Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:19 am
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I was baptized at Holy Trinity and am well aware of the one block long Fry street. With the 1880 map, now another can of worms has opened. The only way someone, according to the map, could live on the 600 block of Fay would be that the City of Chicago's numbering system at the time wasn't based on State and Madison being ground zero. Noble street is 1400 west, even going east to where Front street appears doesn't cross Halsted which is 800 west. Many of the street names on that map no longer exist in the area, Cornell for example is a north-south on the far south side now.
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sheep17PO Top Contributor & Patron
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:44 pm
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Yes, Chicago steet numbering did change in 1907/1909. That's when the streets began to be numbered from State and Madison.
Prior to that time the numbering was somehow based on the Chicago River, according
to Chicago history. So even if my ancestors
didn't move, their house number changed, and some street names changed also.
sheep17
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:49 am
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If any one was following Valerie, Bill and my posts about the neighborhood around FAY ST and St. John Cantius church it has been moved to "Where did our Polish ancestors live after immigration?" Since we are getting a mixture of messages now that are a little off topic for the "Back of the Yards" forum, Bill suggested to start a new thread and to transfer all comments that are off topic for the Back of Yards into this new thread.
So Ute has started a new thread on where our Polish ancestors lived after immigration to the United States, which parish they attended, and what their life and that of their children was like back then. Thanks Ute (Ute, messages were moved but it bumped your intro msg to the bottom of the list. That is why I posted this FYI here also).
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:18 pm
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Ute, I found another map, this one is dated 1910. It shows Fay St. being 2 blocks long crossing over at Bismark Place. And notice that Fry St. is 4 blocks in length. Bill
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:03 am
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| Bill Rushin wrote: | | Ute, I found another map, this one is dated 1910. It shows Fay St. being 2 blocks long crossing over at Bismark Place. And notice that Fry St. is 4 blocks in length. Bill |
Thank you, Bill! Also very interesting! One can see the blocks even better than in the 1920 map. So my grandparents lived in one of these two blocks in 1914.
In June 1913 when their second child, Helena, was born, they lived at 1400, West Superior St. I'll check the map again to see where exactly that was. I don't know where they lived prior to that. I just know that they were married on August 6, 1912 at St. John Cantius Church, 825, N. Carpenter Street, and that their two children Helena and Antonina Wiktorya were baptized at St. John Cantius church in 1913 and 1914.
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Bill RushinPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:21 am
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| Ute wrote: | I found for them was 1400, West Superior St, that's where they lived in June 1913 when their second child, Helena, was born. I'll check the map again to see where exactly that was. From Helena's baptism record I know that they attended St. John Cantius church at the time.
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Ute, W. Superior is the next block N. of Fay St. It looks like they built an apt. bldg. (facing west to east) at the northern side, dead end of Fay. Yes I just checked, go look at your purple map, Superior is clearly marked. Bill
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:28 am
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| Bill Rushin wrote: | | Ute wrote: | I found for them was 1400, West Superior St, that's where they lived in June 1913 when their second child, Helena, was born. I'll check the map again to see where exactly that was. From Helena's baptism record I know that they attended St. John Cantius church at the time.
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Ute, W. Superior is the next block N. of Fay St. It looks like they built an apt. bldg. (facing west to east) at the northern side, dead end of Fay. Yes I just checked, go look at your purple map, Superior is clearly marked. Bill |
Thanks, Bill, that was quick! I'll check that a little later when I have more time!
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:43 am
Post subject: N. Carpenter - W. Superior - Fay St., Chicago in the 1910s
My grandmother's sister Anna lived at 656, N. Carpenter St., very close to St. John Cantius Church which is at 825, N. Carpenter Street. Perhaps the two sisters and their families lived together at 656, N. Carpenter St., before my grandparents moved to W. Superior and then on to Fay Street.
I just noticed when I checked my files that some of my grandfather's cousins, the Bryjaks, also attended St. John Cantius church and lived in the same neighborhood at the time. Wow -- that's getting interesting ... I'll have to check that out further and look for their addresses later when I have more time.
Don't put your maps aside yet, Bill 
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:34 pm
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Well, here's a funny family story that a cousin of mine wrote down many years back. It may give you a smile.
In the 1920s my grandfather went into business for himself. He bought a horse and wagon and began a roofing company in Chicago. The business prospered and soon he was able to buy better equipment and another horse. It was a good strong horse that was from an old fire wagon, but it was a little strange in its habits. Whenever a firebell would sound, the horse would change its destination and follow the fire wagon. My grandfather was not amused -- especially when he was on his way to a job ....
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:33 pm
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Hi, all
My grandfather's brother moved to the USA from Brazil, in 1923 (previously from Poland, in 1890). The picture below is one of the addresse where they lived in Chicago: 2738 N Hamlin Ave. This picure was taken years ago from the CookCountyAssessor mentioned above.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 11:34 pm
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| Magroski49 wrote: | Hi, all
My grandfather's brother moved to the USA from Brazil, in 1923 (previously from Poland, in 1890). The picture below is one of the addresse where they lived in Chicago: 2738 N Hamlin Ave. This picure was taken years ago from the CookCountyAssessor mentioned above.
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Gilberto,
Thanks for sharing the picture. According to the map, this was pretty far north of the neighborhood around St. John Cantius Church (A) that we discussed above.
I'm still in the process of learning where our ancestors lived -- was N Hamlin Ave a Polish or a mixed neighborhood? One of my Aunts lived in the Fulleron area until some years back.
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:26 am
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Thank you, Vicki. An interesting article! I found a picture of the Zielinski Tavern in the Back of the Yards in the late 1920s or early 1930s in the article and posted it in the Back of the Yards section The picture says "Walter's Tavern", 1147, W 47th St."
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/11633.html
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:07 am
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[/quote] I'm still in the process of learning where our ancestors lived -- was N Hamlin Ave a Polish or a mixed neighborhood? One of my Aunts lived in the Fulleron area until some years back.[/quote]
Ute,
I did that search many years ago and I don't remember to have seen additional info on the neighborhood. I am sorry I cannot help you.
Gilberto
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 6:15 pm
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Sorry all of you Chicago fans, but I must bring you back to the east coast for my family 
In February,1909 , my great grandmother , Julia Cybulska, came to Ellis island with my grandfather, Franciszek age 4, and his older brother Antoni, age 6, and met her husband, Antoni, (who had been in the USA since 1905,) and was living at 29 North Oxford st., Brooklyn, N.Y.
Antoni (sr.) was working as a Wagon washer for a bakery.
This area of Brooklyn was called " Fort Greene ", and had a very large Polish population at the time.
North Oxford dead ended at Flushing Ave. to its north, and was not very far from the Brooklyn Bridge, and the U.S.Navy Yard.
If anyone has any information on this area, I would very much enjoy reading it.
James
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