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Hello! When you say 33. Does that mean scan 33? I know sometimes I’ve seen No. 33 (like line 33). I’ve also seen scan 33. Etc
Again, thanks for everything! I’ll try to ask small clarifying questions
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:22 am
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Act no. 33. Scan no. 124.
-Barb
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[quote="Dklepas"] | dnowicki wrote: | | Dklepas wrote: | Hello Trish and Dave,
Thanks again. I can't even quote everything you posted that I want to thank you for. All the information you provided has been super helpful. Your information about our last name very helpful. The pronunciations how to read translations on Geneteka, I am extremely grateful for. I even met someone who speaks polish and she pronounced the C as TS in Klepacki...she made mentioned of a fly swatter? Or two fly swatters in regards to the pronunciation of Klepacki? I didn't probe any more about it
I knew my 2 great grandparents names on my dad's paternal side and 0 of anyone else.
I now know Kamila's siblings, her birthplace, Herman's siblings and I know all 4 of my great, great grandparents and 4/8 of my great, great, great grandparents all thanks to your help!
Just confirming this is the Rybaki? (highlighted in yellow. I zoomed out a bit just to get into relation of Bialystok where we were always told Herman was from which Rybaki would make perfect sense to list a near by bigger city)
Thanks again! |
You are only providing me joy, Dave. I haven’t hit my wall yet in reguards to research but searching untranslated websites would be very time consuming for me. So all this information from polish records using polish language websites I would not be finding without your and Barb and Sophia’s generosity. Not that I don’t want to learn how to navigate those but just from a time perspective and where I’m at… maybe in my later years! What great memories for you to have and share. I enjoyed very much reading them
The story about Herman was he was fleeing Russian army conscription for lack of better term. Like the fly swatter story i retold I try to listen and learn and I know not everything is not factual
Question about Paulina and Dorotha. Do you have their marriage records? Also is there a reason that in someone else’s link to Piotri’s death it listed his children but I don’t think it listed Paulina and Dorothy were listed? Not sure if that’s common? I’m putting together some printouts is the reason I ask. Do not feel obligated (you or anyone) to do more research but thought it was worth an ask about Paulina and Dorotha.
Thanks again!
*edit in reguards to Paulina and Dorotha I think we are throwing around so many adamski’s and adamska’s and urszula’s that I am confusing myself. But it appears Paulina and Dorotha are actually Kamila’s siblings as someone pointed out previously. I’m getting better at following (I think!) |
Hi Dklepas,
To answer your questions…
Paulina & Dorota were the daughters of Jan & Konstancja and thus were Heronim/Herman’s sisters. No, I did not save the records but now I’ve looked them up and attached them. Akt # 48 is Paulina's & the other is Dorota's. They are in Russian Cyrillic script. The pic of the church is the structure built in 1905-1910.
Parishes are titled according to the village, town or city where they are located. Parish churches, however, usually are known according to the title of their Patron Saint. The parish of your ancestors is Dobrzyniewo Kościelne (its location). The title of the Parish Church in terms of the Patron Saint is Zwiastowania NMP (Annunciation of the BVM). The current church structure was built in 1905-1910 to replace an earlier structure so in the records discovered so far the events did not take place in the current church building. However, it is a safe assumption that some of Heronim/Herman’s siblings remained in the parish after 1910 so they would have been familiar with the current church building.
Regarding the edit in your last post...Are you entering the data into a genealogy family tree program? If not, doing so should help to keep individuals straight. Some people kept family sheets in a physical binder or folder but in this digital age computer programs make the process much simpler. Of course, one also could print sheets from a genealogy program to generate a physical copy. Armchair genealogy research is very much the new kid on the block in terms of genealogical research. Online records from archives in Poland haven’t been available all that long in human terms. In computer terms, however, they have. Family Search, run by the LDS Church, has provided a great service by filming records. Prior to about 2012 or so the only way to view those records was to rent a microfilm and view it at a LDS Family History Center. The way the process worked for the filming of records was Family Search entered into a contract with the holder of records and sent a volunteer to do the actual filming and then since 2012 digitized the records. Of course, many organizations did not want their records filmed. There are tons of extant records which have not been filmed and thus are unavailable for armchair research. Armchair research has the great advantage of easy access but, in my opinion, can become a scattershot approach and result in an abundance of unorganized data unless properly entered into some form of a family file.
