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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:00 am
Post subject: Saloon at 680, N. Sangamon St., Chicago in 1915
One of my ancestors, Jan 'John' Bryjak and his family lived at 680, N. Sangamon Street, Chicago, when their daughter Helen Bryjak was born on 8 January 1915. Jan 'John' Bryjak was 32 years old at the time, his occupation was saloon owner at 680, N. Sangamon St., Chicago. Has anyone ever heard of a saloon at this address around 1915?
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:02 pm
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Thank you, Cheri! Interesting find! You are probably right, it looks like he didn't own the saloon any more in 1922. I don't know where he lived and what his occupation was in 1920 (can't find him, his wife Frances (Franciszka, née Cienkusz, and their five children in the 1920 Census).
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:47 pm
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| Ute wrote: | | Thank you, Cheri! Interesting find! You are probably right, it looks like he didn't own the saloon any more in 1922. I don't know where he lived and what his occupation was in 1920 (can't find him, his wife Frances (Franciszka, née Cienkusz, and their five children in the 1920 Census). |
Hi, Ute
Have you tried to find him using the family group option rather than by his name? (I mean Ancestry.com website).
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Ute,
I imagine you already have their marriage record from Family Search:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N742-TPG
And part of John's naturalization record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XKLF-Q1M
I found it interesting that one of his witnesses lived at 688 N. Sangamon. At the time of the naturalization, 1922, John lived at 624 N Curtis St. If I could find what Chicago Ward that was in in 1920, I could look up all the Johns in his age group at Heritage Quest, and see if his name was mangled in the census. He might have lived in that neighborhood in 1920.
Gilberto,
Could you please explain the family group option at Ancestry?
Thanks, Cheri
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UtePO Top Contributor
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:29 am
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| Cheri Vanden Berg wrote: | Ute,
I imagine you already have their marriage record from Family Search:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N742-TPG
And part of John's naturalization record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XKLF-Q1M
I found it interesting that one of his witnesses lived at 688 N. Sangamon. At the time of the naturalization, 1922, John lived at 624 N Curtis St. If I could find what Chicago Ward that was in in 1920, I could look up all the Johns in his age group at Heritage Quest, and see if his name was mangled in the census. He might have lived in that neighborhood in 1920.
Gilberto,
Could you please explain the family group option at Ancestry?
Thanks, Cheri |
Thank you, Cheri and Gilberto!
Gilberto, yes, please explain what the family group option at Ancestry is. I don't have a subscription to Ancestry, but if I remember correctly, I found part of the info listed below when I had free access to Ancestry for a few days.
Cheri, I have Jan Bryjak's marriage licence and church marriage record and saw the naturalization record you found with the 624 N Curtis address and the witness who lived at 688 N. Sangamon. However, I'm not sure if this is the Jan/John Bryjak I'm researching, because he was born on 10 Jan 1882 in Dlugopole, according the Ludzmierz parish records, and the date of birth given on the 1922 naturalization record is June 12, 1881. There were other Jan/John Bryjaks in this age group in the US that I found records for, but the dates of birth don't fit ...
Here is what I know about Jan/John Bryjak:
Father: Andrzej BRYJAK, Dlugopole
Mother: Anna KOWALKOWSKA, Dlugopole
Birth: 10 Jan 1882 in Dlugopole, Galicia, Austria (now Poland)
Known residences:
- 03 Mar 1905 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. On March 3, 1905 Magdalena Gawron from Dlugopole arrived at the port of Baltimore. Her destination in the US was Chicago where she was going to join an acquaintance by the name of Jan Bryjak who lived at 777, 17th Street at the time;
- 10 Jul 1907 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA. On July 10, 1907 Wiktorya Dlugopolska from Dlugopole arrived in the US. Her destination was Chicago where she was going to join a friend by the name Jan Bryjak who lived at 49, Kornelia Street at the time;
- 20 Oct 1908 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; On Oct 20, 1908 Jan Bryjak's brother Pjotr Bryjak arrived in the US. His destination was Chicago where he was going to join his brother Jan Bryjak who lived at 235, Huron Street at the time.
- 27 Oct 1913 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; Jan Bryjak and his family lived at 9426, Indiana Ave, Chicago, Ward 9, when their son Boleslaw Bryjak died on 27 Oct 1913.
