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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Would be so grateful for help on Great Grandparents
| Shannon207 wrote: | Thank you so much Barb! This all means the worlds to me! And others in my family too.  |
Now you'll be happy Shannon. I found the wedding record of Kazimierz and Kristina. They married November 14, 1882. No.59. Will translate it tomorrow.
https://ibb.co/wWCw8P7
-Barb
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 4:34 pm
Post subject: Would be so grateful for help on Great Grandparents
Your kidding!! You guys are amazing! Thank you a million times!!!
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:45 pm
Post subject: Would be so grateful for help on Great Grandparents
Hey Ladies!
I wanted to show you a page on Geni that the wonderful man Bob with the old book on ancestry sent me to. He mentioned it earlier and I missed it. There is no Veronika, but he said he notified them and showed them where to look to add her.
He's another of our group here that is turning out to be hitting all the right info.
https://www.geni.com/people/Kazimieras-Skrebut%C4%97nas/6000000078149942858
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:43 am
Post subject: Re: Would be so grateful for help on Great Grandparents
| Shannon207 wrote: | Hey Ladies!
I wanted to show you a page on Geni that the wonderful man Bob with the old book on ancestry sent me to. He mentioned it earlier and I missed it. There is no Veronika, but he said he notified them and showed them where to look to add her.
He's another of our group here that is turning out to be hitting all the right info.
https://www.geni.com/people/Kazimieras-Skrebut%C4%97nas/6000000078149942858 |
Hello,
This is fantastic news, Shannon. Just check and find those documents. I'm going to work now. We will continue working in the afternoon.
-Barb
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:15 pm
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No. 59
Date of the wedding: November 14th, 1882
The place of the wedding: parish Twerecz (lit. Tverečius)
Days of the three banns of marriage announced in the parish of Twerecz: October 24th , October 30th and 1st November
The groom: Kazimir Strebutan (lit. Skrebutėnas), a single man, 38 years old from Wilaki (lit. Vilėkos), a son of Kazimierz (lit.Kazimirus) and Krystyna (lit.Kristina) nee Saplis
The bride: Kristina Szymkus (lit. Šimkus), a miss, 38 years old from Lachowszczina, a daughter of Franciszek (lit.Franciscus) and Apolonia nee Sekan
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:26 pm
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| BarbOslo wrote: | No. 59
Date of the wedding: November 14th, 1882
The place of the wedding: parish Twerecz (lit. Tverečius)
Days of the three banns of marriage announced in the parish of Twerecz: October 24th , October 30th and 1st November
The groom: Kazimir Strebutan (lit. Skrebutėnas), a single man, 38 years old from Wilaki (lit. Vilėkos), a son of Kazimierz (lit.Kazimirus) and Krystyna (lit.Kristina) nee Saplis
The bride: Kristina Szymkus (lit. Šimkus), a miss, 38 years old from Lachowszczina, a daughter of Franciszek (lit.Franciscus) and Apolonia nee Sekan |
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*both Kazimierz and Kristina were born ab. 1844.
The birth record for Kazimierz is attached. He was born on February 18, 1845 in Wilaki (lit. Vilėkos) parish Twerecz (lit. Tverečius).
https://ibb.co/ryHyBDf
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:49 pm
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Thank you so much Barb!!
I can't believe how much my family has grown in just a couple of days!
I'll never forget your generosity!
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:21 am
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:54 am
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Thanks Monika!
I've been loving this site for a while. I've learned so much form it about the way names are written and many other things. But I had never seen this! I'll have to sort through and see what I can find
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:49 am
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Hello Everyone!
I wanted to post to let you guys know that I have been sorting through all the suggestions that you gave me at the beginning of this thread about Andrew. And to let you know that I had a wonderful visit with Andrew's Granddaughter Sandy and her husband. They spent a lot of time with him his whole life. She was so grateful and excited about knowing Veronica's past. She said as a child, she loved her dearly.
Info she remembered about Andrew was interesting. (of course memories that may or may not be valuable to my search.)
First, the brother on the passenger list that he was going to see in Ohio was real. She knew nothing about Ohio, but that the brother (Micolaj on passenger list) was a professor in St. Petersburg, Russia. So that makes me think that he was somewhat older than Andrew if Andrew came here at 19 years old. (born 1896 supposedly) And I was told that Andrew was sent to a school in St. Petersburg by another relative. So I guess that could mean some kind of education for younger men?
I don't know if there is some way to track professors at Universities in Russia at that time? I have not found a way yet.
She also said that Andrew said he was 50 miles form Berlin. That seems strange to me. He spoke Polish and Russian. So seems like that area would be German speaking maybe?
Of course his life span has many repeated border changes. But he definitely is Polish and Russian influenced.
