Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:00 am
Post subject: a list of manors near Suwalki?
Maybe someone can help me? Are there any maps or lists of the manor houses in Poland, including the small ones? and the families who lived there? What were located near the city of Suwalki in the years 1800-1870? I ask because My great great grandmother Olga is from Suwalki. According to the document from the Estonian archive, he should have been born there in 1858. According to the stories, he came from a Polish manor, his father owned a manor there, which was said to be a manor in economic difficulties. In the Estonian archive, his father's name is indicated as pawel or paul. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the year when he moved to Estonia. The family name was Dubnicki. Father's name Pawel or Paul. Daughter Olga. Brother Alexander. From there, Olga moved to Estonia with a soldier of the Russian tsar's army. The time of the move is unknown. In 1878, they already lived in Estonia, in the town of Võru. There is no information about the place of birth, only that "suwalki". I am not aware of how the borders at that time (1870-1878) could run due to wars, so that a member of the opposite army solder could move to Estonia with Olga . that could it still be the city of Suwalki then?
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Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:31 am
Post subject: Re: a list of manors near Suwalki?
| Mart wrote: | | Maybe someone can help me? Are there any maps or lists of the manor houses in Poland, including the small ones? and the families who lived there? What were located near the city of Suwalki in the years 1800-1870? I ask because My great great grandmother Olga is from Suwalki. According to the document from the Estonian archive, he should have been born there in 1858. According to the stories, he came from a Polish manor, his father owned a manor there, which was said to be a manor in economic difficulties. In the Estonian archive, his father's name is indicated as pawel or paul. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find the year when he moved to Estonia. The family name was Dubnicki. Father's name Pawel or Paul. Daughter Olga. Brother Alexander. From there, Olga moved to Estonia with a soldier of the Russian tsar's army. The time of the move is unknown. In 1878, they already lived in Estonia, in the town of Võru. There is no information about the place of birth, only that "suwalki". I am not aware of how the borders at that time (1870-1878) could run due to wars, so that a member of the opposite army solder could move to Estonia with Olga . that could it still be the city of Suwalki then? |
Hi Mart,
There is a museum called The Museum of Suwalki, here is their website:
https://muzeum.suwalki.pl/
The museum sells a book which would probably provide good information for you. The book is "Dwory na Suwalszczyzie" which means "Manors in the Suwałki Region." It was written by Andrzej Matusiewicz. Look here and you will see "Spis dworów opisanych w książce" which means "list of manors described in the book" and the list has 90 manors, so surely the one you want is on this list:
https://muzeum.suwalki.pl/dwory-na-suwalszczyznie-3/
I tried looking at maps for you, but did not find good ones. I did see there is a village very close to Suwalki, called Dubowo. I do not know if there is any relationship between the name Dubnicki and the village of Dubowo. Anyway, here is one map that shows it. Look south from Suwalki:
https://polona.pl/item-view/ec426abd-35df-470d-a7d7-7cdad12cc9c8?page=0
I see on the map that the village of Dubowo is right next to Ustronie, and Ustronie is on the list of manors in the book. Maybe it is a place for you to start?
Good luck in your research.
Sophia
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Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:31 pm
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Mart, there are church records for a Dubnicki family in the Suwalki records, but they do not look like your family. I see baptism records for:
Augustyn Dubnicki in 1851
Otto Dubnicki in 1852
Amalia Olga Dubnicka in 1853
However, the father's name is Ludwik in all of these records.
I do not see your Olga, or her brother Aleksander in the baptism records. I do not see your Pawel in the marriage records.
Sophia
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:33 am
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| Sophia wrote: | Mart, there are church records for a Dubnicki family in the Suwalki records, but they do not look like your family. I see baptism records for:
Augustyn Dubnicki in 1851
Otto Dubnicki in 1852
Amalia Olga Dubnicka in 1853
However, the father's name is Ludwik in all of these records.
I do not see your Olga, or her brother Aleksander in the baptism records. I do not see your Pawel in the marriage records.
Sophia |
thanks for looking and helping. That now either the story is wrong or the family name is written or read incorrectly. I myself suspect that the family name was Dudnicki.
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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:29 am
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| Mart wrote: | | Sophia wrote: | Mart, there are church records for a Dubnicki family in the Suwalki records, but they do not look like your family. I see baptism records for:
Augustyn Dubnicki in 1851
Otto Dubnicki in 1852
Amalia Olga Dubnicka in 1853
However, the father's name is Ludwik in all of these records.
I do not see your Olga, or her brother Aleksander in the baptism records. I do not see your Pawel in the marriage records.
Sophia |
thanks for looking and helping. That now either the story is wrong or the family name is written or read incorrectly. I myself suspect that the family name was Dudnicki. |
Hi Mart,
The family story could still be correct. It depends on what church they attended. The records that I mentioned (Ludwik Dubnicki and his children) are all from Kościół ewangelicki in Suwałki which I looked at on the Family Search website. If there had been any Dudnicki, I would have seen them.
Family Search also has images of church books for Kościół prawosławny but these are "locked" so I cannot see them. You have to visit a Family Search Center, or hire someone to do that for you. The third choice is the Kościół rzymsko-katolicki and while these are also locked on the Family Search website, they are already indexed on Geneteka so I checked there. If you look at Geneteka, they have indexed the birth records for 1715 to 1913 and in those 200 years there is not one girl named Olga being baptized. I am guessing your family was not Roman Catholic.
I hope that you are able to find something through the Suwalki Museum.
Good luck,
Sophia
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2025 11:31 am
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at least the location of Suwalki is not a fairy tale. There is a photo of Olga's husband with the photographer's company printed on it.
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