- 08 Jan 1915 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; Jan Bryjak and his family lived at 680, N. Sangamon Street, Chicago when their daughter Helen Bryjak was born on 08 Jan 1915. His occupation was saloon owner at 680, N. Sangamon Street.
Marriage License: Issued on 01 Feb 1905 in Chicago at the office of Peter B. Olsen, County Clerk of Cook County and the Seat thereof, Chicago, Cook, IL, USA;
Church Marriage: Married on 14 Feb 1905 by the Roman Catholic Priest Casimir Gronkowski at St. Adalbert Church, 1650, W. 17th St., Chicago. Marriage witnesses were Michaele Sander and Rosalia Cienkusz.
Children:
Anna F. BRYJAK, born abt. 1907 in Chicago, died Jul 1974;
Edward F. BRYJAK, born Mar 1908 in Chicago, died Feb 1993;
Joseph Albert BRYJAK, born Aug. 1910 in Chicago, died May 1992;
Boleslaw BRYJAK, born Apr 1913 in Chicago, died Oct 1913;
Helen 'Ellen' Anne BRYJAK, born Jan 1915 in Chicago, died Mar 1990
Baby BRYJAK, born Aug 1921 in Chicago, died Aug 1921 in Chicago.
I don't know when and where Jan 'John' Bryjak died. His wife Franciszka Cienkusz-Bryjak died on 23 Oct 1948 and is buried at St. Adalbert Cemetery, Niles, IL. I found her obituary that lists her husband John (not the LATE John) and their four children Anna (married name Heckendorf), Edward, Joseph, and Ellen (Helen, married name Kreske) as well as two brothers Joseph and Matthew Cienkusz as remaining family members.
PS: I just found the Jan Bryjak family with their four surviving children in the 1920 (Ward 17), 1930, and 1940 Census at familysearch:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJQ9-C9D#
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSPY-92L
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-27866-12339-91?cc=2000219&wc=MMYC-BMY:n552889976
It seems they changed their name to BREYAK. Unfortunately, the 1920 and 1930 images are available at Ancestry.com only. I can't see which street they lived at in 1920 and 1930 and what Jan's occupation was. In 1940 Frances Bryjak and her daughter Helen lived at 4854, W Byron St., Chicago. Frances is head of the household. Not sure where Jan Bryjak was at the time an if they were still married.
And finally I also found his date of death and last residence: He died October 1966 at age 84, his last residence was Hazel Crest, Cook County, Illinois, 60429. He is indexed as 'John Breyak' with the correct date of birth (10 January 1882, which is in line with the Ludzmierz parish records): https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J1DM-JQ9
I'm so glad that I finally found him!
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:37 pm
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Cheri and Ute,
The family group option at Ancestry.com allows the researcher to search for the whole family (you can add as much names and relationship as you want). This is specially helpful when looking for people with very common names, say, a Jan married to a Franciszka. In a example like this, you should inclued their children's names, for example, Petronella, Jedrzej and Boguslaw. Though one can find thousands of Jan + Franciszka, it will be less likely that there will two Jan + Franciszka with children with the same names as in the family you are looking for. See image attached.
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Ute wrote: PS: I just found the Jan Bryjak family with their four surviving children in the 1920 (Ward 17), 1930, and 1940 Census at familysearch
Ute~ I’ve downloaded the images of the 1920 and 1930 census for John Breyak and family. I can send you the images (JPG format) via email. Send me a PM with your address.
Alternate name on the Ancestry record in 1920 is Joan Breysk, could have been originally indexed this way maybe. They were living at 656 Curtis St. in Chicago (17th ward) renting, John was a moulder at an iron works and Frances was a waitress at the telephone company. Four children Anna, Edward, Joe, and Helen.
Found in 1930. They’re living at 5752 Ainslie St. (41st ward of Chicago) – they’re owners and have a family renting in the same building. John came in 1901, works as a moulder at a foundry. Frances came 1904 and is a cook at the telephone co. It appears Anna is divorced and works as an office clerk at the telephone co. Edward works as an office clerk at the Post Office. Joe works as an assembler at an electric co. and Helen is in school.