As far as waiting for old age to do serious research keep in mind what often appeared on grandfather clocks—“Tempus fugit”. There is a second part to that ancient Roman phrase—“Nunc est celeritate.” Put together the saying is translated into English as “Time flies; Now is the time for swiftness”. A wise individual is cognizant of the fact that the future is promised to no one so as the Roman poet Horace wrote “Carpe diem!” (Seize the day!).
The story about Heronim/Herman leaving Europe to avoid conscription could very likely be true. Many young men took that route. There never was much of a future being canon fodder for the Czar. Local quotas were set and the unlucky individuals were selected by a sort of lottery. In order to leave the Russian Empire legally men of military age needed to produce evidence of completion of military or of exemption. Some men used another man’s papers and others bought forged papers and others hired “guides” to get them across the border while avoiding border checkpoints. Those seeking entry to the USA at the southern border could certainly relate. Those who left the Russian Empire over a century ago could certainly empathize with migrants seeking to enter the USA.
Anyway, as Forrest Gump liked to say “That is all I have to say about that.”
Vale! (Farewell)
Dave
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:25 am
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[quote="dnowicki"] | Dklepas wrote: | | dnowicki wrote: | | Dklepas wrote: | Hello Trish and Dave,
Thanks again. I can't even quote everything you posted that I want to thank you for. All the information you provided has been super helpful. Your information about our last name very helpful. The pronunciations how to read translations on Geneteka, I am extremely grateful for. I even met someone who speaks polish and she pronounced the C as TS in Klepacki...she made mentioned of a fly swatter? Or two fly swatters in regards to the pronunciation of Klepacki? I didn't probe any more about it
I knew my 2 great grandparents names on my dad's paternal side and 0 of anyone else.
I now know Kamila's siblings, her birthplace, Herman's siblings and I know all 4 of my great, great grandparents and 4/8 of my great, great, great grandparents all thanks to your help!
Just confirming this is the Rybaki? (highlighted in yellow. I zoomed out a bit just to get into relation of Bialystok where we were always told Herman was from which Rybaki would make perfect sense to list a near by bigger city)
Thanks again! |
You are only providing me joy, Dave. I haven’t hit my wall yet in reguards to research but searching untranslated websites would be very time consuming for me. So all this information from polish records using polish language websites I would not be finding without your and Barb and Sophia’s generosity. Not that I don’t want to learn how to navigate those but just from a time perspective and where I’m at… maybe in my later years! What great memories for you to have and share. I enjoyed very much reading them
The story about Herman was he was fleeing Russian army conscription for lack of better term. Like the fly swatter story i retold I try to listen and learn and I know not everything is not factual
Question about Paulina and Dorotha. Do you have their marriage records? Also is there a reason that in someone else’s link to Piotri’s death it listed his children but I don’t think it listed Paulina and Dorothy were listed? Not sure if that’s common? I’m putting together some printouts is the reason I ask. Do not feel obligated (you or anyone) to do more research but thought it was worth an ask about Paulina and Dorotha.
Thanks again!
*edit in reguards to Paulina and Dorotha I think we are throwing around so many adamski’s and adamska’s and urszula’s that I am confusing myself. But it appears Paulina and Dorotha are actually Kamila’s siblings as someone pointed out previously. I’m getting better at following (I think!) |
Hi Dklepas,
To answer your questions…
Paulina & Dorota were the daughters of Jan & Konstancja and thus were Kamila’s sisters. No, I did not save the records but now I’ve looked them up and attached them. Akt # 48 is Paulina's & the other is Dorota's. They are in Russian Cyrillic script. The pic of the church is the structure built in 1905-1910.
Parishes are titled according to the village, town or city where they are located. Parish churches, however, usually are known according to the title of their Patron Saint. The parish of your ancestors is Dobrzyniewo Kościelne (its location). The title of the Parish Church in terms of the Patron Saint is Zwiastowania NMP (Annunciation of the BVM). The current church structure was built in 1905-1910 to replace an earlier structure so in the records discovered so far the events did not take place in the current church building. However, it is a safe assumption that some of Heronim/Herman’s siblings remained in the parish after 1910 so they would have been familiar with the current church building.