Another thing that she said was that he said the family were 'Arisocrats'. Nobility line possibly?
When I researched nobility structure in Poland, I realized that there are many levels of family passed down nobility, all the way to not even owning land. So that made it more believable to me.
He said the family owned land with people working on it. I couldn't help but think of Veronica being listed as an agricultural day worker on her hamburg passenger list. It would be crazy if they already knew each other before America. But that is probably far fetched. But romantic I'm sure such a union as that would have been frowned upon in his homeland. But he was called a playboy and probably broke some rules
Haven't yet found any land ownership records to search.
I still remember him listing Wilno once in later years as a birthplace. Maybe he could have at least been there at some point near Veronica's home when it was Russian with more Polish than Lithuanian. Just keeping an open mind about everything
I've also done a lot of research about the origin of the last name. Seems to come from Sadowski originally. I'm sure you guys know this already.
Seems to be a locational last name at least at it's origin. Made me think of the passenger list that listed something like Sihowey as birth place or last residence. I found that interesting. So I'm keeping places like Sadowice and Sadowo in my mind. Also, his marriage license and another document had hand written corrections to his last name correcting it to Sadowski. Interesting.
Also trying to research the Lipniki Roman Catholic church records suggested earlier. Relating to Bol'shie Knyazikovcy,-Belarus were he gave as a birth place later.
Finally, I with end this long post with something fun and showing his Russian influence.
At his granddaughter's wedding, 1958, Andrew was center stage with everyone gathered around as he did the Kazotsky Kick dance. Also did it at a later birthday party close to 80 years old! I think he liked to have fun!
Any suggestions to how this little bit of info could help me would be appreciated as always.
Your forever friend, Shannon
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:14 am
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Hi Shannon,
Looking at Andrew's documents and the various versions of his name, I think his last name was Szadurski/Szadulski. In his passenger list, it is Szadulski. In his neutralization documents, it is Shadursky. I think that his surname could start with SZ, but maybe it was easier to pronounce it with S instead. The same thing with the letter R -> L.
If you look at the surnames that appeared in today's Lithuania and Belarus you will find some records for Szadurski, but very little for Szadulski. https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=23lt&rid=B&search_lastname=szadurski&search_name=&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&exac=1
I think that Sadowski sounds too different from Sadulski/Szadulski...
According to Andrew's passenger list, Mikołaj lived in Amherst, Ohio. I didn't find any trace of him in this area. Sophia has found some documents for Nicholas Frederic Sadulski in Connecticut (posted in April). This Nicholas was born in 1888 (one document says it was in Vilno). He was married to Catherine Suzik, but I can't find the marriage record. Maybe you could do a little research on him.
Were you able to check records from Lipniszki parish for Szadulski/Szadurski surname?
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Monika
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:54 am
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Thank you for these suggestions on the last name. I have been kinda floundering trying to focus on what could be the correct spelling. But this variation I have not considered much.
I have also found no Mikołaj in Ohio. But I have kept the suggestion for Nicholas in Connecticut.
I guess I've struggled with not being able to connect Andrew or a Theodor, or a Nowak (parents) to verify things.
But I guess I'm working backwards, and should focus on finding a Mikołaj connection since that is in the US.
I have not looked at the Lipniszki parish records yet, but am going to try to do that today with a last name closer to what you suggest.
Thank you very much. Each suggestion helps me focus and sort through all the searching ideas!
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:35 pm
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Hello Everyone,
I've been researching the Nick in Connecticut extensively. Including his wife. But am not finding any real connection to Andrew or similar parents names. And I couldn't find a ship list for him. And no connection to Ohio.
But, I was wondering what you guys thought about this passenger list.
I've added the images for the passenger list, along with Andrew's for comparison, and info breakdowns. So you wouldn't have to search through this post. Andrew is line 18 and Nick is line 13. No 2nd page for him.
There's also another smaller document that shows more clearly the info on Nicks list. I don't know what this document is.
The last name is far off, but when compared to the name of brother on Andrews Passenger list, not so far.
He is going to Cleveland also. He is probably 8-10 years older than what Andrew might be and lists Wilna as a last residence. 1906 arrival. Going to see a friend called Wasili Ribka.
I did a quick search of Rybka just for the fun of it and did find a male child with no first name listed with parents of Rybka and Nowak born in Poland. Nowak is suppose to be Andrew's Mothers last name. I've included that screenshot. I know this means nothing, but was interesting to add to the many ideas. Maybe a relative of Andrew's Mom.
Anyway, would love your thoughts. Don't feel bad if you think it is unlikely
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:38 pm
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Oops!
Need a second post for that number of documents.
And they didn't load in order I expected. Sorry about that.
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