That is curious that in 1940 we can only find Frances and Helen. I can’t find the guys on Ancestry either – tried Breyak and Bryjak (and Ancestry gives you lots of other spelling results) and enter birth date and location info too to narrow down the results. Wonder what happened to the boys and father? Frances says she was living at that address in 1935. Perhaps during the depression they lost the house and John and the boys went somewhere else to work? ~PL
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:39 pm
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| PolishLibrarian wrote: |
That is curious that in 1940 we can only find Frances and Helen. I can’t find the guys on Ancestry either – tried Breyak and Bryjak (and Ancestry gives you lots of other spelling results) and enter birth date and location info too to narrow down the results. Wonder what happened to the boys and father? Frances says she was living at that address in 1935. Perhaps during the depression they lost the house and John and the boys went somewhere else to work? ~PL |
I have a case like this in 1930 Census. I could find mother and one child, but the other two children were not listed, nor even in the next page. They were not living with their father, either (the couple was no longer living together).
Gilberto
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Ute~ I have now have Jan Breyak’s 1942 WWII draft registration image downloaded. He and Frances were living at 175th and Fisk Ave. East Hazel Crest, Cook, Illinois. His date of birth is Jan. 10, 1882 and he was working at the Greenlee Foundry at 14th St. in Cicero, Illinois.
Can you find obituaries for John or Frances? It does appear they weren’t divorced in 1940, so they may have been separated for economic reasons (employment elsewhere) or maybe they split up for some other reason and then got back together. On the 1940 Census, the M indicating married has been later crossed out with the number 1 or 7 written above (also on other records on that page - wonder what it signifies)
Also of note – on Ancestry the manifest for the ship Chemnitz arriving at the Port of Baltimore on Mar. 5, 1905 (departed Bremen Feb. 16, 1905) lists 4 people from Dlugopola going to Jan Bryjak at 777, 17th St. Chicago.
The first is Jozef Wesoly, single, age 29, laborer going to acqn [acquaintance] J. B.
The second is Jedrzej Bobek, married, age 28 going to Br-in-l J. B.
The third is Magdel Gawron, single, age 17, going to ditto (that would br-in-law) J.B. [note made later – J. B. is Uncle].
The fourth is Jozef Gawron, married, age 2(or could be 3)9, going to ditto J.B. [notes made later – Jozef is 39, Magdel’s father, going to br-in-law)
The question now is who makes Jozef Gawron and Jan Bryjak brothers in law? By the time the Gawron’s departed Bremen, Jan was married to Frances by 2 days. So Jozef could definitely be married to Jan’s sister, or possibly Jozef could be married to Frances’s sister. And the same could be said for Jedrzej Bobek. ~PL
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:08 am
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| PolishLibrarian wrote: | Ute~ I have now have Jan Breyak’s 1942 WWII draft registration image downloaded. He and Frances were living at 175th and Fisk Ave. East Hazel Crest, Cook, Illinois. His date of birth is Jan. 10, 1882 and he was working at the Greenlee Foundry at 14th St. in Cicero, Illinois.
Can you find obituaries for John or Frances? It does appear they weren’t divorced in 1940, so they may have been separated for economic reasons (employment elsewhere) or maybe they split up for some other reason and then got back together. On the 1940 Census, the M indicating married has been later crossed out with the number 1 or 7 written above (also on other records on that page - wonder what it signifies)
Also of note – on Ancestry the manifest for the ship Chemnitz arriving at the Port of Baltimore on Mar. 5, 1905 (departed Bremen Feb. 16, 1905) lists 4 people from Dlugopola going to Jan Bryjak at 777, 17th St. Chicago.
The first is Jozef Wesoly, single, age 29, laborer going to acqn [acquaintance] J. B.
The second is Jedrzej Bobek, married, age 28 going to Br-in-l J. B.
The third is Magdel Gawron, single, age 17, going to ditto (that would br-in-law) J.B. [note made later – J. B. is Uncle].