Regarding the edit in your last post...Are you entering the data into a genealogy family tree program? If not, doing so should help to keep individuals straight. Some people kept family sheets in a physical binder or folder but in this digital age computer programs make the process much simpler. Of course, one also could print sheets from a genealogy program to generate a physical copy. Armchair genealogy research is very much the new kid on the block in terms of genealogical research. Online records from archives in Poland haven’t been available all that long in human terms. In computer terms, however, they have. Family Search, run by the LDS Church, has provided a great service by filming records. Prior to about 2012 or so the only way to view those records was to rent a microfilm and view it at a LDS Family History Center. The way the process worked for the filming of records was Family Search entered into a contract with the holder of records and sent a volunteer to do the actual filming and then since 2012 digitized the records. Of course, many organizations did not want their records filmed. There are tons of extant records which have not been filmed and thus are unavailable for armchair research. Armchair research has the great advantage of easy access but, in my opinion, can become a scattershot approach and result in an abundance of unorganized data unless properly entered into some form of a family file.
As far as waiting for old age to do serious research keep in mind what often appeared on grandfather clocks—“Tempus fugit”. There is a second part to that ancient Roman phrase—“Nunc est celeritate.” Put together the saying is translated into English as “Time flies; Now is the time for swiftness”. A wise individual is cognizant of the fact that the future is promised to no one so as the Roman poet Horace wrote “Carpe diem!” (Seize the day!).
The story about Heronim/Herman leaving Europe to avoid conscription could very likely be true. Many young men took that route. There never was much of a future being canon fodder for the Czar. Local quotas were set and the unlucky individuals were selected by a sort of lottery. In order to leave the Russian Empire legally men of military age needed to produce evidence of completion of military or of exemption. Some men used another man’s papers and others bought forged papers and others hired “guides” to get them across the border while avoiding border checkpoints. Those seeking entry to the USA at the southern border could certainly relate. Those who left the Russian Empire over a century ago could certainly empathize with migrants seeking to enter the USA.
Anyway, as Forrest Gump liked to say “That is all I have to say about that.”
Vale! (Farewell)
Dave |
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I cannot believe how much information you have uncovered! Thank you for all the clarifications and kindness in your responses and research. I’m excited to share this information with my dads side of the family!
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:20 pm
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[quote="dnowicki"] | Dklepas wrote: | | dnowicki wrote: | | Dklepas wrote: | Hello Trish and Dave,
Thanks again. I can't even quote everything you posted that I want to thank you for. All the information you provided has been super helpful. Your information about our last name very helpful. The pronunciations how to read translations on Geneteka, I am extremely grateful for. I even met someone who speaks polish and she pronounced the C as TS in Klepacki...she made mentioned of a fly swatter? Or two fly swatters in regards to the pronunciation of Klepacki? I didn't probe any more about it
I knew my 2 great grandparents names on my dad's paternal side and 0 of anyone else.
I now know Kamila's siblings, her birthplace, Herman's siblings and I know all 4 of my great, great grandparents and 4/8 of my great, great, great grandparents all thanks to your help!
Just confirming this is the Rybaki? (highlighted in yellow. I zoomed out a bit just to get into relation of Bialystok where we were always told Herman was from which Rybaki would make perfect sense to list a near by bigger city)
Thanks again! |
You are only providing me joy, Dave. I haven’t hit my wall yet in reguards to research but searching untranslated websites would be very time consuming for me. So all this information from polish records using polish language websites I would not be finding without your and Barb and Sophia’s generosity. Not that I don’t want to learn how to navigate those but just from a time perspective and where I’m at… maybe in my later years! What great memories for you to have and share. I enjoyed very much reading them
The story about Herman was he was fleeing Russian army conscription for lack of better term. Like the fly swatter story i retold I try to listen and learn and I know not everything is not factual
Question about Paulina and Dorotha. Do you have their marriage records? Also is there a reason that in someone else’s link to Piotri’s death it listed his children but I don’t think it listed Paulina and Dorothy were listed? Not sure if that’s common? I’m putting together some printouts is the reason I ask. Do not feel obligated (you or anyone) to do more research but thought it was worth an ask about Paulina and Dorotha.
Thanks again!
*edit in reguards to Paulina and Dorotha I think we are throwing around so many adamski’s and adamska’s and urszula’s that I am confusing myself. But it appears Paulina and Dorotha are actually Kamila’s siblings as someone pointed out previously. I’m getting better at following (I think!) |
Hi Dklepas,
To answer your questions…
Paulina & Dorota were the daughters of Jan & Konstancja and thus were Heronim/Herman’s sisters. No, I did not save the records but now I’ve looked them up and attached them. Akt # 48 is Paulina's & the other is Dorota's. They are in Russian Cyrillic script. The pic of the church is the structure built in 1905-1910.
