Section H is along the fence line on the western edge of the cemetery and St. John Section is near the main cemetery entrance across from the cemetery office.
I hope that you find this information useful.
Wishing you continued success,
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:15 pm
Hi Cynthia. Thank you so much. It appears from his bitrh/batism record from Dobrów that he was born in 1889. I did not know whether the data (1890) from the other sources were right.
Best regards from Denmark
Last edited by alexho on Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:04 am; edited 1 time in total
Joined: 12 Mar 2011
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:19 pm
Thank you so much .