The fourth is Jozef Gawron, married, age 2(or could be 3)9, going to ditto J.B. [notes made later – Jozef is 39, Magdel’s father, going to br-in-law)
The question now is who makes Jozef Gawron and Jan Bryjak brothers in law? By the time the Gawron’s departed Bremen, Jan was married to Frances by 2 days. So Jozef could definitely be married to Jan’s sister, or possibly Jozef could be married to Frances’s sister. And the same could be said for Jedrzej Bobek. ~PL |
PolishLibrarian,
Thank you for all the information and the records you found -- I really appreciate your taking the time to help me. I think I can answer the question about Jozef Gawron and Jan Bryjak being 'brothers-in-law'. Jozef Gawron's daughter Magdalena married Jan Bryjak's brother Pjotr Bryjak five months after their arrival in the US. Magdalena is another unsolved mystery in my family research. Here is what I know about her:
She traveled to the United States on board the steamship 'Chemnitz' that left Bremen, Germany on February 16, 1905 and arrived at the port of Baltimore, Maryland on March 03, 1905 [Source: Baltimore Passenger Lists, 1820-1948. Microfilm Roll Number 45, p. 41.] She was 17 years old at the time, single, able to read and write, her occupation was maid/servant, her destination was Chicago where she was going to join an acquaintance by the name of Jan Bryjak who lived at 777, 17th Street at the time. She was accompanied by her father, Jozef Gawron, 39 years old, married, laborer; Maciej Kowalkowski, 44 years old, married, laborer; Jedrzej Kowalkowski, 29 years old, married, laborer; Jozef Wesoty or Wesely, 30 years old, single, laborer; and Jedrzej Bobek, 28 years old, married, laborer, all from the village Dlugopole.
Five months later, on 17 Oct 1905, Magdalena Gawron married Jan Bryjak's brother Pjotr 'Peter' Bryjak at St. Adalbert Church, Chicago. Jozef Wesoty or Wesely who had accompanied them when they travelled to the US in March 1905 was one of their marriage witnesses. However, it is unknown what happened to Magdalena Gawron. One year later, on May 8, 1906, Pjotr 'Peter' Bryjak married a second time at St. Adalbert Church, Chicago. His second wife was Rozalia Matya, daughter of Jan Matyja and Agnieszka (Agnes) Las, b abt. 1884 in Odrowasz. They stayed together and had 10 children between 1909 and 1920.
Re: Can you find obituaries for John or Frances? - I found Frances' obituary of Oct. 23, 1948 that says ' beloved wife of John' ... His obituary I cannot find. I just found out yesterday that he died Oct 1966 and that his last residence was Hazel Crest, IL. I assume he lived with or near his brother Jozef 'Joe' Bryjak, b 08 Dec 1893 in Dlugopole, married to Aniela (Angeline) Kwak from Wroblowka, died March 1971 in Hazel Crest, IL.)
Re: On the 1940 Census, the M indicating married has been later crossed out with the number 1 or 7 written above (also on other records on that page - wonder what it signifies) -- I've seen that and was also wondering what it means.
Thank you so much again. I'll PM you my e-mail address later.
Ute
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:18 am
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| Magroski49 wrote: | Cheri and Ute,
The family group option at Ancestry.com allows the researcher to search for the whole family (you can add as much names and relationship as you want). This is specially helpful when looking for people with very common names, say, a Jan married to a Franciszka. In a example like this, you should inclued their children's names, for example, Petronella, Jedrzej and Boguslaw. Though one can find thousands of Jan + Franciszka, it will be less likely that there will two Jan + Franciszka with children with the same names as in the family you are looking for. See image attached.
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Gilberto,
Thank you very much for explaining the family group option at Ancestry to us. I don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com at the moment, but I'll keep that option in mind, it may be helpful one day.
Ute
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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:56 am
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Ute~ On Feb. 2 you wrote "20 Oct 1908 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; On Oct 20, 1908 Jan Bryjak's brother Pjotr Bryjak arrived in the US. His destination was Chicago where he was going to join his brother Jan Bryjak who lived at 235, Huron Street at the time."
How could Magdel have married Pjotr on Oct. 17, 1905 at St. Adalbert's if he arrived in 1908? (or did he go back to Poland for a visit & return in 1908?). [Magdel married in Oct. 1905...and then Pjotr married again 7 months later in May 1906 - that does seem unusual]. Also the corrections on the manifest indicate that Jan was Magdel's uncle (that would not be the relationship if Magdel married Pjotr) and Magdel's father was the br-in-l. I suspect the person doing the manifest knew the 4 were traveling together and just put dittos under the Bobek entry for relationship (br.-in-l), name & address of person going to just to save time. Then someone else made the correction when determined there was mistake. I noticed the Kowalkolski's at the top of the manifest but didn't mention them because they weren't grouped with the other 4, although obviously from such a small village, they would have known each other.