Parishes are titled according to the village, town or city where they are located. Parish churches, however, usually are known according to the title of their Patron Saint. The parish of your ancestors is Dobrzyniewo Kościelne (its location). The title of the Parish Church in terms of the Patron Saint is Zwiastowania NMP (Annunciation of the BVM). The current church structure was built in 1905-1910 to replace an earlier structure so in the records discovered so far the events did not take place in the current church building. However, it is a safe assumption that some of Heronim/Herman’s siblings remained in the parish after 1910 so they would have been familiar with the current church building.
Regarding the edit in your last post...Are you entering the data into a genealogy family tree program? If not, doing so should help to keep individuals straight. Some people kept family sheets in a physical binder or folder but in this digital age computer programs make the process much simpler. Of course, one also could print sheets from a genealogy program to generate a physical copy. Armchair genealogy research is very much the new kid on the block in terms of genealogical research. Online records from archives in Poland haven’t been available all that long in human terms. In computer terms, however, they have. Family Search, run by the LDS Church, has provided a great service by filming records. Prior to about 2012 or so the only way to view those records was to rent a microfilm and view it at a LDS Family History Center. The way the process worked for the filming of records was Family Search entered into a contract with the holder of records and sent a volunteer to do the actual filming and then since 2012 digitized the records. Of course, many organizations did not want their records filmed. There are tons of extant records which have not been filmed and thus are unavailable for armchair research. Armchair research has the great advantage of easy access but, in my opinion, can become a scattershot approach and result in an abundance of unorganized data unless properly entered into some form of a family file.
As far as waiting for old age to do serious research keep in mind what often appeared on grandfather clocks—“Tempus fugit”. There is a second part to that ancient Roman phrase—“Nunc est celeritate.” Put together the saying is translated into English as “Time flies; Now is the time for swiftness”. A wise individual is cognizant of the fact that the future is promised to no one so as the Roman poet Horace wrote “Carpe diem!” (Seize the day!).
The story about Heronim/Herman leaving Europe to avoid conscription could very likely be true. Many young men took that route. There never was much of a future being canon fodder for the Czar. Local quotas were set and the unlucky individuals were selected by a sort of lottery. In order to leave the Russian Empire legally men of military age needed to produce evidence of completion of military or of exemption. Some men used another man’s papers and others bought forged papers and others hired “guides” to get them across the border while avoiding border checkpoints. Those seeking entry to the USA at the southern border could certainly relate. Those who left the Russian Empire over a century ago could certainly empathize with migrants seeking to enter the USA.
Anyway, as Forrest Gump liked to say “That is all I have to say about that.”
Vale! (Farewell)
Dave |
Dave,
Your kindness and encouragement are great to hear. You are correct time does fly. I am tracking everything through family tree app. So all the links and pictures I am trying to keep everything documented on the app so myself or other family members can see all the help you all have provided and not re duplicate some of the effort and amazing documents you all have unearthed.
Thanks for all the clarifications form the documents, to polish history, to maps, etc. I enjoy reading about hr different part so Poland. The history. The parishes. The “states” you described, all information I have read over much and many documents and photos I have saved for my own use and or sharing with my family
Thanks again for the all effort. Can’t thank you enough!
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BarbOsloPO Top Contributor
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:01 pm
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Hi,
Here are 2 new documents relating to your ancestors. It is a time-consuming job. There are no indexes on Genetyka, nor is there a summary at the end of each year. This means that you have to go page by page and read everything. I will search more when I have more time.
https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=pg&id=3175&se=&sy=1853&kt=1&plik=116-121.jpg&x=680&y=764&zoom=1.5
No.117
Konstancja Dudzińska's birth record. She was born on October 17th, 1853, in the village of Pogorzałki parish Dobrzyniewo Kościelne. Daughter of Maciej and Urszula nee Chilińska. Baptized on October 18.
-Barb
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:37 pm
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| BarbOslo wrote: | https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=pg&id=3175&se=&sy=1825&kt=1&plik=002.jpg&x=258&y=232&zoom=1.75
top left side
Urszula Wojtecka's birth record. She was baptized on October 28th, 1825, in the village of Malinowo parish Dobrzyniewo Kościelne. Daughter of Bartłomiej Wojtecki and Urszula nee Winnicka.
-Barb |
Hi all,
Attached is the marriage record of Bartłomiej Woytecki & Franciszka Winnicka. The date of the wedding was November 7. 1815. No ages or parents listed.
That’s all, folks.
Dave
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| BarbOslo wrote: | Hi,
Here are 2 new documents relating to your ancestors. It is a time-consuming job. There are no indexes on Genetyka, nor is there a summary at the end of each year. This means that you have to go page by page and read everything. I will search more when I have more time.
https://metryki.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=pg&id=3175&se=&sy=1853&kt=1&plik=116-121.jpg&x=680&y=764&zoom=1.5
No.117
Konstancja Dudzińska's birth record. She was born on October 17th, 1853, in the village of Pogorzałki parish Dobrzyniewo Kościelne. Daughter of Maciej and Urszula nee Chilińska. Baptized on October 18.
-Barb |
Barb , you and Sophia and Dave (and whoever else I missed. Apolgies if I did!) have done more than enough. Please bless another with family with your research skills. I’m so far beyond than I ever thought I would be. Thank you so much! I can’t wait to share with my family all that you have freely and graciously given to a stranger out of the kindness of your heart. Thank you for sharing your gift!. It’s heart warming.
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Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:30 pm
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Hello,
I have collected quite a bit of information and it is not easy to keep it in order. So I have built a loose branch in my family tree. I am sending you what I have found.
-Barb
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Hello!
I just wanted to say thank you. Some of my family have really enjoyed all the hard work you all put it to help make some connections. 1 easier question possibly and another not so easy one
1. On their 1930 census Herman and Kamila both listed that they immigrated to the united states in 1921. Kamilia has an Ellis Island record that shows her claearly immigrating in 1913 and that she listed Herman as the person she was going to see. Is that common they list the wrong date on a census? Is it possible they went back to Poland and then remigrated in 1921?
2. There are no immigration records for Herman. The oral family story was that Herman was fleeing possibly Russian army conscription (supposedly required for Polish households, they sent males to the Russian Army). Herman was born in 1882 near Rybacki is the assumption since his parents, siblings were all married / christened at the nearby catholic church. Herman was in the US before in or before 1913 since Kamila came to visit him in 1913 (if that helps put him in historic time frame to help possibly answer the question)
Thanks again for everything even if there are no more responses!
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:21 am
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| Dklepas wrote: |
2. There are no immigration records for Herman. The oral family story was that Herman was fleeing possibly Russian army conscription (supposedly required for Polish households, they sent males to the Russian Army). Herman was born in 1882 near Rybacki is the assumption since his parents, siblings were all married / christened at the nearby catholic church. Herman was in the US before in or before 1913 since Kamila came to visit him in 1913 (if that helps put him in historic time frame to help possibly answer the question)
Thanks again for everything even if there are no more responses! |
Hi Everyone,
I think I found the record. He is on line #1.
Regards,
Trish
Name Jeromin Klepacki (It looks like Hiermin)
Gender Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality Polish
Marital Status Single
Age 30
Birth Date abt 1882
Birth Place Russia
Other Birth Place Pbrobaski
Last Known Residence Brooklyn N. Y., U. S. A.
Departure Port Antwerp, Belgium
Arrival Date 13 Nov 1912
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place United States of America
Final Destination Brooklyn, New York
Height 5 Feet, 2 Inches
Hair Color Brown
Eye Color Blue
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession $40
Person in Old Country J. Klapacka (This could be a "T" insteda of a "J".)
Person in Old Country Relationship Mother
Person in Old Country Residence Abasbustej Grodno Gub
Person in US Jan Klepacky
Person in US Relationship Brother
Mother J. Klapacka (This could be a "T" instead of a "J".)
Sibling Jan Klepacky
Ship Name Vaderland
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Hello Trish!
This is very interesting. There are things that make me think this is Herman.
I think the town listed does look like Piotr is dads's home town
I think he listed T Klepacka (Not J) as mother
His age appears correct. Born in 1882
The thing that makes me think maybe not is he is listed a 5'2" in this but his WWII registration card, he is listed as 6'1". He also lists a sibling named Jan. As far as I know his only siblings from all the document this thread are Jozef, Klemens, Teresa. I don't see where "jan" is listed on this but I see it in the translation. I don't believe he had a brother named Jan?
This is a really cool document!
It's also odd that Kamila's (his wives) arrival date on her Ellis island record is the exact same date but New York instead of Brooklyn. I have no idea if that means this is more likely him or less! Kamila left from Rotterdam and if this is Herman he left from Belgium
I'm torn on what this document means!
Thanks for finding this. If anyone has any help interrupting the clues, I'd appreciate it!
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