Sorry, when I posted I had forgoten you said you'd found Frances's obituary in 1948 that indicated she was survived by her husband. John & Frances were living in E. Hazel Crest in 1940 and he was still there when he died, so yes they could have been living close to his brother. I thought it interesting that it was a bit of trip to get to work from E. Hazel Crest to Cicero. Have you been able to find out what happened to the two sons Joe and Edward (I couldn't find them in the 1940 census) besides their death dates which you noted earlier? ~PL
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Just another clue - on FamilySearch in the Cook County Birth Certificates on July 13 1916 a Magdalena Gawron (age 39 - but probably should be 29) and John Lipke had a son Richard Lipke and on Feb. 23, 1920 Magdalena Gawron (age 34) and John Lippke had a son Robert George Lippke. If she's 34 in 1920 she would have been 19 in 1905 on arrival - pretty close. Or there was another Magdel Gawron living in Chicago. ~PL
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| PolishLibrarian wrote: | Ute~ On Feb. 2 you wrote "20 Oct 1908 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; On Oct 20, 1908 Jan Bryjak's brother Pjotr Bryjak arrived in the US. His destination was Chicago where he was going to join his brother Jan Bryjak who lived at 235, Huron Street at the time."
How could Magdel have married Pjotr on Oct. 17, 1905 at St. Adalbert's if he arrived in 1908? (or did he go back to Poland for a visit & return in 1908?). [Magdel married in Oct. 1905...and then Pjotr married again 7 months later in May 1906 - that does seem unusual]. Also the corrections on the manifest indicate that Jan was Magdel's uncle (that would not be the relationship if Magdel married Pjotr) and Magdel's father was the br-in-l. I suspect the person doing the manifest knew the 4 were traveling together and just put dittos under the Bobek entry for relationship (br.-in-l), name & address of person going to just to save time. Then someone else made the correction when determined there was mistake. I noticed the Kowalkolski's at the top of the manifest but didn't mention them because they weren't grouped with the other 4, although obviously from such a small village, they would have known each other.
Sorry, when I posted I had forgoten you said you'd found Frances's obituary in 1948 that indicated she was survived by her husband. John & Frances were living in E. Hazel Crest in 1940 and he was still there when he died, so yes they could have been living close to his brother. I thought it interesting that it was a bit of trip to get to work from E. Hazel Crest to Cicero. Have you been able to find out what happened to the two sons Joe and Edward (I couldn't find them in the 1940 census) besides their death dates which you noted earlier? ~PL |
PolishLibrarian,
The 1908 trip was Pjotr/Peter Bryjak's second or even third trip to the US. He traveled to the US for the first time on board of the steamship ‘Albano’ that left Hamburg on March 31, 1903 and arrived in New York on April 15, 1903. He was 18 years old at the time, single, occupation laborer, Austria/Polish. He was accompanied by Mateusz Jakubiec from Dlugopole, 19 years, old, occupation laborer. They were both headed to Hastings, PA where they were going to join [illegible] Ludwik Gal.
He must have returned to Poland and come back to the US on Oct. 10, 1908 to join his brother Jan Bryjak at 235 Huron Street, Chicago. In Oct 1908 he was married (to Rose), 24 years old, farm laborer, he indicated that he had been in the US before in 1903 and 1908 [?], and that his last residence abroad was with his wife Rozalia Bryjak in Odrowacz-Dlugopole.
As to the marriages: I found it very unusal also that Peter remarried seven months after his first marriage, even at the same church, but I have both of his church marriage records, the 1905 record to Magdalena Gawron and the 1906 record to Rozalia Matyja, and in both records his parents' names are Andrew Bryjak and Anna Kowalkowska which is in line with the Ludzmierz parish records I have for him. So I assume his marriage to Magdalena Gawron failed for some reason and Peter married Rose Matyja and Magdalena Gawron may have marrried the John Lippke you found [I didn't know about the connection between Magdalena Gawron and John Lippke, I always wondered what happened to her.] Unusual for that time, but it seems it happened. I have another couple in my family tree that split after a short marriage and she remarried in another Chicago Catholic church not too long after her first marriage.
Re: Have you been able to find out what happened to the two sons Joe and Edward (I couldn't find them in the 1940 census) besides their death dates which you noted earlier? -- No, I haven't found them yet, but I'll keep looking and I'll add all the new information and the records you sent me to my family tree. Thank you so much for all your help, I really appreciate it!
Ute
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